GUILTY AZ - Sylar Newton, 2, Rimrock, 25 July 2010 - #3

[kissdegirl]

Here they are :

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August 4, 2010

LANCE: They are saying that they have evidence that leads them to believe that he is out of the area. And they`re also saying that they presumably believe now that he is also deceased.

They searched a landfill that was close by, Nancy. Tons of garbage that they`ve sifted through. They`ve already conducted several different interviews and according to the family members that we`ve spoken to on our staff, they have told us that police are narrowing down on someone. They possibly could be making an arrest any moment.

GRACE: Joining us from Dewey, Arizona, is Natisha Lance. With us, Yvonne Newton, biological grandmother of missing 2-year-old Sylar. The search still ongoing for him.

Yvonne, they searched that trash dump. They found nothing. Two hundred tons of trash they sifted through. Are police suggesting to you and your daughter -- his mother -- that the child is dead?

YVONNE NEWTON, BIOLOGICAL GRANDMOTHER TO MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD SYLAR NEWTON: Yes. They are saying that they -- they presume that he is dead and the percentage of him being found alive is slim right now.

GRACE: But why? If they haven`t found his body, why do they believe he`s dead?

NEWTON: Because he`s been missing for so long.

GRACE: Yvonne Newton, what are they telling you about how nobody heard anything when the child was allegedly taken out of the tent?

NEWTON: Can you repeat that?

GRACE: How are police saying the child was taken out of the tent and nobody heard a thing?

NEWTON: That just blows me away because I don`t see how a little kid like that could get out of a tent without waking someone up.

GRACE: I don`t understand it either. Tell me, how did this so-called adoption come about? This was the would-be adoptive mother. How did this happen? How was this mother selected to adopt Sylar?

NEWTON: Well, my daughter has known her for five years, maybe longer. I`ve only known her for a couple of years. And from the time that I`ve known her, she seems nice enough. And she offered to help out.

And the temporary custody form was signed from what I know. Any adoption forms have not been produced. So as far as I know, only a temporary custody form is the only thing that`s been produced

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/04/ng.01.html

I hope they make an arrest soon. Tomorrow I want to see some progress on this case when I get up. Please let there be good news....or any news. These sweet and precious AZ boys are breaking my heart.

 

[nums24]

2010.08.04

Here is the Issues w/Jane Velez Mitchell transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[Kat]

In a video located next to an article upthread (it's where CP and CN are walking around town with flyers). One of them says they had a "notarized custody agreement" between them.

I wonder what exactly is stated on that notarized piece of paper. Is it a custody agreement? If so, I looked at AZ law forums and those are used between the parents of a child until the formal process of custody is decided by the courts.

Is it a POA? I'm lost on this type of paper they claim to have.

Also LE is stating any court documents related to this can't be found.

So these two women decided to raise a child together. Sylar with one for 6 months, the other for 6 months.

That's the part of the story (all of the above) that I can't figure out to fit in a logical fashion. JMHO.

 

[newone]

In a video located next to an article upthread (it's where CP and CN are walking around town with flyers). One of them says they had a "notarized custody agreement" between them.

I wonder what exactly is stated on that notarized piece of paper. Is it a custody agreement? If so, I looked at AZ law forums and those are used between the parents of a child until the formal process of custody is decided by the courts.

Is it a POA? I'm lost on this type of paper they claim to have.

Also LE is stating any court documents related to this can't be found.

So these two women decided to raise a child together. Sylar with one for 6 months, the other for 6 months.

That's the part of the story (all of the above) that I can't figure out to fit in a logical fashion. JMHO.

I know that you can appoint someone as a temporary guardian of your child - I have had to do this in situations where I had to be out of town on biz -- gives the person authority to make decisions (such as medical etc). Parent signs it and perhaps in this case they did go to the trouble of having it notarized (depends on the state).

 

[Shutterfly]

In a video located next to an article upthread (it's where CP and CN are walking around town with flyers). One of them says they had a "notarized custody agreement" between them.

I wonder what exactly is stated on that notarized piece of paper. Is it a custody agreement? If so, I looked at AZ law forums and those are used between the parents of a child until the formal process of custody is decided by the courts.

