AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #4

[Izzylizzy]

Still watching, but at 20:45 Lauren asks Karl about his statement made outside the courthouse immediately after the verdict when he stated something like "while driving home yesterday, I was thinking that she already had 3 life sentences," and he kind of sidestepped in his answer and then changed the subject. When Lauren attempted further clarification, he said he didn't know how he learned that and he didn't clarify the timing - did he learn it after the verdict or did he learn it sometime before the deliberations began or before they were finished. Curious to know what others think after watching this.

It seems clear to me from the interview that Karl learned a lot more about Lori's past and the crimes in Idaho AFTER the verdict was read in the courtroom, but it is still unclear whether he knew while participating in deliberations that Lori had 3 past convictions with life sentences and if so, how he learned that.

Sounds like Karl had a hard time "tracking" with the evidence and what all of it meant relative to the charges until the prosecutor's closing statement pulled it all together and brought particular pieces of evidence to his attention such that he wanted to go over that evidence again during deliberations. Even the evidence demonstrating the fact that Lori and Chad were having an affair seems to have escaped his notice during the trial as he wasn't sure if he learned that during the trial or afterwards.

ETA: Karl also related about how the trial and what he has learned since has impacted him, saying it has kept him awake and caused him to wake from sleeping.

Lauren posted this 28 mins ago on top of the now 1,200+ comments this interview garnered.

@HiddenTrueCrime

28 minutes ago (edited)
Our full backstory Carl watched before this interview: https://youtu.be/V_JA8-XnTtA?si=6ASanCcPh6rVuK5O

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Love Never Fails]

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“IF” Lori testifies? I thought they could bring it up period because of the murder of Charles. Lori will not testify

 

[Izzylizzy]

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I'm confused.
It's only if LVD testifies' that the state can bring into evidence her past convictions?

 

[MTW2011]

I saw on Reddit that someone contacted the Judge about a juror’s post verdict interview. The Judge made record of this email to the Court and the link the person included, which went to the Fox 10 Arizona interview with juror Carl discussing her “3 life sentences” line that we’ve all heard by now. The Judge wrote that he was just noting this email for the record and that Lori’s advisory attorneys were supposed to get her access to the video by today. I’m attaching the photo that was also shared there, but it’s the same if you go and look at the docket yourself.

I love hearing from jurors but it’s a fine line ….because stuff like this can absolutely happen when they talk. Le sigh

 

[TDoc72]

ETA: Karl also related about how the trial and what he has learned since has impacted him, saying it has kept him awake and caused him to wake from sleeping.

He should be glad he wasn’t an Idohan juror that had to see the autopsy photos of the kids.

 

[Gigiky]

I saw on Reddit that someone contacted the Judge about a juror’s post verdict interview. The Judge made record of this email to the Court and the link the person included, which went to the Fox 10 Arizona interview with juror Carl discussing her “3 life sentences” line that we’ve all heard by now. The Judge wrote that he was just noting this email for the record and that Lori’s advisory attorneys were supposed to get her access to the video by today. I’m attaching the photo that was also shared there, but it’s the same if you go and look at the docket yourself.

I love hearing from jurors but it’s a fine line ….because stuff like this can absolutely happen when they talk. Le sigh

And so it begins. LVD will have a field day with this.
Cringe .
JMO

 

[Luna20]

And so it begins. LVD will have a field day with this.
Cringe .
JMO

She would love to be in the spotlight again. A dream come true for her to play lawyer, to flip her curls around one more time and talk baby talk. Evidence will show that she is a fraud.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I saw on Reddit that someone contacted the Judge about a juror’s post verdict interview. The Judge made record of this email to the Court and the link the person included, which went to the Fox 10 Arizona interview with juror Carl discussing her “3 life sentences” line that we’ve all heard by now. The Judge wrote that he was just noting this email for the record and that Lori’s advisory attorneys were supposed to get her access to the video by today. I’m attaching the photo that was also shared there, but it’s the same if you go and look at the docket yourself.

