AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #4

[Izzylizzy]

IIRC, the recording is from 2018.

Thanks for the correction.
The article was from Nov 2020 and by then both Joe Ryan and Charles Vallow were deceased.

 

[aafromaa]

Just finished reading some of the comments regarding LVD’s supposed NDE and I have a question not really specific to LVD or CD but about NDE. I had heard the term NDE before all this but thought since it stood for Near Death Experience that it would refer to what someone who was close to death experienced - like when I was in a motorhome that exploded and was critically injured. Seconds seemed like hours and faces and memories of loved ones both living and deceased raced through my mind as I struggled to get out of the fire. I almost died but didn’t and when I heard the term Near Death Experience I thought it was about what people who almost died experienced - not those who might have actually died and then perhaps had their hearts shocked or something and came back to life. But it seems that those who read Visions of Glory or followed Julie Rowe or Chad Daybell consider a NDE only as those who died for an instant and came back. Is that what a NDE is instead of what I thought? Or is it only the doomsday preppers who think of it only as actually having died and then came back?

 

[mickey2942]

Just finished reading some of the comments regarding LVD’s supposed NDE and I have a question not really specific to LVD or CD but about NDE. I had heard the term NDE before all this but thought since it stood for Near Death Experience that it would refer to what someone who was close to death experienced - like when I was in a motorhome that exploded and was critically injured. Seconds seemed like hours and faces and memories of loved ones both living and deceased raced through my mind as I struggled to get out of the fire. I almost died but didn’t and when I heard the term Near Death Experience I thought it was about what people who almost died experienced - not those who might have actually died and then perhaps had their hearts shocked or something and came back to life. But it seems that those who read Visions of Glory or followed Julie Rowe or Chad Daybell consider a NDE only as those who died for an instant and came back. Is that what a NDE is instead of what I thought? Or is it only the doomsday preppers who think of it only as actually having died and then came back?

Basically, according to this group a "NDE" is whatever they say it is. I once drank a slushie really fast at DQ, it was almost an NDE!

(Seriously, these people are cray cray), not to discount your experience.

 

[kaen]

Something the prosecution and defense would have loved to know during the voir dire.

“I have this uncanny ability to block out things”.

Just gonna say that something seems odd about this guy and his responses. I was actually a little uncomfortable listening to him. I got a sense of liking the attention and a little gamesmanship.

 

[Luna20]

Just gonna say that something seems odd about this guy and his responses. I was actually a little uncomfortable listening to him. I got a sense of liking the attention and a little gamesmanship.

Agree 100%! An opportunist who thought this was his chance to be famous.

 

[SteveS]

Just finished reading some of the comments regarding LVD’s supposed NDE and I have a question not really specific to LVD or CD but about NDE. I had heard the term NDE before all this but thought since it stood for Near Death Experience that it would refer to what someone who was close to death experienced - like when I was in a motorhome that exploded and was critically injured. Seconds seemed like hours and faces and memories of loved ones both living and deceased raced through my mind as I struggled to get out of the fire. I almost died but didn’t and when I heard the term Near Death Experience I thought it was about what people who almost died experienced - not those who might have actually died and then perhaps had their hearts shocked or something and came back to life. But it seems that those who read Visions of Glory or followed Julie Rowe or Chad Daybell consider a NDE only as those who died for an instant and came back. Is that what a NDE is instead of what I thought? Or is it only the doomsday preppers who think of it only as actually having died and then came back?

A "Near Death Experience" is somewhat of a technical term, and the idea first gained notoriety about 50 years ago in a bestselling book called "Life After Life" that created quite a furor. In it, a psychiatrist explored and shared the accounts of those who had technically died (ie they coded, and were considered dead for a period of time) and then un-died, so to speak, and his book was about finding out what happens to the inner "you" when you physically die.

There have been many more books on NDE's since then, as well as some written to try to discredit the idea of an afterlife. Almost all of the accounts speak of a person being aware of their self leaving their body, and then observing (usually from above) what is going on regarding their body, and often relating those things in an accurate way later on (as an eyewitness would do) -- even though at the time they were thought to be dead and should have had no way to know such things.

There are varying opinions on the legitimacy of such NDE experiences as they are described, of course.

I naturally tend to be skeptical about such stories, in part because I am a strong believer in the Bible, which of course supports an afterlife for all of us that immediately follows this one, but this being something that's obviously different than that.

However, I also am pulled by the fact that I have a long-time family friend (since, deceased) named Betty who experienced an NDE as many write about. She was declared dead, and then a significant period later came back to life again. She awoke immediately with VERY vivid stories, some being the same sort of observing that others have said, and then more besides. She was a very frank and HONEST person, and there was no reason to think she would make things up (nor was there anything she said that was inaccurate, if it could be verified, and that didn't make sense on many levels.) In fact, Betty was very changed by her NDE for the remainder of her life (several more years), giving ample evidence she believed every word she said. There was no attempt to gain a cult following, just her sharing what she experienced with people she knew well. So take that as you wish.

