AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[oceanblueeyes]

It doesn't matter which Romero was the legal owner of the gun....allowing the boy unfettered access is negligent, and the Romero estate could be held civilly liable if the Roaman family decides to sue.

The gun laws of AZ don't matter....having an unsecured weapon in the home with a small child is a foreseeable hazard.

If they do sue, hope they get a change of venue to metropolitan Phoenix.

Maybe but this wasn't some surprise or unknown, that there were guns in that home or knowing one was used by the defendant. Tim Romans also had used VRs guns, most likely knew where they were located and helped place them back once they (TM, VR and the boy) came in from hunting.

So if there were any risks he was very well aware of those risks.

imoo

 

[Trino]

Eight months IMO would not be enough for taking two lives, no matter what the age. Also, I cannot believe he would be well enough to resume life in a normal society.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Eight months IMO would not be enough for taking two lives, no matter what the age. Also, I cannot believe he would be well enough to resume life in a normal society.

From the impression I get the DA is very concerned about this kid just being put back into society with no mental treatment. He knows normal kids don't do things like this. When seasoned DAa and officers are overwhelmed by the heinous of it....it has to be one of the worst cases they have seen.

He does take into consideration that the boy may not have a legal mental disorder but could be incompetent because of his age now where he cant assist in his defense. If he offers him 8 months to see if he is age competent at that time and if he is, then he probably offered that after that he would do juvenile time until he is 18.

JMO tho

 

[colette]

To Quote myself from 11-24-08...





11-24-2008, 11:49 PM
colette
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Indiana
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"If the kid did kill both these men, he is not a sweet innocent child. To me there seems to be more evidence of guilt than of innocence, but time will tell. If the evidence is there, I'm thinking in the end he will make a plea of guilty and avoid a trial."

 

[colette]

He needs big time mental help, because those murders were coldblooded.

 

[T-Rex]

I found this explanation:

"Prosecutors are concerned that the court could find the boy unfit to stand trial. The...system was designed for children who are at least 12... .Prosecutors are worried the court could rule that the boy is too young to understand the charges and the court proceedings and dismiss the case. ...Prosecutors now say their goal is to strike a balance or a deal which would provide...justice and at the same time provide treatment and rehab which this boy desperately needs.
So...prosecutors have offered a plea deal to the 8-year-old St. Johns boy charged with murdering his father and another man."
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/stjohns-local-news-112808-double-murder.10aacb9d.html

Not just justice, but an understanding of the gravity of the situation. So far, he's served a week or two; gotten to go home for the holidays, and, according to InSessions, been sent toys from people around the country. He didn't understand the gravity of his actions before, and I doubt any of this brought it home.

 

[fran]

I'm still not convinced this boy did this crime, or IF he did, acted alone. I'm honestly undecided.

I just pray that whatever the pros does, they get it right. Although I can't imagine an eight year old doing such a horrible crime, IF he did it, I'm not sure he can be rehabilitated. IF an eight year old was capable of this murder, there's something not wired right in his brain and he MAY be capable of even worse crimes as he gets older.

Very sad case, ALL around.

I'll be watching as this progresses.

JMHO
fran

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I found this explanation:

"Prosecutors are concerned that the court could find the boy unfit to stand trial. The...system was designed for children who are at least 12... .Prosecutors are worried the court could rule that the boy is too young to understand the charges and the court proceedings and dismiss the case. ...Prosecutors now say their goal is to strike a balance or a deal which would provide...justice and at the same time provide treatment and rehab which this boy desperately needs.
So...prosecutors have offered a plea deal to the 8-year-old St. Johns boy charged with murdering his father and another man."
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/stjohns-local-news-112808-double-murder.10aacb9d.html

Not just justice, but an understanding of the gravity of the situation. So far, he's served a week or two; gotten to go home for the holidays, and, according to InSessions, been sent toys from people around the country. He didn't understand the gravity of his actions before, and I doubt any of this brought it home.

