AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #2

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Truth in the lies.

Could it be that Tylee witnessed the altercation, Alex attacked CV and Tylee, in an unthinkable position, hit Alex with the bat to stop him from attacking her dad, LVD sends Tylee outside, Alex shoots CV, and Alex or LVD fire the final shot, before they begin constructing a new narrative and LVD begins (continues) her campaign to control everyone involved, especially Tylee? We can imagine how gaslit she was, LVD probably made her to think she (Tylee) was responsible, in order to force her silence.

So much ugly.

JMO
Reportedly Tylee and Charles didn't get along, which could be partly due to her being a teenager. That would make Tylee more likely to side with her fun uncle Alex against her stepfather. Lori had a way of turning everybody against Charles. I wonder if Tylee bought that Charles was a zombie or at least though he was the bad guy in the situation. IMO she had no clue what was coming to her later. She thought that she would be protected by her mother and uncle if she supported their story. Lori's parents also considered Charles to be at fault in his death. We'll see if and how they testify in Lori's favor.
 
I don't believe that LVD will take the stand and testify.
She'll use closing telling the jury that she proved to them her innocence blah, blah.


If she did though as a "pro-se" defendant after the prosecutor is done with their direct how is cross done?
 
How was this not investigated immediately? LVD provides mountains of motive, laughs and makes light of the details, can't provide credible dialogue, two men on the floor, grappling for a baseball bat, one a minor leaguer, and nothing is disturbed?

FWIW I think LVD made Tylee think it was her fault and she'd go to prison if she told the truth, scared her into compliance.

FWIW, LVD was the SOURCE of the tension between CV and Tylee. A kind of triangulation. Purposeful, diabolical. CV likely could do nothing right because LVD was always setting him up.



FWIW LVD forgot to fake some emotion. Even if it was self-defense, which it wasn't, a normal person would feel remorse, that it came to that. It's still the father of the son they were raising together.

More like $elf-defen$e. She clearly intended to profit off his loss.

Goddess, no. Puppet-master, yes. She controlled the entire chain of events.

And what caused the battle that day, LVD took CV's phone. She says he was chafing her with a bat and she didn't think to toss him the phone, so he'd stop charging at her? Oh, that's right. It didn't happen like that. If CV ever had that bat and swung at anyone, it rigid have been skull crushing, not that I believe he would have. It just shows how not credible LVD's story is.

I'm translate for her. Forget conscience-less, she's soul-less.

JMO
 
sorry but I have not been following this trial- can anyone tell me why LVD decided to represent herself?
In the television interviews she participated in immediately before trial, LVD told the interviewers that she knows her case better than her lawyers can know it without taking years to learn and she wants a speedy trial.

She also said that she is smart and, having been exposed to court proceedings before, has observed several very good attorneys in action and learned from that. (By past court proceedings, I presume she meant her trial in Idaho and past court proceedings relating to divorce/custody from past husbands).

IMO, I think it likely she knew (or hoped) she'd be granted wider latitude in her motions and argument of same, opening statement, questions of witnesses, and closing statement than a trained attorney would be. And she has managed to get some of her own testimony in through the formation of some of her questions and through brief comments and opinions she has expressed after witnesses have responded to her questions. The State has increasingly objected to those and the judge has sustained those objections as well as instructed LVD to stop the commentary/opinions.
 
BBM:
Your theories sound quite feasible.
The burdens and lies that Tylee carried protecting the evil 3 had to have been unbearable.
Plus she went through AC attacking her father JR then her dad dying.
Has it been confirmed that she was sent to live with AC at one point?
Yes, LVD knew exactly how to deeply wound KW for the rest of her life.
I doubt the actual taking the life of JJ, an innocent little boy was even an afterthought for LVD.

IMO:
Tylee said in her interview after CV’s death that she got the bat so she keep it in her room so she could feel safe when she lived with AC. No one asked her more about that but it made me shudder to think of the hideous things she had to deal with in her short life.
 
Truth in the lies.

Could it be that Tylee witnessed the altercation, Alex attacked CV and Tylee, in an unthinkable position, hit Alex with the bat to stop him from attacking her dad, LVD sends Tylee outside, Alex shoots CV, and Alex or LVD fire the final shot, before they begin constructing a new narrative and LVD begins (continues) her campaign to control everyone involved, especially Tylee? We can imagine how gaslit she was, LVD probably made her to think she (Tylee) was responsible, in order to force her silence.

So much ugly.

JMO
Interesting theory but for me the fact that there was no blood on AC’s gun or anywhere makes me think AC inflicted that head would at some point after LVD & Tylee left. I mean the first thing you do when you are injured or cut or whatever is reach up and touch it and then you get blood from your hand on whatever you touch next. Not to mention that it seems to me if you’re hit in the head hard enough to draw blood there would be some on the barrel of the bat or spatter on the wall or floor or something. I don’t think he was hit with at all but used something to injure himself and cleaned it up before he ever called 911.
 
sorry but I have not been following this trial- can anyone tell me why LVD decided to represent herself?
I think it all boiled down to her thinking having her speedy trial would some how benefit her. I don’t think any of her attorneys would agree to represent her without asking for a continuance to properly subpoena witnesses and to go over all of the discovery and such. If fact she said in her interview with the lady reporter that “they” all wanted to ask for a continuance and she didn’t want to.
 