As for CD and LVD, however, I don't really buy their stories. From how they used their accounts, I think theirs were made up tall tales to try to sell books and gain fame, and perhaps to even impress each other and bond over their own mutual specialness.

Just my 2c.

 

[Cindizzi]

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Gigiky]

After the very tragic lost of my sister my husband gifted me the book by,
Betty J Eadie: Embraced By The Light. It's about NDE and Life after Death. Really great book and helped me through one of the worst times in my life.
And LVD & CD just did or said whatever it took to keep their grift up for as long as they could.
Vile people!!!! JMO!

 

[aafromaa]

A "Near Death Experience" is somewhat of a technical term, and the idea first gained notoriety about 50 years ago in a bestselling book called "Life After Life" that created quite a furor. In it, a psychiatrist explored and shared the accounts of those who had technically died (ie they coded, and were considered dead for a period of time) and then un-died, so to speak, and his book was about finding out what happens to the inner "you" when you physically die.

There have been many more books on NDE's since then, as well as some written to try to discredit the idea of an afterlife. Almost all of the accounts speak of a person being aware of their self leaving their body, and then observing (usually from above) what is going on regarding their body, and often relating those things in an accurate way later on (as an eyewitness would do) -- even though at the time they were thought to be dead and should have had no way to know such things.

There are varying opinions on the legitimacy of such NDE experiences as they are described, of course.

I naturally tend to be skeptical about such stories, in part because I am a strong believer in the Bible, which of course supports an afterlife for all of us that immediately follows this one, but this being something that's obviously different than that.

However, I also am pulled by the fact that I have a long-time family friend (since, deceased) named Betty who experienced an NDE as many write about. She was declared dead, and then a significant period later came back to life again. She awoke immediately with VERY vivid stories, some being the same sort of observing that others have said, and then more besides. She was a very frank and HONEST person, and there was no reason to think she would make things up (nor was there anything she said that was inaccurate, if it could be verified, and that didn't make sense on many levels.) In fact, Betty was very changed by her NDE for the remainder of her life (several more years), giving ample evidence she believed every word she said. There was no attempt to gain a cult following, just her sharing what she experienced with people she knew well. So take that as you wish.

As for CD and LVD, however, I don't really buy their stories. From how they used their accounts, I think theirs were made up tall tales to try to sell books and gain fame, and perhaps to even impress each other and bond over their own mutual specialness.

Just my 2c.

I am also a strong Bible believer and also cannot always explain what I’ve heard or read from those I trust or experienced for myself. Though I was closest to death while in that fire and the first few days that followed, I was in the hospital for over 3 months and went through several skin graft surgeries. I had one of those “out of body experiences” during one of those surgeries. I wasn’t dead and wasn’t even critical at the time. I was however being given a lot of morphine and was under anesthesia. it wasn’t a lengthy out of body experience and didn’t involve anything spiritual but i felt myself float out of my body and hover above and viewed part of the surgery from above. The only reason I know this wasn’t a dream is because during those brief moments a nurse who wasn’t in the room when they put me out nor when I woke up had stepped into the room to ask how much longer. One of the doctors doing the skin graft replied ‘in 2 shakes of a lamb tail” - a phrase that at that time I had only heard my step-father use. The next day when the doctor was removing the dressings to some of my other injuries to schedule another set of skin grafts, I asked him just how long 2 shakes of a lamb tail was. He looked at me kind of funny and asked why I asked him that and said he’d only heard that term the day before and only said it that one time. He couldn’t believe that there was any way that I could have heard let alone seen that conversation. Was it the drugs? Was it some power our subconscious mind has that we just don’t normally know about? I have no idea but he said I correctly described where he was standing at the time and the nurse who came in and where she stood - above the head of the operating table where I couldn’t have seen her if I had been able to open my eyes on that table. He couldn’t explain it and at the time I was only 17 anyway and just chalked it up to the drugs but later realized it wasn’t a hallucination if I had the details right. I still don’t know what that was but I do refer to it as an out of body experience but again there was nothing spiritual about it.

Maybe it was a portal????

Like you I do not believe either LVD or CD ever had any kind of experience on the other side of the veil nor that they died and returned to life and I believe that if either ever had any contact with any spirit it was an evil one.

 

[indicolite22]

The main point of Chad's and Julie Rowe's NDEs was that they gained a special ability, which they called "seeing beyond the veil". Chad then claimed he could communicate with dead ancestors, see into the future and tell good from bad (light vs dark) people. Lori's NDE gave her similar powers (she talks to her children and Tammy) but was also designed to gain sympathy for her in court.

