AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

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As she's being checked out, she separates the red and blue flip flops, then what does she do (with them)? I slowed the video down to .25x speed. At the register, it looks like her toes are covered. With black. Socks? Cheaters? Does she drop the flip flops to the floor? Step into them as she goes to leave?
 
First, it was my understanding that LVD told Detective CY that Charles had taken JJ to the car with his backpack and left his phone inside the kitchen on the counter and that - after CV returned to retrieve his phone and Tylee had come out with bat and Charles had taken it from her - Lori had then urged Tylee to go out to the car with JJ. (That is, Tylee was not the one who originally took JJ to the car according to Lori.)

Timeline of Charles' phone from today's testimony:

CV’s phone arrives at Lori’s house at 7:31 and at 7:37 Charles is texting Lori’s brother Adam (based on Adam's testimony, this was to let him know that Alex is at the house and they together assume that “something is up.”)

Between 7:37 and 7:49, Charles’ phone is “in the area of” the rental house where Lori was living.

(My notes: So 12 minutes for all the following to happen: Charles gets out of his rental car, which he leaves running, knocks at door and comes inside into kitchen area, leaves his phone on counter, gets JJ and his backpack and Lori tells him that he will need to get JJ breakfast and that school gate doesn’t open until around 8:20, loads JJ and his backpack into the rental car, goes back into the home to retrieve his phone, has reported conflict involving Lori keeping his phone away from him, for Tylee to come out of her bedroom with bat, for CV to threaten Tylee with bat and to come after Lori backward swinging the bat, for Alex to grapple with CV and bat and become injured on back of his head, for Alex to go to his bedroom to retrieve his loaded gun – and, what is Charles doing, twiddling his thumbs while Alex goes back to the bedroom to get a gun? -- , for Tylee to go out to the car where she hears the shot, for Lori to join her there and ask that Tylee go inside for Lori’s purse, and for Lori to depart with JJ, and Tylee - and possibly JJ's dog - in the car).

At 7:50 Charles’ cellphone leaves the area of the house (Lori drives away in Charles’ rental car).

At 7:52, Alex calls Lori on her own phone.

At 7:54 Lori is on camera at Burger King drive up window, where she purchases Chicken Fries and a small Sprite for breakfast for JJ (and it looks like chicken nuggets for likely Tylee). Receipt time 7:56 am. Phone travels north from Burger King.

At 8:06 am, Alex calls Lori on her own phone.

At 8:16 am, Lori arrives at Walgreen’s on Cooper Rd.

At 8:17, Lori is seen on surveillance walking into Walgreen’s to purchase two pair of flip-flops (one for herself, one for Tylee). Transaction complete at 8:20 am. Phone heads south.

At 8:33, phone arrives at LIFE academy where JJ goes to school. (8:35 is when 911 call is placed by Alex – that is he waited until LVD was in a place where she can be seen by others, i.e. not at the home where CV was shot).

At 8:49, CV’s phone – traveling south - returns to the neighborhood, “in the area of” the home. Approx 8:48 police body cam video on and Lori’s arrival at scene is seen.

Various times indicating Lori was transported to the Chandler PD Family Advocacy Center (where she was interviewed) and then was transported back to the area of the home – arriving in the “noon hour” (where she, AC, and TR then left in the rental car because the house and Alex’s, Lori’s, and Tylee’s vehicles were all subject to search warrant).

Charles’, Alex’s, and Lori’s phones all in the area of Alex’s house between 1:42 and 2:07 pm. Lori called Det Ynclan’s phone at 2:07 pm.

At 2:18 pm, Lori was already calling Valley of the Sun Mortuary.

Charles’ iPhone returned to the area of the home between 2:43 and 3:11 so Lori could return that device to detectives, as requested.

Conclusion:
At the very least, we know that Alex was done shooting CV for the second time (or maybe I should say we know CV was down and immobilized) by 7:52 when he called Lori on her own phone. Alex called 911 at 8:33. So he waited at least 41 minutes to call 911 after CV had been shot.

Also, AC's call to 911 at 8:33 am coincides with LVD's arrival at JJ's school. To me, this indicates they had agreed - either as part of an original plan or in a plan they made in the calls after Lori left the home - that 911 would not be called until LVD was somewhere that other witnesses would see her, as they believed that would prove that she was NOT at the home when CV was shot.