Interesting theory but for me the fact that there was no blood on AC’s gun or anywhere makes me think AC inflicted that head would at some point after LVD & Tylee left. I mean the first thing you do when you are injured or cut or whatever is reach up and touch it and then you get blood from your hand on whatever you touch next. Not to mention that it seems to me if you’re hit in the head hard enough to draw blood there would be some on the barrel of the bat or spatter on the wall or floor or something. I don’t think he was hit with at all but used something to injure himself and cleaned it up before he ever called 911.
(I should have said 'stepdad'.)

You're right -- most likely AC injured his own head, right before he called 911. Doh.

I'm mostly wondering what horrible control did LVD hold over Tylee to make sure Tylee would tell the story LVD crafted.

She sucks the life out of everyone around her.

She's like a virus. Everyone around her ends up dead.

JMO
 
(I should have said 'stepdad'.)

You're right -- most likely AC injured his own head, right before he called 911. Doh.

I'm mostly wondering what horrible control did LVD hold over Tylee to make sure Tylee would tell the story LVD crafted.

She sucks the life out of everyone around her.

She's like a virus. Everyone around her ends up dead.

JMO
Tylee grew up in Lori world. Third parties from friends to social workers to police all commented on the fact that when things were kicking off between Lori and any of her partners, Tylee just seemed unbothered. Even when there had been screaming and violence. She grew up with her mother's disordered relationships and wild ideas. She wasn't shielded from all the cult stuff, she was immersed in it. And yes, she was a teenager, and yes, she butted heads with her at times, but there's plenty out there to suggest that she loved her mother and did her best to please her and tell anyone asking questions exactly what Lori wanted her to tell them. She'd been doing it since she was two or three years old. She said what she was told to say, she accepted her disordered, chaotic and unsettled life, she basically parented JJ when Lori had no patience for the 'drug baby', as Lori openly called him to friends and strangers alike, and she in all likelihood died not having done anything that could be considered going against Lori except exist.

She died as a dutiful daughter, who only a week before had seen her life uprooted yet again, had taken another of her deep breaths, wiped her tears and followed her mother to Rexburg.

MOO
 
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Tylee grew up in Lori world. Third parties from friends to social workers to police all commented on the fact that when things were kicking off between Lori and any of her partners, Tylee just seemed unbothered. Even when there had been screaming and violence. She grew up with her mother's disordered relationships and wild ideas. She wasn't shielded from all the cult stuff, she was immersed in it. And yes, she was a teenager, and yes, she butted heads with her at times, but there's plenty out there to suggest that she loved her mother and did her best to please her and tell anyone asking questions exactly what Lori wanted her to tell them. She'd been doing it since she was two or three years old. She said what she was told to say, she accepted her disordered, chaotic and unsettled life, she basically parented JJ when Lori had no patience for the 'drug baby', as she openly called him to friends and strangers alike, and she in all likelihood died not having done anything that could be considered going against Lori except exist.

She died as a dutiful daughter, who only a week before had seen her life uprooted yet again, had taken another of her deep breaths, wiped her tears and followed her mother to Rexburg.

MOO
“Like” wasn’t enough response. This is an excellent post about the Lori-Tylee dynamic.

Lori was squeezing the life out of Tylee long before Tylee took her last breath.
 
Tylee said in her interview after CV’s death that she got the bat so she keep it in her room so she could feel safe when she lived with AC. No one asked her more about that but it made me shudder to think of the hideous things she had to deal with in her short life.
I missed the part about why TR kept a bat in her room.

AC's ex-wife said that he slept with a 15 yr old girl and it sounded like the family knew about this yet LVD sent her daughter to live with him.
Talk about LE's complete incompetence.
Had the children not been killed LVD, CD & AC most likely would have gotten away with the murders of TD & CV.
IMO:

 
This seems so trivial after the last couple posts, but did anyone else catch the following from Kay’s testimony?

When Lori showed up at the house when Kay was helping CV load up the house contents to move to Houston, Lori verbally attacked CV for a bit in front of Kay and then CV and Lori went into the bedroom for further discussion. Lori subsequently came out and Kay expressed her regret that “all of this” was happening and Lori said, “I love you KayKay.”

Reminded me of Alex Murdaugh and his “PawPaw” and “RoRo” testimony.

What is it with murderous sociopaths and their infantilizing of the names of those around them?
 
Anyone know for certain if Melanie Gibb was ever given any type of immunity?

I'm totally disgusted watching her flighty, giggling, flirtatious.pointing the finger at other's behavior in her 4-30-21 LE interview.

 
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