AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #3

[oceanblueeyes]

I could be wrong, but IMHO, the def wants a therapist to talk to this child, BECAUSE he IS a child and he needs someone to talk to. Having said that, we know what can happen if the child's words are twisted, he's led to doubt his own memory, and led down a path at the questioner's direction. The defense doesn't want to happen AGAIN, what happened in the BOGUS confession video.

I understand the child has seen a def therapist, but they have to talk to the child behind a glass partician. IMO, a child needs human contact. Treating him like a criminal and in solitary confinement is not the way to treat a CHILD. Seems as if this in itself is a form of ABUSE.

FWIW, IF this were my child or grandchild, I would have already contacted a Civil Rights Lawyer and served the St. Johns PD, each officer, Apache County, AND thus judge. I'm not just talking about having him released, either.

Probably couldn't happen, but I SURE WOULD persue it as a possibility, IF it were me.

JMHO
fran

I would think that this boy would have to adhere to the same rules set in place by the Juvenile Detention Center guidelines.

So I think other juveniles that are there are having to following the same procedures.

His mother has said that she does get to have physical contact with him at times and at other times he is behind the glass partition. I would think other parents or visitors have to abide by the same rules.

Imo, Brewer and Wood seem to be very fearful that the defendant will talk about things that could be used against him. It makes me wonder if this boy is trying to open up about what happened and his attorneys are trying to suppress any statements that he may make, knowing that it will be detrimental to his case.

imoo

 

[fran]

I would think this boy would NOT be in jail or juvie as LE has NO probable cause to hold him. They want the bogus confession thrown out so where's the proof?

IMO, there isn't any.

Like I said, I'd be contacting lawyers, probably MULTIPLE, civil and Civil Rights attorneys. I'd be taking names and numbers, for sure!

JMHO
fran

PS.....not readin' the def lawyers the same, either. They're doing what they're SUPPOSED TO DO, protect their client. He's already been let down by the system and adults in charge. ENOUGH!...fran

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Kind of shocking isn't it? That Vincent's own father would kill him and his friend?

Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing both grown men with a single action 22, before getting the drop on him.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo boy could get off 10 rapid rounds, from a single action 22, without dropping a single live round on the ground.
Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing his own father and friend because his step mom spanked him the night before.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo child killed his own father when there's a MULTITUDE of possible suspects, NOT investigated. Or, at least we don't KNOW that they've been investigated, which means they're STILL RULED in as SUSPECTS.
Yes, we don't know the Mossberg, 22 Automatic is missing, but by all accounts it is. LE said all the 22's in the house were confiscated, which was the boy's 22 Cricket. Yet, LE takes an 'evidence photo' of an EMPTY gun case with an OWNER'S MANUAL of a Mossberg 22 Automatic.
The child said the grandfather kept his gun there. The child said the get-a-way car was a small 'white car, like grandpa's.'
Yeah, kind of shocking, just like jumping to the conclusion this child committed this crime when there is NO proof he did it yet there's OTHERS who have, motive, means, opportunity, UNTIL they're investigated.

JMHO
fran

PS....In an earlier post I put a link that said the Mossberg 22 CAN take the same 22LR shell as the Cricket. Not sayin' they're the best for accuracy, etc. Just because LE took a picture of a box of shells of the .17 whatever, doesn't mean that's what the Mossberg auto takes.......fran

PPS...Why did LE take a picture of the 22 Mossberg Automatic "Owner's Manual" when it wasn't the alleged murder weapon? Why the empty gun case? Where's the gun? fran

I highly doubt that his grandfather's car had no rims on the back. I also think that the boy knew his grandfather's car by sight yet did not say this was his grandfather's vehicle.

There is nothing far fetched with this boy being able to shoot this weapon 10 times. This very model is used by youths because it is extremely easy and has a simple mechanism. The casings eject once the bolt lever is pulled up and back, leaving the gun ready to load or reload. Easy as pie, imo. Even a 7 year old can do it.

Each media site selected which crime scene photos they wanted to show. It does not mean that there weren't photos taken of all the other weapons found.

Brewer has mentioned nothing about the gun. Imo the gun has been located and is a non issue.

The ballistic tests will show if the 10 .22 spent casings found at the scene came for the youth model weapon.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think this boy would NOT be in jail or juvie as LE has NO probable cause to hold him. They want the bogus confession thrown out so where's the proof?

IMO, there isn't any.

Like I said, I'd be contacting lawyers, probably MULTIPLE, civil and Civil Rights attorneys. I'd be taking names and numbers, for sure!

JMHO
fran

PS.....not readin' the def lawyers the same, either. They're doing what they're SUPPOSED TO DO, protect their client. He's already been let down by the system and adults in charge. ENOUGH!...fran

The gunshot residue found on his clothing is more than enough for probable cause to keep him there, even excluding the confession. Even if they had the probable cause hearing all over again. If there wasn't still probable cause now then the Judge would have dropped the case if he used just the confession for probable cause, which imo, he didn't but looked at the overall testimony given in the probable cause hearing. JR is also aware of other discovery that has been turned over by the State.

