AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #4

[Love Never Fails]

Thanks for the update.

I was very surprised when I saw Lauren @ Hidden True Crimes post a video interviewing Karl.
After his "3 life's" comment and the attention it got I couldn't believe he was back again talking.
IMO

Yes I defended the juror, thinking he overheard someone in the hallway that might. I thought it was quite innocent. Maybe he was overwhelmed. But I saw the interview with Lauren and something didn’t sit right with me. When asked directly how he heard about the three life sentences, he squirmed and said he didn’t know or quite remember. And he said he thought she was innocent until reviewing the text about Ned during the closing? I do not believe a man his age (and mine) is that naive.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I still can't believe he sat for this interview.
Did he not see/read all the backlash from his "3 life" comments and did no one he knows tell him not to talk anymore?
And we now know that his first interview/comment has been brought to the judges/defense's attention.
imo

He said he never watched the news and didn’t see any of it. Wonder what he does?

 

[indicolite22]

He said he never watched the news and didn’t see any of it. Wonder what he does?

IIRC, according to interviews, he's a pulmonary therapist. He also stated that he liked Fox News. Perhaps he doesn't watch the news part. I'm sure they mentioned Lori's case at some point.

 

[Love Never Fails]

IIRC, according to interviews, he's a pulmonary therapist. He also stated that he liked Fox News. Perhaps he doesn't watch the news part. I'm sure they mentioned Lori's case at some point.

I remember him saying he watched some local Fox affiliate but it wasn’t Fox 10 in Phoenix, nor was it Fox national news. I think he might have said Fox 3?
Watching him made me scratch my head. He didn’t appear dumb. It’s just that he wasn’t very with it somehow.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don’t know how it works in Arizona. If she appeals does that not mean she has to stay in Arizona or can she go back to Idaho?

I don't know but going back to Idaho would create the problem of not having access to her Arizona appellate lawyer(s).
If I had to bet I'd say she'll stay in the Maricopa County jail because her upcoming BB trial is in AZ with the same judge.
Then if she's found guilty in BB's trial she'll appeal that conviction and it's the same cycle again and Arizona lawyers.
IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

IIRC, according to interviews, he's a pulmonary therapist. He also stated that he liked Fox News. Perhaps he doesn't watch the news part. I'm sure they mentioned Lori's case at some point.

My BP rises watching the interview.
I really like Lauren but she gave him leading questions throughout and basically praised him at the end for questioning LVD's guilt. (scream)
He paid NO attention during the trial.

imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

IIRC, according to interviews, he's a pulmonary therapist. He also stated that he liked Fox News. Perhaps he doesn't watch the news part. I'm sure they mentioned Lori's case at some point.

I watched a few more snips this morning and caught the part of him telling Lauren he was the one who asked the medical questions because he couldn't comprehend why CV was just given a few minutes of CPR and not whatever the medication is to try and start one's heart etc.
It came out in the interview that he only found out /realized there was a 43 minute lapse until AC called 911 during deliberations so CV was way past medical interventions.
We were all posting about the 43 minutes while the trial was in progress.
How a juror sitting in the courtroom could use their phone while the trial is in progress to me speaks volumes.

IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Something the prosecution and defense would have loved to know during the voir dire.

“I have this uncanny ability to block out things”.

 

[aafromaa]

I gather she'd be appealing w/o this information, though it could be entered in the appeal?

imo

Definitely could be wrong on this one…but I think juror misconduct in AZ is grounds for a new trial if motion for new trial comes within 2 weeks and is heard by the judge who heard the case or at least by a judge in that jurisdiction not an appeals court judge and can only be grounds for an appeal if the motion for new trial was denied by the lower court judge.

Anyone want to chime in on this, please do as I am definitely NOT a lawyer

 

[Izzylizzy]

Definitely could be wrong on this one…but I think juror misconduct in AZ is grounds for a new trial if motion for new trial comes within 2 weeks and is heard by the judge who heard the case or at least by a judge in that jurisdiction not an appeals court judge and can only be grounds for an appeal if the motion for new trial was denied by the lower court judge.

Anyone want to chime in on this, please do as I am definitely NOT a lawyer

Thanks, I didn't even think of "juror misconduct".
Up thread there's a filing by Kay to the judge that included Karl's comments along with BB's upcoming trial and LVD's prior convictions.
IIRC:
There's also a statement by the judge about it.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Live now

Started streaming 23 minutes ago

'In this video I am going to discuss my thoughts on this old video I did and how I am a completely different person compared to now'.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Definitely could be wrong on this one…but I think juror misconduct in AZ is grounds for a new trial if motion for new trial comes within 2 weeks and is heard by the judge who heard the case or at least by a judge in that jurisdiction not an appeals court judge and can only be grounds for an appeal if the motion for new trial was denied by the lower court judge.

Anyone want to chime in on this, please do as I am definitely NOT a lawyer

It's federal juror misconduct laws.
If LVD was tried under state laws then it would fall under the state's juror misconduct laws.
Interesting read.
Bottom line would what the juror did have changed the verdict?


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Remmer v. United States and the "Remmer Hearing"​

The landmark case of Remmer v. United States (1954) established the legal framework for determining juror misconduct.

The case arose when Carl A. Remmer, convicted of tax evasion, appealed his conviction because an outside party had attempted to influence a juror during the trial with an implied bribe.