ETA: Note that the 7:37 to 7:49 timeframe... when talking to Det CY and asked particulars about what was happening when, Lori described this as "all happening in seconds."
Not sure about anyone else, but this timeline confirms to me that Lori did shoot Charles, either one or both shots. Otherwise, why wait for Lori to be at the school when phoning 911? BUT if you contrast this will Loris statement to CY that she already knew Charles was dead, is Lori placing the blame solely on Alex?
 
I don't believe a word of the LVD made up story of the entire murder. Starting with the business about taking CV's phone. IMO that never happened until after CV was murdered. I could make up a version of events that would make more sense than the LVD version. I doubt LE believes her story either but there is no way to prove anything else since 4 or the 5 people that were there are now DEAD. All that remains alive is the lying story teller LVD. JMOO
I would be interested to hear how you think the event unfolded. Please share.
 
Immaterial but now I'm curious.

At 4:50.50 in this video, she's arriving at the Walgreens. Again, I slowed it down to .25x playback speed. She has something on her feet. Black sandals? There's a band across the top of her feet.

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She then puts the red and blue flip flops somewhere off camera and leaves carrying only the yellow ones.

Disturbingly normal behavior for someone whose husband was just shot.

Lorichalance.

If love to know what she filled that poor employee's ears with.

LoriVallowDaybellBabble

JMO

 
Immaterial but now I'm curious.

At 4:50.50 in this video, she's arriving at the Walgreens. Again, I slowed it down to .25x playback speed. She has something on her feet. Black sandals? There's a band across the top of her feet.

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She then puts the red and blue flip flops somewhere off camera and leaves carrying only the yellow ones.

Disturbingly normal behavior for someone whose husband was just shot.

Lorichalance.

If love to know what she filled that poor employee's ears with.

LoriVallowDaybellBabble

JMO

Yes, Lori, how come you couldn't walk on the hot pavement to take JJ in to school, but you could walk across the hot parking lot at Walgreens?
 
Not sure about anyone else, but this timeline confirms to me that Lori did shoot Charles, either one or both shots. Otherwise, why wait for Lori to be at the school when phoning 911? BUT if you contrast this will Loris statement to CY that she already knew Charles was dead, is Lori placing the blame solely on Alex?
I think the "plan" must have been to provoke an argument that T would see and could attest to but no shots were supposed to happen until they'd left. Then Lori would be at the alibi locations when AC would have shot CV "in self defense" -- IMO LVD had been working for a long time to create animosity between CV and T, so CV would be the "the bad guy" which is what IMO she set T up to assume that morning.

It was probably preplanned that AC would call Lori to tell her the deed was done (that he'd killed CV "in self defense" as planned), she's act shocked, tell him he needed to call 911, and she'd be right there. They stuck to that half of the plan, which of course, makes no sense, since T heard the gunshot before they left.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lori herself delivered one or both of the shots but I don't think she would have left her fingerprints anywhere near that gun nor would she return to the scene of the crime without visiting a sink somewhere to scrub her hands.

No doubt Lori had been working on AC for a while too, with a tale of how fearful she was.

No wonder she thought she was some kind of god, she was controlling everyone.

Just like she thinks she's doing in the courtroom.

We'll see what the jury thinks of her performance.

JMO
 
Yes, Lori, how come you couldn't walk on the hot pavement to take JJ in to school, but you could walk across the hot parking lot at Walgreens?
Why did she buy two pairs if she already had shoes on?

The black sandals it appears she's wearing when she walks into Walgreens, where are they now? Maybe only T left without shoes.

And Lori had shoes she replaced.

JMO
 
In an early Fox report in the case it was stated that Charles had informed the hotel that he would be bringing JJ back with him for a hotel breakfast. They don't appear to have bothered with getting that into evidence, but I think it's important because 1/ it shows Lori was lying that she told Charles to leave right then and take him to McDs, and 2/ it shows why Charles was picking him up an hour before school opened, and that he never had any intention of spending any time there picking a fight with Lori. He had plans to treat JJ! :(
 
In an early Fox report in the case it was stated that Charles had informed the hotel that he would be bringing JJ back with him for a hotel breakfast. They don't appear to have bothered with getting that into evidence, but I think it's important because 1/ it shows Lori was lying that she told Charles to leave right then and take him to McDs, and 2/ it shows why Charles was picking him up an hour before school opened, and that he never had any intention of spending any time there picking a fight with Lori. He had plans to treat JJ! :(
So....

CV may never have known LVD had his phone.

