AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #4

[Love Never Fails]

But Lori could have done those things and not been a murderer. They're signs of being an awful, insensitive person, but they're not evidence.

Not in the way that some of her words and actions are.

MOO

Ok if you say so.
Hmmm.

 

[Wishbone]

I saw that. But imo it was glossed over! There was no mention that Kay was shocked to get his remains in a box or that Lori sent the remains to his young sons. Nor the fact that both sons asked for a nice watch from their dad’s collection. She sold those and sent them crap. This could haven brought out and if it was I never heard it.

More fuel to add to the dumpster fire that is LVD. JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I predict we'll have a verdict by lunch. That's allowing them extra time to read about James and Elena.

 

[iamshadow21]

Ok if you say so.
Hmmm.

People can be horrible without being criminal. A witness on the stand has to tread a very fine line and testify about what is relevant. It's not a place for the airing of every negative interaction and encounter.

Yes, of course, Lori's treatment of Kay and Charles's sons is directly connected. But it's not evidence in the way that Lori's phonecalls to the life insurance people are, or her texts to Alex about getting 'rid' of Charles are.

People can be horrible to each other in a way that appalls us but is perfectly legal, especially after a death.

Also, the fine line isn't just about legality. If Kay had laid all that out, how many on the jury would have started to think she just resented and hated Lori and had an axe to grind? More than one, I suspect. Kay would have well understood this after all these years, and this being the third trial. She would have understood how much she needed to say and how, and how much she needed to leave unsaid.

MOO

 

[Berrybell]

I predict we'll have a verdict by lunch. That's allowing them extra time to read about James and Elena.

I agree, I do not think it will take the jury long to reach a verdict.

 

[aafromaa]

In her Rebuttal she talks about self defense under Arizona law.
Around 5:18

I had seen that part, Cindizzi, but I think there were more points to be made than just pointing out the 2nd shot didn’t fall under AZ self-defense law because the first shot doesn’t either. Even if one believes that CV took that bat from Tylee and whether he hit or threatened anyone with it or not, he would have been defending himself with a weapon someone else brought to the scene where he was unarmed. He would have been acting in self defense and AZ law does not allow for a claim of self defense against someone who is defending themselves. That is - only one person can be acting in self defense and in this case it was CV. That’s all they really needed to prove this was not self defense but murder and then they only had to prove LVD’s involvement in the conspiracy. Yes the 2nd shot was a good point and the delay in calling 911 was a good point but pointing out CV was the one acting in self defense according to the law would have been a better point IMO

 

[TigerLou]

I predict we'll have a verdict by lunch. That's allowing them extra time to read about James and Elena.

They will get halfway in, get to "the storm" and all vomit and vote guilty

 

[Megnut]

There's no evidence a bat was used by anyone IMO. Until AlexC staged one.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Are the jurors coming in at 10:30am or earlier? Anyone know? Didn't the Judge say they could make their own hours? or is it the other case I am following... ?? TIA!

 

[aafromaa]

Good Morning WSers! I can’t help wondering this morning about the various things the jury was not allowed to hear about this case and how puzzled they must be about things like Tylee not testifying and Kay not seeing JJ since May 2019. I can’t imagine any scenario where they realize that LVD & AC & CD killed them too or what they must think of the comment that was made about the Idaho trial by one witness. If all we knew was that CV was killed, enough was said to make us curious about Tylee & JJ & an Idaho trial, but I don’t think any of us would put that together and conclude that trial was about their murders. So I can’t imagine what they might be thinking about Tylee & JJ but I am pretty sure it would be on my mind if I was on this jury.

 

[Warwick7]

Are the jurors coming in at 10:30am or earlier? Anyone know? Didn't the Judge say they could make their own hours? or is it the other case I am following... ?? TIA!

I thought I read 10:30 pacific time.

 

[Warwick7]

Are the jurors coming in at 10:30am or earlier? Anyone know? Didn't the Judge say they could make their own hours? or is it the other case I am following... ?? TIA!

Here it is 10:30

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914690554388209914

 

[aafromaa]

There's no evidence a bat was used by anyone IMO. Until AlexC staged one.

JMO

I agree - no evidence - only statements from the co-conspirators (LVD & AC) - the jury didn’t even get to hear Tylee’s statement about it. However, I have no problem believing that Tylee brought the bat out of her room or that CV took it out of her hands or that she stumbled when he did. I know that some think all that Tylee said in her statement was coached or even all falsified but I don’t think as much of it was that most do. And if I’m not mistaken that is where what she said about the bat ends. LVD told her to get up and go to the car with JJ and she left the house. I don’t think she said anything about seeing CV raise the bat or threaten AC with it or anything - only that he took it from her and she went outside. But since the jury doesn’t have Tylee’s statement anyway, they don’t have to decide whether she told the truth about the bat or not and I can see where they might think that everything about the bat was a lie even though I don’t think it was.

 

[justme11]

They will get halfway in, get to "the storm" and all vomit and vote guilty

Cheek to cheek
Loin to loin

 

[tlcya]

Cheek to cheek
Loin to loin

 

[Izzylizzy]

Nate this morning on his way to court deliberations.

 

[indicolite22]

This woman was in Lori's ward and has a daughter that was Tylee's age. She points out that Tylee liked her mother and wanted to be like her.

 

[Tricia]

I predict we'll have a verdict by lunch. That's allowing them extra time to read about James and Elena.

LOL, I hope you are right, Tortoise

 

[indicolite22]

This jury is predominantly male. I'm not sure if they are interested in Mormon smut.

 

[Tricia]

My fear is that there is one person on the jury who just might say, "Yeah, but there really isn't a solid connection that proves Alex and Lori conspired." It might be the literal type of person. If it is not black and white or a straight line between A and B, they won't see the connection enough to convict her.
Again, I want to stress I have Casey Anthony Post Traumatic Verdict Disorder. Seriously. No matter how good a case is, I now stress to the point of losing sleep that it is not good enough, the bad person will go free.
In this case, if there is a hung jury, they will retry. No matter what, Lori has three consecutive life sentences she has to serve in Idaho. I hold on to that.