The juror, who later became the foreman, reported the incident to the judge, and the judge conferred with prosecutors, but the defense didn't discover the breach until after the conviction. They motioned for a new trial, but the motion was denied.

The case made it to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the justices ruled that "in a criminal case, any private communication, contact, or tampering, directly or indirectly, with a juror during a trial about the matter pending before the jury is presumptively prejudicial."

This presumption of prejudice places the burden on the government to prove that such contact with the juror did not affect the verdict.

The Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower courts, instructing them to hold a hearing to determine whether this incident harmed the defendant and, if so, to order a new trial. This ruling led to establishing the "Remmer Hearing" in cases of alleged juror misconduct.

What is Juror Misconduct?​

Juror misconduct refers to any inappropriate or


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Post-Conviction Appeals Due to Juror Misconduct

You could file a post-conviction federal appeal due to juror misconduct for any conduct that conflicts with the judge's instructions on how to perform.

www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

What is Juror Misconduct?​

Juror misconduct refers to any inappropriate or unlawful conduct by jurors that may affect the fairness and impartiality of their verdict. Jurors are typically warned against these behaviors at the beginning of a trial. Common examples of juror misconduct include:

• Unauthorized Investigation: Jurors conducting their research or investigations about the case, including visiting the crime scene or looking up legal terminology.
• External Communication: Discussing the case with friends, family, or anyone outside the jury can introduce biases and opinions not presented in court, jeopardizing the defendant's right to a fair trial.
• Failure to Disclose Information: Not revealing crucial information during the jury selection, such as a personal relationship with someone involved in the case, can skew a juror's impartiality.
• Influence of External Factors: Allowing news reports, public opinion, or other external influences to affect decision-making.
• Improper Use of Electronic Devices: Using smartphones, tablets, or other devices to conduct independent research or communicate about the case during the trial.
• Conferring with Other Jurors Out of Court: Discussions outside the deliberation room during the trial can lead to the exchange of opinions and biases that may influence the final verdict.

It is important to note that not all juror misconduct is intentional, but even unintentional actions can significantly impact the outcome of a trial. It's also worth noting that not all misconduct leads to the automatic reversal of a conviction; the misconduct must have likely affected the verdict, which is what the Remmer Hearing decides.'

Post-Conviction Appeals Due to Juror Misconduct​

You could file a post-conviction federal appeal due to juror misconduct for any conduct that conflicts with the judge's instructions on how to perform.

www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com

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[mickey2942]

IIRC, according to interviews, he's a pulmonary therapist. He also stated that he liked Fox News. Perhaps he doesn't watch the news part. I'm sure they mentioned Lori's case at some point.

Actually, my husband is addicted to "Faux News". And pretty much, it is all politics, or if a minority kills a white person. Whites, killing other whites, rarely makes it to Fox News.

 

[Izzylizzy]

There's a section in the link about social media and juror misconduct.

What Happens in a Remmer Hearing?​

'During a Remmer Hearing, the court thoroughly examines whether any extraneous influence was exerted on the jury and, if so, whether it prejudicially affected the jury's decision.

The procedure typically involves questioning the involved jurors and other relevant parties. The goal is to ascertain the nature and extent of any misconduct or improper influence.

The defense can present evidence of misconduct, while the prosecution may attempt to show that the alleged misconduct did not impact the jury's decision. If the court finds jury misconduct likely influenced the verdict, it must order a new trial."

Post-Conviction Appeals Due to Juror Misconduct

You could file a post-conviction federal appeal due to juror misconduct for any conduct that conflicts with the judge's instructions on how to perform.

www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com

 

[mickey2942]

Nate Eaton has definitely been on top of this saga, for years. And DeOrr Kuntz. Who knew East Idaho would be such a hotbed of crime?

Nate Eaton, Author at East Idaho News

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Nikynoo]

Just listening to Loris statement before the sentencing for the Idaho murders.

Does anyone know whether a third party has confirmed that Lori has a ‘near death’ experience when she gave birth to Tylee?

 

[indicolite22]

Just listening to Loris statement before the sentencing for the Idaho murders.

Does anyone know whether a third party has confirmed that Lori has a ‘near death’ experience when she gave birth to Tylee?

No, her family don't remember her mentioning it before. Just like Chad never mentioned his alleged NDEs until after other writers had success with their stories.

 

[mickey2942]

Just listening to Loris statement before the sentencing for the Idaho murders.

Does anyone know whether a third party has confirmed that Lori has a ‘near death’ experience when she gave birth to Tylee?

The woman has no shame. Or conscience. Bringing up the daughter she killed, for money, in a sentencing hearing for a husband she killed for money.

I know, she is convicted of "conspiracy". But it wouldn't surprise me if she had killed them all. With her "stooge", AC doing the dirty work at her bidding.

 

[Megnut]

Just listening to Loris statement before the sentencing for the Idaho murders.

Does anyone know whether a third party has confirmed that Lori has a ‘near death’ experience when she gave birth to Tylee?

No, her family don't remember her mentioning it before. Just like Chad never mentioned his alleged NDEs until after other writers had success with their stories.

IMO 100% made up. Which neither admitted to the other either. That's just a guess on my part.

What's not a guess -- anybody and everybody near LVD and CD is near death.

I seriously hope LE is revisiting every death near these two.

They're like hospice cat, the both of them, only instead of having an uncanny perception of pending death, they are causing death wherever they go.

Utterly conscienceless.

JMO