She made a point of saying he was always forgetting things, took multiple trips to leave the house (I wasn't clear if she was referring to JJ or CV) but truth in the lies, perhaps LVD deliberately sent JJ out to the car without his backpack so CV would have to come back for it, you know leaving JJ in a running car. (How many times had JJ, left in a running car, taken off? Let me guess. Zero.)

We really have no idea what happened or how it happened. T was primed to say whatever her mom told her to say and we can't ask her now because LVD and CD made sure of it. All we know is they planned to kill him and lured him into the house and may have created drama to paint CV as the aggressor.

I doubt CV ever swung that bat.

JMO
 
So....

CV may never have known LVD had his phone.

She made a point of saying he was always forgetting things, took multiple trips to leave the house (I wasn't clear if she was referring to JJ or CV) but truth in the lies, perhaps LVD deliberately sent JJ out to the car without his backpack so CV would have to come back for it, you know leaving JJ in a running car. (How many times had JJ, left in a running car, taken off? Let me guess. Zero.)

We really have no idea what happened or how it happened. T was primed to say whatever her mom told her to say and we can't ask her now because LVD and CD made sure of it. All we know is they planned to kill him and lured him into the house and may have created drama to paint CV as the aggressor.

I doubt CV ever swung that bat.

JMO
Neither Tylee nor Alex could say what the argument was about, and neither mentioned his phone.

Quotes from the timeline thread linked above -

The LEO asks Tylee to describe again what happened when CV grabbed the bat. Tylee says she stuck it out and motions with a 2-hand hold. Tylee says CV told her she would go to jail if she hit him with it and Tylee didn’t say anything. She says she held it out and CV took it, she sort of lunged forward and lost her footing. Tylee says Lori said “Just Let go” and Tylee slipped and fell on her side. After that her mom told her to go so she ran out the door. LEO asks if when she fell could she see what CV did with the bat. Tylee says no she wasn’t really looking in that direction. The LEO asked again about when CV took a step back if Tylee saw AC pull him back. Tylee says she didn’t really see AC pull him back but it seems like that’s what happened. She says she didn’t think CV would have stepped back on his own. LEO then asks if Tylee saw what happened with AC and CV when her mom told her to go. Tylee says no.

Tylee says again that CV was yelling and Lori was just kind of talking. LEO asks if she could remember what they were saying or why CV was mad. Tylee says she didn’t and she was sorry. She doesn’t remember what they were saying and she just heard yelling.

Body cam videos show curbside interview with Alex at the scene of the house where CV was shot to death. "What happened today? How did it get to this?" the LEO asks AC. "I don't know. He was enraged," AC replies. AC says “He was accusing me…” but he doesn’t finish that thought as a loud Fire Engine pulls up. LEO tells AC to move away from the loud truck then asks AC “What was he accusing you of?” AC replies “I don’t know. He was just yelling at me.” AC says that Lori, JJ & Tylee left the house shortly before the shooting occurred. Then AC says, "It was over my sister. He was getting physical with her, so my niece came out with her bat and he took the bat away…" but the LEO interrupts and asks "Wait a minute. I thought you said your niece left?" AC replies "She did. this was before," AC says he grabbed Charles from behind, and they fell to the ground. When AC gets back up, he explains how he gets hit in the back of his head. "I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat, so I went to my room and got my gun, 'cause I always carry it," AC says. AC claims he warned Charles to drop the bat before shooting him twice in the chest.
 
Why did she buy two pairs if she already had shoes on?

The black sandals it appears she's wearing when she walks into Walgreens, where are they now? Maybe only T left without shoes.

And Lori had shoes she replaced.

JMO
I wonder whether she borrowed JJ's shoes? They look like sliders to me, so if they were a little small, it wouldn't matter. Though I have no idea what size Loris feet are, nor JJ's.
 
Brandon has been a main concern for me all these years. He has apparently "forgiven" Melani P, but I have always felt she got away with M. So, I do hope Brandon's case goes smoothly. But I am sooooooooooooo hoping that she really slips up on it. moo
Brandon is a survivor of attempted murder. His close friend, Charles was murdered and then his cousins by marriage, Tylee and JJ and then an innocent woman he never knew (Tammy) and he lives with that every day. In my opinion he deserves justice. He needs to see Lori being humbled and although he forgave MP, she should go to prison. She deserves it.
 
Neither Tylee nor Alex could say what the argument was about, and neither mentioned his phone.