 

[Tricia]

Kresha Easton, Kay Woodcock's daughter, joined our livestream. Kresha comes in around
1:10:07
We did not talk about Scott Peterson because we ran out of time. Scott is trying to appeal his sentence, so not much new there.

 

[Tricia]

Kresha's YouTube channel is called diffiCULT Research

diffiCULT Research

Welcome to my channel! I'm Kresha Easton, a member of the Woodcock family and a niece of Charles Vallow. As the aunt of JJ Vallow and cousin of Tylee Ryan, I am on a mission to seek justice by uncovering the troubling beliefs of my former aunt, Lori Vallow, and her husband, Chad Daybell...

www.youtube.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Just gonna say that something seems odd about this guy and his responses. I was actually a little uncomfortable listening to him. I got a sense of liking the attention and a little gamesmanship.

IMO:
I agree and what I also found odd plus disingenuous was how Lauren fed his incompetence as a juror who obviously paid little attention to the evidence presented under the guise of him being some kind of critical thinking juror which is what's needed on juries thereby not running with the pack of the other jurors when they entered deliberations and 10 of the 12 jurors were convinced of LVD's guilt.
I've held Lauren in high esteem and was greatly disappointed in how she handled herself with Karl.
She fed his ego to the end.

 

[Megnut]

Provoking someone in order to claim self defense is no defense.

I don't understand why AlexC was so willing to do LVD's bidding, what the spell LVD and CD put him under, that he had such blind allegiance to LVD, it's as if he surrendered his free agency to hers, but he's not here to ask. What we have is LVD unfraid to manipulate another human being, by whatever means she did it, to do her dirty work. And that, for the Karls of this world, is what conspiracy is.

You don't wait for LVD to use the word.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Provoking someone in order to claim self defense is no defense.

I don't understand why AlexC was so willing to do LVD's bidding, what the spell LVD and CD put him under, that he had such blind allegiance to LVD, it's as if he surrendered his free agency to hers, but he's not here to ask. What we have is LVD unfraid to manipulate another human being, by whatever means she did it, to do her dirty work. And that, for the Karls of this world, is what conspiracy is.

You don't wait for LVD to use the word.

JMO

That sure was a head scratcher when Karl kept going back to no witness could answer LVD yes when she asked if they ever heard from her lips that she wanted to kill her husband.
Common sense tells us that it's not something that one planning to have someone killed goes around doing.

I think that once Karl entered deliberations and was faced with all the info and evidence that the other jurors had for a guilty verdict on conspiracy to murder that he knew then and there he was exposed for not having paid attention during the trial and his game was up of having mostly decided that LVD was innocent.
IMO

 

[indicolite22]

Provoking someone in order to claim self defense is no defense.

I don't understand why AlexC was so willing to do LVD's bidding, what the spell LVD and CD put him under, that he had such blind allegiance to LVD, it's as if he surrendered his free agency to hers, but he's not here to ask. What we have is LVD unfraid to manipulate another human being, by whatever means she did it, to do her dirty work. And that, for the Karls of this world, is what conspiracy is.

You don't wait for LVD to use the word.

JMO

IMO Chad and Lori got Alex with their religious talk, despite him not being very religious beforehand. She told him that they would both be like Nephi. According to texts released he asked before Charles' murder if zombie possessions were reversible. Alex was a believer in their mission, zombies included. He didn't stand to profit financially from the murders.

 

[indicolite22]

That sure was a head scratcher when Karl kept going back to no witness could answer LVD yes when she asked if they ever heard from her lips that she wanted to kill her husband.
Common sense tells us that it's not something that one planning to have someone killed goes around doing.

I think that once Karl entered deliberations and was faced with all the info and evidence that the other jurors had for a guilty verdict on conspiracy to murder that he knew then and there he was exposed for not having paid attention during the trial and his game was up of having mostly decided that LVD was innocent.
IMO

Perhaps Karl meant that witnesses could have heard/overheard her talk about murder just like Alex did in front of Christina. Lori did state in front of an audience that she once wanted to kill Joe Ryan but that was for another case.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Perhaps Karl meant that witnesses could have heard/overheard her talk about murder just like Alex did in front of Christina. Lori did state in front of an audience that she once wanted to kill Joe Ryan but that was for another case.

His repeated go-to "on the fence" was because no witness heard her say it.
He came across as impressed with her specifically asking witnesses the question and their "no" answer.
IMO

 

[indicolite22]

His repeated go-to "on the fence" was because no witness heard her say it.
He came across as impressed with her specifically asking witnesses the question and their "no" answer.
IMO

Perhaps he wasn't listening when the concept of circumstantial evidence was explained to the jury.