AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok.My computer makes pictures bigger too.It just comes up blurry though.

Mine is pretty sharp. If it distorts I just decrease it some and it works just fine.

I use it when I shop on line too even when the item already has an enlarge feature. lol

So remember when looking at some of these photos if you come to one that has the bottom or top smoked out then make sure you hit the X to remove that distortion as that means the pictures may be graphic.

I had looked at that site's photos before and never paid attention to the hazed out part until tonight.

imoo

 

[Shock]

Ok,I looked at the transcripts a little bit.The police officer stated the body just had a Jack--had a heavy jacket:carhartt.It didn't state the color of the jacket there.He also stated the body was dark complected skin.

Mr. Romero was dressed in a plaid shirt, carhartt overalls, red hard hat with protective goggles on top, and wearing sunglasses. He was taken to the Burnham Funeral Home as described. His heavy clothing might explain the St. Johns PD from not seeing the back wound.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Mr. Romero was dressed in a plaid shirt, carhartt overalls, red hard hat with protective goggles on top, and wearing sunglasses. He was taken to the Burnham Funeral Home as described. His heavy clothing might explain the St. Johns PD from not seeing the back wound.

That is true.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They said Mr Romans was dark complected ????

 

[Shock]

Mr. Roman was buried at the San Carlos Arizona Apache Reservation cemetery (11 Nov 08). His friends carried his casket in the back of a pick-up truck.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok,I looked at the transcripts a little bit.The police officer stated the body just had a Jack--had a heavy jacket:carhartt.It didn't state the color of the jacket there.He also stated the body was dark complected skin.

Here are some Carhartt jackets.


http://www.gobros.com/cat/Carhartt-Coats-Jackets-100747-pg3.html


Carhartt Detroit Jacket- Carhartt Brown J01
List Price: $67.00
Our Price: $54.99


Carhartt Nylon Insulated Jacket-Dark Khaki J174
List Price: $110.00
Our Price: $89.99

It is hard to know the color. I have noticed in some of the photos on line they have the home looking like it is gray when it actually is painted blue.

But more than likely the jacket was a khaki color or a medium brown shade instead of gray.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They said Mr Romans was dark complected ????

Yes, he was a Native American I believe.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Mr Romans did not look dark complected in his pictures.Mr Romero looked a little darker complected.

 

[Shock]

What does complexion have to do with anything?

 

[Shock]

Yes, he was a Native American I believe.

I don't think they bury europeans in native American graveyards. Don't know for sure, though!
Just joshing.

 

[Shock]

Can we get back to bullets and bodies? The essence of the case.
Seems like I'm arguing with myself. In slow motion.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The officer in the trascript says when he went to the house and saw the body on the front porch the body was dark complected.I do not see Mr Romans pictures showing him dark complected.Maybe the police officer was just mistaken because I do think I see that in the transcripts.

 

[Shock]

He also said that he knew the neighborhood and figured it was a drug overdose.
Anyway, Mr. Roman was face down when Sgt. Rodriguez found him. By that time, 30 to 45 minutes after the murder, blood had drained from the upper capillaries and collected in the lower capillaries. Upper surfaces, back and shoulders, would become pale, while the lower surfaces, (face in this case) would become dark. After an hour or more, and depending on ambient temperature, it may appear black.
That's why undertakers drain the blood, then use formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol, and other chemicals to preserve the body. It works at least until burial. Sometimes longer.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think they bury europeans in native American graveyards. Don't know for sure, though!
Just joshing.

LOL, NO I wouldn't think so.

Well good night, everyone.

I have to wrap a whole lot of presents tomorrow but I will be on sometime later in the morning when I take a break.

Nice posting with all of you, tonight.


imoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Ok.Thankyou.This officer in the transcrits also says when he was asked did you check his pulse.He said no.I felt his leg and it was warm.I'm thinking he couldn't have been dead that long.Would his head turn darker that soon?

 

[chiperoni]

Respectfully snipped ~

This is a "generality" or "stereotype" and I just want to put it out there that I disagree 100%. I believe, generally when a mother loses custody it is for good reason. Just my opinion.

Salem

Well you should talk to all the women who have lost their children because they could not provide some of the basic necessities that a father could. Unfortunately men make more money and statistically get married quicker after a divorce. I've counseled a lot of heartbroken women who were waitnesses, housekeepers etc. who would do anything ethically to have their children living with them. Many of these children return to live in their mother's custody as her economic circumstances improve. A construction worker makes a lot more than a childcare worker, housecleaner or waitress. You can disaggree a 100% but you are degrading a lot of good women when you do. Isn't a 100% a generality or stereotype too? Many women stay in an abusive marriage because they know they would not be able to support their children if they divorced. I thank God everyday that I have a good education and could support my children when they were growing up.. For all neglectful/abusive parents male or female I pray they do not get custody of their children. Just my opinion

 

[Shock]

LOL, NO I wouldn't think so.

Well good night, everyone.

I have to wrap a whole lot of presents tomorrow but I will be on sometime later in the morning when I take a break.

Nice posting with all of you, tonight.


imoo

Nice posting with you, too. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Yes,good night.I need to get to sleep soon too.I need to get up early tommorrow and rudoplh has been over for awhile now.They all just fell asleep in front of the TV.My older son is asleep.I really don't know how I am going to pick them up and put them in bed.But I can't leave them on the floor.LOL.Sigh.

 

[Salem]

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/18019101/detail.html


Ok here it is. I think it is #9

He is laying at an angle more on the left side of the porch with his head toward the screen door.

imoo

What is the cage the gun is hanging out of in picture 11?

Salem

 

[colette]

What is the cage the gun is hanging out of in picture 11?

Salem

It looks like a very large dog create. I have one like it.