Quotes from the timeline thread linked above -

The LEO asks Tylee to describe again what happened when CV grabbed the bat. Tylee says she stuck it out and motions with a 2-hand hold. Tylee says CV told her she would go to jail if she hit him with it and Tylee didn’t say anything. She says she held it out and CV took it, she sort of lunged forward and lost her footing. Tylee says Lori said “Just Let go” and Tylee slipped and fell on her side. After that her mom told her to go so she ran out the door. LEO asks if when she fell could she see what CV did with the bat. Tylee says no she wasn’t really looking in that direction. The LEO asked again about when CV took a step back if Tylee saw AC pull him back. Tylee says she didn’t really see AC pull him back but it seems like that’s what happened. She says she didn’t think CV would have stepped back on his own. LEO then asks if Tylee saw what happened with AC and CV when her mom told her to go. Tylee says no.

Tylee says again that CV was yelling and Lori was just kind of talking. LEO asks if she could remember what they were saying or why CV was mad. Tylee says she didn’t and she was sorry. She doesn’t remember what they were saying and she just heard yelling.

Body cam videos show curbside interview with Alex at the scene of the house where CV was shot to death. "What happened today? How did it get to this?" the LEO asks AC. "I don't know. He was enraged," AC replies. AC says “He was accusing me…” but he doesn’t finish that thought as a loud Fire Engine pulls up. LEO tells AC to move away from the loud truck then asks AC “What was he accusing you of?” AC replies “I don’t know. He was just yelling at me.” AC says that Lori, JJ & Tylee left the house shortly before the shooting occurred. Then AC says, "It was over my sister. He was getting physical with her, so my niece came out with her bat and he took the bat away…" but the LEO interrupts and asks "Wait a minute. I thought you said your niece left?" AC replies "She did. this was before," AC says he grabbed Charles from behind, and they fell to the ground. When AC gets back up, he explains how he gets hit in the back of his head. "I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat, so I went to my room and got my gun, 'cause I always carry it," AC says. AC claims he warned Charles to drop the bat before shooting him twice in the chest.
This makes me angry all over again.

Triangulation. LVD is conniving. Always. You DON'T want to be invited to her pool parties.

I think she orchestrated the tension between CV and T. It's a thing.

After the refresher (details above), I think it was a total set up. LVD provoked CV -- I think the phone story was made up to explain why LVD had his phone and how she knew what was on it but it may never have left his car -- poor T joins the fray when it appears that CV is angry (because LVD intentionally provoked him) so T reacts, believing LVD needs protecting.

What's really SICK, besides the conspiracy to commit murder (for money and convenience), is that LVD used her constellation to lure and bait CV, and then created this dangerous situation with a gun knowing it could go all kinds of sideways. I shouldn't be shocked since she had no problem later leaving them dead in her backyard but it's just so reckless, self-serving, cold.

JMO
 
I have not watched the entire trial, but I haven't heard or seen any evidence linking the shooting of BB by LVD. This seems to be stretched out to me. If anyone should be on trial for conspiracy to kill BB it is is MBP!!!
I think we all agree that MBP was involved in the conspiracy to kill BB and most of us do not understand why she has not been charged.

As for evidence linking LVD to the conspiracy, you won’t see much of that in this trial because CV was murdered first so they can’t really bring in things that happened later. It will be interesting to see the state’s witness list for the next trial but I think AC using Tylee’s Jeep is a big one as LVD would have been the one to give him the keys since Tylee was already gone. And the video of LVD & CD putting the seat from the Jeep in storage will tie her to it as well. (The seat was removed to give AC room to set up for the shot.) And I think there is one of her & AC getting it back out of storage after the attempt on BB IIRC. And lots of calls and texts between LVD & AC & CD. I expect that trial to take longer than this one as I think it will take more state witnesses to put it together but I think they will have plenty of evidence showing LVD’s involvement.
 
About changing his life insurance -- I don't know that CV knew LVD would or was plotting to kill him, but i think it's apparent he didn't trust her and believed she was capable of it. I think he changed his beneficiary for two reasons. If he died, he didn't want her to profit from it, and I think AT the time he changed it, he did think his leading cause of death would be murder, by LVD and AC. (The second reason, because his sister would need the moment to raise JJ. What a good and conscientious man.)

IMO he was watching his back. But he overestimated LVD. I don't think he thought she'd put the children in harm's way. I wonder at what moment that day he realized he'd walked into her trap and he wouldn't get out alive. His fear then had to be for JJ and T. He knew she'd stop at nothing.

JMO
 
I was wondering what his primary motivation for changing the beneficiary was. Was it just a "mean move", because he was (justifiably) unhappy with how she was treating him, or was he finally admitting to himself the extent of her mental instability and worried that she was too unstable to carry the responsibility? Or did he do it because he truly feared that she might one day kill him or have him killed for the insurance money? Scary thought!