They certainly aren't doing this boy any favors by catering to him and rewarding him for his behaviors. It is showing him that what he has done is acceptable and double homicide committed in this heinous of fashion can never be acceptable to society.

It doesn't matter what age he is. To have the capability of planning and plotting out these murders shows this boy is not the kind of child that we need to release back into the population without no treatment at all. It is not so much about him but what he has done and how it may affect society at large one day if he goes untreated.

We know youthful offenders re-offend 50% of the time and they do not do near what this boy has done. The DA is very concerned about this boy being released with no mental health care and treatment.

imoo

 

[colette]

Not just justice, but an understanding of the gravity of the situation. So far, he's served a week or two; gotten to go home for the holidays, and, according to InSessions, been sent toys from people around the country. He didn't understand the gravity of his actions before, and I doubt any of this brought it home.

You sure got that right, I agree!

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

http://www4.publicdata.com/PDdetail...lstate=TX&id=BEB7877E6F9E8E1351CDEF68FBD041ED

 

[Trino]

I found this explanation:

"Prosecutors are concerned that the court could find the boy unfit to stand trial. The...system was designed for children who are at least 12... .Prosecutors are worried the court could rule that the boy is too young to understand the charges and the court proceedings and dismiss the case. ...Prosecutors now say their goal is to strike a balance or a deal which would provide...justice and at the same time provide treatment and rehab which this boy desperately needs.
So...prosecutors have offered a plea deal to the 8-year-old St. Johns boy charged with murdering his father and another man."
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/stjohns-local-news-112808-double-murder.10aacb9d.html

Not just justice, but an understanding of the gravity of the situation. So far, he's served a week or two; gotten to go home for the holidays, and, according to InSessions, been sent toys from people around the country. He didn't understand the gravity of his actions before, and I doubt any of this brought it home.

People sent him toys? OMG. I hope juvenile finds a charitable organization to which to donate them. Giving him rewards after he killed two people is not acceptable.

 

[T-Rex]

Wow, ArizonaGigi--that's quite a find. I wonder how he got off with just probation, if the charge was Sex Crimes Against Children; and how he would have been able to get custody, if it was the same person.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi
Yes,that is very interesting.She may have agreed to custody.

suzanne

 

[SoobsinMI]

With regard to the "eight months"...I believe that juvenile law in Az requires that the mental competency of the juvenile be upgraded WITHIN 8 months (for the child to be able to stand trial) or else the judge MUST drop the charges. I don't believe the DA is actually offering an 8 month sentence.

 

[Shelby77]

http://www4.publicdata.com/PDdetail...lstate=TX&id=BEB7877E6F9E8E1351CDEF68FBD041ED

Nah, I don't think that's him, middle name is Ryan IIRC...plus I highly doubt he'd have gotten custody if it's the same man...

 

[SoobsinMI]

Nah, I don't think that's him, middle name is Ryan IIRC...plus I highly doubt he'd have gotten custody if it's the same man...

It is entirely possible that it IS him. "Ryan" is the child's middle name. And the birthdate, while unknown at this time, certainly coincides with the victim being 29 years old at the time of death.

 

[chicagofa13]

If that kid got toys they need to be delivered to Toys for Tots or some other organization for kids at Christmas. Killing two people doesn't deserve a reward. Sheesh.

 

[Shock]

Vincent Ryan Romero was born 1 Nov 79.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Nah, I don't think that's him, middle name is Ryan IIRC...plus I highly doubt he'd have gotten custody if it's the same man...

Yes, it is Ryan. I knew it was not this Vincent Romero because I would have remembered the name Eric since I recently watched the Eric McLean case out of TN.

imoo

 

[secretsmk]

Vincent Ryan Romero was born 1 Nov 79.

Here it says 11 Sep 79
http://www.wmicentral.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20193700&dept_id=505965&brd=2264&pag=461

The text also mentions a second child, a daughter Faith Chavez Romero in Tucson? Was there another marriage?