Is it a POA? I'm lost on this type of paper they claim to have.

Also LE is stating any court documents related to this can't be found.

So these two women decided to raise a child together. Sylar with one for 6 months, the other for 6 months.

That's the part of the story (all of the above) that I can't figure out to fit in a logical fashion. JMHO.

I can't tell you how things work in AZ Kat, but I can tell you what this "custody arrangement" sounds like to me after going through a similar situation prior to adoption of my youngest child in SC. It sounds to me as if these two sat down somewhere, in front of a notary, and wrote on a piece of paper that CP had CN's permission to act as the child's legal guardian and to make medical decisions for him. They probably threw in some "he's better off with CP, I'm unable to care for my son, blah blah blah." I did this the day my son was handed to me when he was three months old because I feared that the bio-mom would change her mind and try to have me arrested for kidnapping. She was a drug addict, and I had reason to worry.

I found out as my situation progressed, that beyond medical care in an emergency situation, this piece of paper wasn't worth the paper it's written on. I also discovered that any time this child's bio-mom decided that she wanted to come and get him, I was powerless to prevent it, regardless of the condition she was in at the time or what that notarized paper stated.

I had NO right to have this child until the day I stepped from the courthouse, once legal custody had been established, notarized paper or not. CP may have been crazy mad in love with this child, and perhaps she truly wanted to adopt him. But my guess is that she was nothing but a glorified babysitter in the eyes of the law. That's what the judge told me I was the first time I went to court a YEAR after I'd physically had custody of my son. He told me in no uncertain terms that I was a fool to have waited so long to seek custody and that if some catastrophe would have befallen us I would have been in BIG trouble. All the bio-mom had to do is say "well I told her to give him back" and if I'd refused, I would have been in jail for kidnapping. No questions asked.

Like I said, I don't know how it works in AZ but here in SC it was nothing but a gigantic mess.

 

[Melanie]

Did you all hear on Nancy Grace that the bio family of Sylar said that an arrest is coming soon in regards to Sylar .....

When the transcripts come up I will post it here ...

I heard that too -- I was quite suprised. Haven't heard anything since, but maybe tomorrow will bring more news.

Sylar - where are you little buddy.

Mel

 

[Soulmagent]

So sad one family who wanted there child lost theirs and another child who was never wandering alone exhausted the same SAR teams that needed their energy for a child who really was in wandering. Ironic to think Emmett's parents saw Slyar's story on the news and may have discussed it within Emmett presence.
I have to say I feel whoever is to blame for Sylar's disapearance should hold some blame in Emmet's death as well because to think that the massive amount of resources that went into finding Sylar did not effect the the SAR team in Emmet's case would be insane. The 101/2 hours of searching everyday or night for 8 days to turn right arround and do it again for who knew how long or how that was going to turn out. Then the people who couldnt be there for Emmett because they used their time off from work or just couldnt handle it or had nothing left to give. Then these SAR guys dont even get their happy ending. No one does.

I am upset.

 

[Taminator]

When my MIL was alive, she had a notary license because of her job. From the link below, it seems pretty easy to become a commisioned notary. In TP's and CN's case, they possibly could have just written out an agreement and had a person one of them knew stamp the paper and notarize it. My MIL's notary was just a stamp pad with a line for her signature. Of course I can't ask her for more details because she is no longer with us, but.......

http://www.notaryrotary.com/101/become_an_Arizona_notary_public.asp

 

[cluciano63]

Did they quit searching for this little fellow?

 

[TobyWong*]

Did they quit searching for this little fellow?

No searching, no news. Just blows my mind that humans can disappear. Poof gone. Is anybody screaming and yelling anywhere for or about this baby?? Where is he? Who Took him??