I love hearing from jurors but it’s a fine line ….because stuff like this can absolutely happen when they talk. Le sigh

Thanks for the update.

I was very surprised when I saw Lauren @ Hidden True Crimes post a video interviewing Karl.
After his "3 life's" comment and the attention it got I couldn't believe he was back again talking.
IMO

 

[MTW2011]

Thanks for the update.

I was very surprised when I saw Lauren @ Hidden True Crimes post a video interviewing Karl.
After his "3 life's" comment and the attention it got I couldn't believe he was back again talking.
IMO

I agree, sadly.
And to see him now claim he didn’t remember where or when or how he learned of the 3 life sentences…. Oof. A different tune than some of his other interviews.

This may go nowhere, but that doesn’t mean Lori doesn’t now have a small door she can try to pry and prop open because some jurors have done one too many interviews. JMOO tho

 

[Diddian]

He should be glad he wasn’t an Idohan juror that had to see the autopsy photos of the kids.

Maybe if he had he'd stop saying he feels sorry for her. SMH.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I agree, sadly.
And to see him now claim he didn’t remember where or when or how he learned of the 3 life sentences…. Oof. A different tune than some of his other interviews.

This may go nowhere, but that doesn’t mean Lori doesn’t now have a small door she can try to pry and prop open because some jurors have done one too many interviews. JMOO tho

@ 6:02:40
He may not remember where/when/how he learned of LVD's 3 life sentences but he certainly remembered what day it was/yesterday and where he was going/home and where he was/car when he remembered that he already knew about the 3 life sentences.

IMO

 

[Diddian]

@ 6:02:40
He may not remember where/when/how he learned of LVD's 3 life sentences but he certainly remembered what day it was/yesterday and where he was going/home and where he was/car when he remembered that he already knew about the 3 life sentences.

After listening to the guy for the full length of Lauren's interview, I don't know what to think. I can't tell if he is muddled in his thinking or dancing around the question. Maybe he naps between thoughts like he must have napped during testimony and review of jury instructions (because he sure seemed to have missed a lot of both).

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ned’s as bored with her as everyone else is.

Someone should tell her she should carry an extinguisher for as often as her pants are on fire.

Was anything ever revealed about the name "Ned Schnider (sp?) ?
Was there a person someone had known by that name, obviously deceased?
Ned's the first zombie I'm aware of that got a last name. lol

 

[Luna20]

After listening to the guy for the full length of Lauren's interview, I don't know what to think. I can't tell if he is muddled in his thinking or dancing around the question. Maybe he naps between thoughts like he must have napped during testimony and review of jury instructions (because he sure seemed to have missed a lot of both).

Some people should not be jurors, he is a good example of that. In addition to the advance juror instructions it’s basic common sense.

If there was a penalty for this I think we would see less of these rogue jurors.

 

[Izzylizzy]

After listening to the guy for the full length of Lauren's interview, I don't know what to think. I can't tell if he is muddled in his thinking or dancing around the question. Maybe he naps between thoughts like he must have napped during testimony and review of jury instructions (because he sure seemed to have missed a lot of both).

IMO:
He lacks self awareness because if he had it he would not have done this interview which once again shows that he did not pay attention during the trial and he uses non-essential fillers during the interview because that's all he got on his own during the trial focused on her being not-guilty and then uses what other jurors told/showed him during deliberations bringing him into the guilty fold.
If it really was Treena Ray's closing which convinced him of her guilt he wouldn't have walked into deliberations still on the fence.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Some people should not be jurors, he is a good example of that. In addition to the advance juror instructions it’s basic common sense.

If there was a penalty for this I think we would see less of these rogue jurors.

There are strict penalties for Grand Jurors ever speaking about their cases whether the person is indicted or not.
Possible fines and jail time.

 

[Luna20]

There are strict penalties for Grand Jurors ever speaking about their cases whether the person is indicted or not.
Possible fines and jail time.

So he has even less common sense.

I mentioned the penalty upthread and the response was that it would violate freedom of speech?