But he is being held in juvenile detention and has been for over 2 months except for his furloughs and with his attorneys wanting the county to pay for a therapist it seems even his attorneys know he is still very much in the system and will be. Not one time has Brewer said there is not probable cause to hold this boy. He knows there is imo.

He should not be treated any differently than any other juvenile there imo. If they have to abide by the same rules then he has too also.

imo

 

[seashore]

I would think this boy would NOT be in jail or juvie as LE has NO probable cause to hold him. They want the bogus confession thrown out so where's the proof?

IMO, there isn't any.

Like I said, I'd be contacting lawyers, probably MULTIPLE, civil and Civil Rights attorneys. I'd be taking names and numbers, for sure!

JMHO
fran

PS.....not readin' the def lawyers the same, either. They're doing what they're SUPPOSED TO DO, protect their client. He's already been let down by the system and adults in charge. ENOUGH!...fran

Ditto!!!!

 

[seashore]

kind of shocking isn't it? That vincent's own father would kill him and his friend?

Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing both grown men with a single action 22, before getting the drop on him.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo boy could get off 10 rapid rounds, from a single action 22, without dropping a single live round on the ground.
Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing his own father and friend because his step mom spanked him the night before.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo child killed his own father when there's a multitude of possible suspects, not investigated. Or, at least we don't know that they've been investigated, which means they're still ruled in as suspects.
Yes, we don't know the mossberg, 22 automatic is missing, but by all accounts it is. Le said all the 22's in the house were confiscated, which was the boy's 22 cricket. Yet, le takes an 'evidence photo' of an empty gun case with an owner's manual of a mossberg 22 automatic.
The child said the grandfather kept his gun there. The child said the get-a-way car was a small 'white car, like grandpa's.'
yeah, kind of shocking, just like jumping to the conclusion this child committed this crime when there is no proof he did it yet there's others who have, motive, means, opportunity, until they're investigated.

Jmho
fran

ps....in an earlier post i put a link that said the mossberg 22 can take the same 22lr shell as the cricket. Not sayin' they're the best for accuracy, etc. Just because le took a picture of a box of shells of the .17 whatever, doesn't mean that's what the mossberg auto takes.......fran

pps...why did le take a picture of the 22 mossberg automatic "owner's manual" when it wasn't the alleged murder weapon? Why the empty gun case? Where's the gun? Fran

ditto

 

[seashore]

i could be wrong, but imho, the def wants a therapist to talk to this child, because he is a child and he needs someone to talk to. Having said that, we know what can happen if the child's words are twisted, he's led to doubt his own memory, and led down a path at the questioner's direction. The defense doesn't want to happen again, what happened in the bogus confession video.

I understand the child has seen a def therapist, but they have to talk to the child behind a glass partician. Imo, a child needs human contact. Treating him like a criminal and in solitary confinement is not the way to treat a child. Seems as if this in itself is a form of abuse.

Fwiw, if this were my child or grandchild, i would have already contacted a civil rights lawyer and served the st. Johns pd, each officer, apache county, and thus judge. I'm not just talking about having him released, either.

Probably couldn't happen, but i sure would persue it as a possibility, if it were me.

Jmho
fran

ditto!!!!!

 

[seashore]

The gunshot residue found on his clothing is more than enough for probable cause to keep him there, even excluding the confession. Even if they had the probable cause hearing all over again. If there wasn't still probable cause now then the Judge would have dropped the case if he used just the confession for probable cause, which imo, he didn't but looked at the overall testimony given in the probable cause hearing. JR is also aware of other discovery that has been turned over by the State.

But he is being held in juvenile detention and has been for over 2 months except for his furloughs and with his attorneys wanting the county to pay for a therapist it seems even his attorneys know he is still very much in the system and will be. Not one time has Brewer said there is not probable cause to hold this boy. He knows there is imo.

He should not be treated any differently than any other juvenile there imo. If they have to abide by the same rules then he has too also.

imo

#1- gunshot residue tests ARE NOT RELIABLE, therefore DOES NOT SHOW PROBABLE CAUSE

 

[MeoW333]

Kind of shocking isn't it? That Vincent's own father would kill him and his friend?

Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing both grown men with a single action 22, before getting the drop on him.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo boy could get off 10 rapid rounds, from a single action 22, without dropping a single live round on the ground.
Not as far fetched as an 8 yo child killing his own father and friend because his step mom spanked him the night before.
Not as far fetched as saying an 8 yo child killed his own father when there's a MULTITUDE of possible suspects, NOT investigated. Or, at least we don't KNOW that they've been investigated, which means they're STILL RULED in as SUSPECTS.
Yes, we don't know the Mossberg, 22 Automatic is missing, but by all accounts it is. LE said all the 22's in the house were confiscated, which was the boy's 22 Cricket. Yet, LE takes an 'evidence photo' of an EMPTY gun case with an OWNER'S MANUAL of a Mossberg 22 Automatic.
The child said the grandfather kept his gun there. The child said the get-a-way car was a small 'white car, like grandpa's.'
Yeah, kind of shocking, just like jumping to the conclusion this child committed this crime when there is NO proof he did it yet there's OTHERS who have, motive, means, opportunity, UNTIL they're investigated.

JMHO
fran

PS....In an earlier post I put a link that said the Mossberg 22 CAN take the same 22LR shell as the Cricket. Not sayin' they're the best for accuracy, etc. Just because LE took a picture of a box of shells of the .17 whatever, doesn't mean that's what the Mossberg auto takes.......fran

PPS...Why did LE take a picture of the 22 Mossberg Automatic "Owner's Manual" when it wasn't the alleged murder weapon? Why the empty gun case? Where's the gun? fran

Very interesting angles.. if the grandfather was the one who did it, i'm sure he'd warn the boy not to tell if the boy was even aware. The grandfather didn't want the boy to be interrogated by police to begin with, he was against the idea. Maybe since he was afraid what the boy would say?
An automatic .22 would be much quicker to kill people with in the small time frame and amount of shots. "a white car, like grandpa's" if the boy really saw this, it has should be checked out. (we know what a crappy job officers did about the white car).

There isn't enough evidence to go on that just the boy did this. If we were going by the amount of evidence that we know of that they have on the boy, well then they might as well have the grandfather, Tiffany, Tonya and a slew of other people locked up with him.

 

[MeoW333]

ps- the boy could have gunshot residue on him from hugging his grandfather, or anyone else who could have potentially fire a gun or came into contact with the victims

 

[OrdinaryLife]

#1- gunshot residue tests ARE NOT RELIABLE, therefore DOES NOT SHOW PROBABLE CAUSE

No, the residue testing is not reliable hence the linked I shared earlier. Obviously, it was missed. That's really too bad....

As far as the link providing news release from Roy Melnick, please. That thing reads like a resume from JobSeekers. Any LE official that puts out there such an article is arrogant. Especially considering this is NOT a closed case on any level.

As far has this child having a therapist, what is the issue with that???? I don't get it. So what if the therapist has a cost (please tell me who does *not* have a professional fee) and that therapist is committed to their client which means confidentiality. That is what their job is. *FOR* their client! I cannot understand why there are so many who have issues with that. As far as the discussion that was shared here, again, concerning abuse, I get abuse. I do not judge any person who has had to deal with it. If anything, I have more empathy and compassion for them. However, that said, any person who has been through abuse should understand the different types of abuse, the cost to the victim, and that it is not something that is or can be physically seen. Nor should abuse ever be placed as one size fits all. It does not. No differently than many I was also abused. No, I did not beat or murder anyone. I have also learned the person who has been abused does not follow some pattern. In discussing the abused person we must always remember that the person has their own identity that does not fall into some fixed category. I sure as hell didn't and I think it is a huge injustice to place any person into one.

This towns LE failed in their investigation, the victims, and this child. This is the type of case that makes those who live where they do or care throw their hands up and say, "Why should we be involved when it makes no difference".

Rant over.

 

[SoobsinMI]

He should not be treated any differently than any other juvenile there imo. If they have to abide by the same rules then he has too also.

imo

He's already being treated differently. The judge has made rulings that he wouldn't have made for another defendant. I'd like to see him treated the same as "any other 8 year old double murder defendant." Won't happen, as there aren't any.

 

[seashore]

No, the residue testing is not reliable hence the linked I shared earlier. Obviously, it was missed. That's really too bad....

As far as the link providing news release from Roy Melnick, please. That thing reads like a resume from JobSeekers. Any LE official that puts out there such an article is arrogant. Especially considering this is NOT a closed case on any level.

As far has this child having a therapist, what is the issue with that???? I don't get it. So what if the therapist has a cost (please tell me who does *not* have a professional fee) and that therapist is committed to their client which means confidentiality. That is what their job is. *FOR* their client! I cannot understand why there are so many who have issues with that. As far as the discussion that was shared here, again, concerning abuse, I get abuse. I do not judge any person who has had to deal with it. If anything, I have more empathy and compassion for them. However, that said, any person who has been through abuse should understand the different types of abuse, the cost to the victim, and that it is not something that is or can be physically seen. Nor should abuse ever be placed as one size fits all. It does not. No differently than many I was also abused. No, I did not beat or murder anyone. I have also learned the person who has been abused does not follow some pattern. In discussing the abused person we must always remember that the person has their own identity that does not fall into some fixed category. I sure as hell didn't and I think it is a huge injustice to place any person into one.