If that's what it was though, it defeats his purpose if he doesn't let her know he changed it. Since he kept it a secret from her, he might have just done it to get back at her for being so awful to him.
CV filed for divorce a couple of weeks before changing his beneficiary so it was probably suggested by his divorce attorney as that is pretty typical.
 
Timeline-wise I can see why they can't bring in her Idaho convictions for Charles, because they only show her mindset after Charles. But I do wonder if they could bring in Charles AND the children in Brandon's case, because they came before.

I don't know what Arizona's laws are about bringing in prior convictions, but they are going to have to lay some groundwork for how Brandon's attempted murder was part of a scheme to get money from MBP's inheritance dues, after they failed to get it with Charles. I can see the state filing motions to include, after a guilty verdict on Charles. The whole reason they separated Charles and Brandon's cases was so that the jury wouldn't be prejudiced in Charles' case by having two identical allegations showing a pattern of behavior, because Lori was asking to join the cases a few weeks ago but Judge pointed out the dangers to her.
 
This makes me angry all over again.

Triangulation. LVD is conniving. Always. You DON'T want to be invited to her pool parties.

I think she orchestrated the tension between CV and T. It's a thing.

After the refresher (details above), I think it was a total set up. LVD provoked CV -- I think the phone story was made up to explain why LVD had his phone and how she knew what was on it but it may never have left his car -- poor T joins the fray when it appears that CV is angry (because LVD intentionally provoked him) so T reacts, believing LVD needs protecting.

What's really SICK, besides the conspiracy to commit murder (for money and convenience), is that LVD used her constellation to lure and bait CV, and then created this dangerous situation with a gun knowing it could go all kinds of sideways. I shouldn't be shocked since she had no problem later leaving them dead in her backyard but it's just so reckless, self-serving, cold.

JMO
I love the fact that she's showing how mad she is that the phone conversation with Banner Life and the police interviews were recorded. She's not coming across at all as the victim she wanted to portray herself as, in her opening speech. Arguing with experts about bamboo shirts, being disrespectful to the lady Charles went on a date with as if she still treated him like a husband, asking police if they were calm, lecturing Serena about the bible, asking Kay if she knew what happened when she didn't even bother to notify her but did fed-ex Charles ashes to her, because she, Lori, didn't want a service for her 'husband', it's been a disaster for her. The jury is getting the measure of Lori, I am sure.
 
Not sure about anyone else, but this timeline confirms to me that Lori did shoot Charles, either one or both shots. Otherwise, why wait for Lori to be at the school when phoning 911? BUT if you contrast this will Loris statement to CY that she already knew Charles was dead, is Lori placing the blame solely on Alex?
On the flip religious side considering that LVD believed she was sent by God to be the head honcho of the 144,000 chosen ones and in God's eyes she was the same as his prophet Nephi who was supposedly authorized by God to kill Laban so if the circumstances warranted it I could see her not wanting to give her brother AC the glory of killing CV which she believed was her destined mission.

I'm trying real hard to think like a deranged radical religious woman.
IMO.
 
Timeline-wise I can see why they can't bring in her Idaho convictions for Charles, because they only show her mindset after Charles. But I do wonder if they could bring in Charles AND the children in Brandon's case, because they came before.

I don't know what Arizona's laws are about bringing in prior convictions, but they are going to have to lay some groundwork for how Brandon's attempted murder was part of a scheme to get money from MBP's inheritance dues, after they failed to get it with Charles. I can see the state filing motions to include, after a guilty verdict on Charles. The whole reason they separated Charles and Brandon's cases was so that the jury wouldn't be prejudiced in Charles' case by having two identical allegations showing a pattern of behavior, because Lori was asking to join the cases a few weeks ago but Judge pointed out the dangers to her.
Found some law around this - rule 404b (re. prior bad acts)

Evidence of prior bad acts committed by a defendant is usually inadmissible at trial. Ariz. R. Evid. 404(b); see Hughes, 102 Ariz. at 122, 426 P.2d at 390; State v. Garcia, 96 Ariz. 203, 205, 393 P.2d 668, 670 (1964). However, evidence of prior bad acts may be admissible to establish "motive, intent, absence of mistake or accident, identity and common scheme or plan." Hughes, 102 Ariz. at 122, 426 P.2d at 390; Ariz. R. Evid. 404(b).[1]

 
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