AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #2

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I highly doubt the jurors are eating lunch with everyone around them...much less the media folk.

I've sat on a few juries for very insignificant charges and we always ate in the jury room with our lunch delivered...with no choice in the matter.
Both Lauren @ Hidden True Crime and Tammy's Aunt Vicky both heard that the jurors eat lunch in the cafeteria.
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Lauren starts @ 26:15 curious why the jurors aren't asking where the children are and it goes from there for a few minutes to what they both heard about jurors eating in the cafeteria.
Who knows but since the jurors can have their cell phones with them I think anything is possible..
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I think the state should have brought up what Adam says in this police interview about how Alex going on vacation for a week only to stay at home was very strange. Adam said that when Alex went on vacation he'd usually liked to go to Columbia for prostitutes. Also how it was weird that Alex spent the night instead of just coming over the next day since he lived so close.

Adam says here a lot of the same stuff he testified to. The LE here is very receptive to Adam's suspicions and had lots of the same questions.

I would love to hear from someone in that department explain why they never brought a case till later.

 
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IMO, most people are just looking for friends. Evidently, she and Lori clicked. IMO, it's extremely rare for people to scrutinize and be critical of their new best friend. It's all about mutual liking, sharing and support, and you must drop any negative, judgemental thoughts about that person, because you won't stay friends if you are suspicious of them.

JMO
She'd known Chad since 2017, and Lori since 2018. That's beyond the 'new best friend' stage, IMO.

EDIT: Source for dates - Melanie Gibb, Lori’s former best friend takes stand in Chad’s murder trial

MOO
 
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I agree that she was in denial about Charles and had no idea about JJ. But how much of denial about Charles and how much she just chose not to ask questions even in her own brain, I don't know. I go back and forth.

Charles came to her when he was frightened and trying to get help for Lori, get help for the kids. And she did nothing. She's insistent that she never fully bought in to the beliefs, but I don't think she's being truthful about that. I think she did buy in, and that's why Charles' pleading had no effect on her. She tuned him out, because Lori and Chad told her to. But she knows it looks bad, so she denies it.

She got a limited immunity agreement for her testimony. Why did she need that if she did nothing? The only other case I've followed where someone got that was Wendi Adelson.

I think she had opportunities to speak out and maybe if she had, it would prevented some of the bloodshed that happened, but she chose not to.

MOO
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Shades of Paige Hanah who emerged after the Franke/Hilderbrandt tragedy and made a few videos trying to distance herself from both gals and played stupid to what she knew and kept quiet about.
 
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Nate Eaton reported the jurors do not eat together. In fact, he stated he had to be careful while doing his live YouTube show that no jurors were within earshot. Apparently, it was a real concern.


MOO
Wow they do it different down there in Arizona. A tainted jury seems to be the fear in most states. Might explain the Jodi Arias verdict then.

Glad I live in Idaho where juries are sequestered and convicted her and her murdering husband Chad.
 
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I don't know if this has been posted.

Charles Vallow's landlord talks to police after Charles is shot and killed​

 
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Larry Woodcock responds to Kay's "oh boy" and your reaction to trial​


 
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I know that everyone here will agree that KW showed tremendous control and restraint giving testimony. Especially having gone through the first trial. Lvd took so much from this women and I know if it were me I don't know if I would have had the strength. This is JMO but I think Tylee was killed because she knew to much. I think JJ was killed as a get back at KW because of the insurance money and as away to hurt Kay because of it. The only people who had dark evil spirits were
LDV,CD,AC.JMHO.
 
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She'd known Chad since 2017, and Lori since 2018. That's beyond the 'new best friend' stage, IMO.

EDIT: Source for dates - Melanie Gibb, Lori’s former best friend takes stand in Chad’s murder trial

MOO
I’m not trying to be MG’s defender but I just don’t see her level of involvement the way most do.

I think sometimes we forget how much of the time MG & LVD lived in separate towns and states. Yes they did click quickly and apparently spent a lot of tie together while LVD lived in Gilbert and even some while she was in Chandler but…

They met in Oct 2018. A little over 3 months later was LVDs nutty with cancelling CVs flight, moving and hiding his truck, CV taking LVD’s phone & keys from the car, and CV’s attempt to talk with LVD by using LVD’’s phone to call her. During that 3 or 3 1/2 months besides telling MG & others that CV had been taken over by an evil spirit named Ned, LVD was also telling MG that CV was cheating on her - she told her family the same thing. MG was dealing with her own family issues and that’s part of the reason they clicked.

And remember that MG looked to JM as a leader and he had “introduced” MG to LVD. Remember that MG was and is a follower. She questioned LVD about hiding CVs truck & getting rid of his stuff - but she followed her lead. And when CV called her from LVDs phone and she thought all of it was too nutty and didn’t know what to do, she chased down JM who she saw as a leader and asked him. JM advised her to advise LVD to go to police. She did & they went.

I don’t recall the exact timing but within the next month or two I think, LVD disappeared for 58 days - part of the time at AC’s and the rest in Hawaii. After she returned she went to TX for a while - the best I can recall was this was a couple of months. Then she returned to AZ to Chandler to put JJ in a summer program at his school.

So after MG met LVD, she was in Gilbert only a few months then at ACs and then she went to Hawaii and then she went to TX. MG met LVD 9 months before CV was murdered but they only lived in the same town for about 3 1/2 months. True Chandler & Gilbert are not that far away but they weren’t spending as much time together when LVD was at ACs or in Hawaii or in TX - though I think I recall MG making a trip to TX to visit but I could be mistaken about that. And LVD left AZ about 6 weeks or so after CV died.

So I think their “best friend stage” was shorter than most realize. And remember MG was involved with DW by the time LVD moved back from TX to AZ which would have also limited her time with LVD. I’m not sure I think they were ever as close as the media portrayed and remember ZP was at the infamous pool party while LVD didn’t even tell MG that CV was dead until several days after it happened.

I just don’t see the level of involvement that most attribute to MG. I cannot say the same for ZP or MBP - they seem to be more on the inside of LVD’s circle than MG does except for that first few months of their relationship when LVD was living in Gilbert.

MOO
 
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