 

[tabacue]

When my MIL was alive, she had a notary license because of her job. From the link below, it seems pretty easy to become a commisioned notary. In TP's and CN's case, they possibly could have just written out an agreement and had a person one of them knew stamp the paper and notarize it. My MIL's notary was just a stamp pad with a line for her signature. Of course I can't ask her for more details because she is no longer with us, but.......

http://www.notaryrotary.com/101/become_an_Arizona_notary_public.asp

I was a notary in Florida many years ago. All you had to do was fill out an application, get some character references, get bonded and pay the fees. A notary's purpose is to verify that the person signing the documnet is who they say they are - either by producing id or being personally known to them in advance. Notaries don't prepare documents. They only witness that they were signed. They could have easily drafted up something at home, gone to the library/bank/other place where a notary might be, showed their id, paid a small fee and had the document notarized.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I've been trying to follow this case, but I'm a little confused. If someone could answer these questions, I'd be so thankful.

Are there any persons of interest/suspects?
Were police ever able to find any evidence that the woman Sylar was with had filed papers/planned to adopt him?
Are police thinking this was a family abduction/stranger abduction/he wandered off?

 

[cluciano63]

LE has not named anyone as suspects or POI's...no official documents seem to have been found re: adoption that I am aware of. And LE has not said for sure that he could not have wandered off, only that they feel he is dead and a criminal investigation is under way, so I think they must have suspicions at least. But no real news in a day or two...

 

[Soulmagent]

LE has not named anyone as suspects or POI's...no official documents seem to have been found re: adoption that I am aware of. And LE has not said for sure that he could not have wandered off, only that they feel he is dead and a criminal investigation is under way, so I think they must have suspicions at least. But no real news in a day or two...

I thought an arrest would be happening soon. I dont understand do you have a link for the not being sure he wandered off because I thought he "was not in the desert"

 

[cluciano63]

No, I don't think LE thinks he wandered off, but I don't know that they said it is an absolute that he did not; I am pretty sure they don't think that, because then it would not be a criminal investigation, but not sure they stated he did not wander, if that makes sense. If someone else has where they stated he could not have walked away, please advise?

 

[mysticrose]

Ever since Emmetts story hit the news Sylar got back burnered it seems Not that either one of them are more important then the other the news just quit in Sylars case.

I am hoping this means something is going to happen real soon.......

 

[newone]

talk about stretched resources -- the searchers and Yavapai Sheriff probably could use some extra help

 

[Mamietwo]

No, I don't think LE thinks he wandered off, but I don't know that they said it is an absolute that he did not; I am pretty sure they don't think that, because then it would not be a criminal investigation, but not sure they stated he did not wander, if that makes sense. If someone else has where they stated he could not have walked away, please advise?

I don't have a link for this information but all morning I've been listening to HLN and whenever the story comes up, which is right after the Emmett story of him being found dead, they say that they don't believe Sylar wandered off because the bloodhounds can only pick up the scent not far from the tent and then they turn around and come back to the tent. So this indicates that he did not wander off that maybe an abduction has taken place. But I do agree with JVM (that doesn't always happen) when she asks how do they then think he is dead if it's an abduction? In other words, that kind of a big leap.

I don't know whether this has been brought up or not but I think this little guy looks like Baby Gabriel, which brought me to wonder whether this "custodial mother" might have sold him and to our infamous Tammi and her husband. They are, afterall, in AZ. JMO

 

[Portabella]

Okay I am going to throw something out there
Who is to say they did not decide to give him something to help him sleep. We don't know maybe Sylar was a hyper child, and they wanted him to sleep soundly in the tent. Maybe they gave him something to assist him with sleeping and when they checked on him when they were headed to bed, he was not breathing. Then they would be afraid since they have drugs and such on their past criminal records. Also how could they tell Bio mom, so they make a call and call someone else that is shady or they themselves go to get some wood, God only knows, but would not be hard to carry him as a sleeping child. Rigor would not have been set in yet. The twelve year old may sleep soundly and not think a thing of Mom taking him and scooping him up. I mean just my mind working overtime. But something happened and I think it could well be an accident (as much as something such as this can be called an accident) and then a cover up.

This is all just my OPINION>

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

talk about stretched resources -- the searchers and Yavapai Sheriff probably could use some extra help

As far as I know they have not quit searching- and Yavapai has extra help- but I do think they were/are stretched.

I think the move to a criminal investigation and the supposition that he is dead might be coming from interviews. And the dogs tracking patterns are helping to substantiate.