This towns LE failed in their investigation, the victims, and this child. This is the type of case that makes those who live where they do or care throw their hands up and say, "Why should we be involved when it makes no difference".

Rant over.

Thank you Ordinary Life. You have stated what I have been trying to convey. I just let this get to me so bad that I was not as eloquent as you. Thank you. I hope others can see what we are trying to state.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

#1- gunshot residue tests ARE NOT RELIABLE, therefore DOES NOT SHOW PROBABLE CAUSE

GSR is used in trial testimony and murder cases everyday in this country when the murder was by a firearm. That is why they are so many GSR experts in this country. They testify in trials both for the State and Defense. Yeah the defense expert will opine it is not reliable, like we haven't heard that before. So there will always be opposing experts like there is in each and every case that is tried. But one thing that cant be denied. He had it on him and as one expert said it puts him at the scene of the crime. The other evidence will bolster further that he was the sole shooter imo.

Only the FBI doesn't test for GSR anymore but this is NOT a federal case.

Yes, it does show probable cause. Probable cause is a very low burden to meet in the first place.

If GSR had not been found whatsoever that could refute that he wasn't the killer but by finding GSR on his clothing it meets the probable cause requirement.

It is obvious that Judge Roca believes probable cause has been met. This boy is still held in the detention center.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2006/05/fbi-scraps-gsr-tests.html

FBI lab scraps gunfire residue

By Julie Bykowicz


Special Agent Ann Todd, spokeswoman for the FBI Laboratory, said the change was communicated electronically to FBI field offices on March 15, though it has not been widely publicized.

Todd said the FBI stopped analyzing gunshot residue because of a shift in priorities, not a lack of confidence in the science.[/B]

The lab had performed the analysis for decades but in recent years had been receiving fewer than 10 requests per year, she said. The agency decided its resources were better used in "areas that directly relate to fighting terrorism," she said.

 

[seashore]

GSR is used in trial testimony and murder cases everyday in this country when the murder was by a firearm. That is why they are so many GSR experts in this country. They testify in trials both for the State and Defense. Yeah the defense expert will opine it is not reliable, like we haven't heard that before. So there will always be opposing experts like there is in each and every case that is tried. But one thing that cant be denied. He had it on him and as one expert said it puts him at the scene of the crime. The other evidence will bolster further that he was the sole shooter imo.

Only the FBI doesn't test for GSR anymore but this is NOT a federal case.

Yes, it does show probable cause. Probable cause is a very low burden to meet in the first place.

If GSR had not been found whatsoever that could refute that he wasn't the killer but by finding GSR on his clothing it meets the probable cause requirement.

It is obvious that Judge Roca believes probable cause has been met. This boy is still held in the detention center.

1) There is good reason we have heard it before. Because it is not reliable.
2) Yes he was at the scene of the crime. This does not mean he pulled the trigger. He lives there for pete's sake
3) OK, I concede the point that probable cause is very low burden to meet. However, it is exactly that, a very low burden. That doesn't make it so.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

1) There is good reason we have heard it before. Because it is not reliable.
2) Yes he was at the scene of the crime. This does not mean he pulled the trigger. He lives there for pete's sake
3) OK, I concede the point that probable cause is very low burden to meet. However, it is exactly that, a very low burden. That doesn't make it so.

I have never said this one piece of evidence will prove that he is the shooter.

It can be a powerful piece of circumstantial evidence. That is why it is entered into so many trial where firearms were used to commit the murders. Even the FBI says the science is still a valid science. It along with the totality of all the evidence is what JR will use to determine guilt or innocence. I am sure he has had other cases that involves GSR found on a suspect's clothing.

What also will weigh heavier, even the experts who have commented in the media, is that the amount found is a significant amount. I am sure JR is intelligent enough to know had the clothes been taken that very night and tested, the particles found would be even higher than the significant amount found when his clothing were taken the following day. After he had come in physical contact with many loved ones who hugged and loved on him, causing the GSR to sluff off of his clothing.

I have yet to find a case where the suspect had over three dozen GSR particles found on their clothing. It is usually a much lessor amount.

imo

 

[MeoW333]

http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2006/05/fbi-scraps-gsr-tests.html

FBI lab scraps gunfire residue

By Julie Bykowicz


Special Agent Ann Todd, spokeswoman for the FBI Laboratory, said the change was communicated electronically to FBI field offices on March 15, though it has not been widely publicized.

Todd said the FBI stopped analyzing gunshot residue because of a shift in priorities, not a lack of confidence in the science.[/B]

The lab had performed the analysis for decades but in recent years had been receiving fewer than 10 requests per year, she said. The agency decided its resources were better used in "areas that directly relate to fighting terrorism," she said.

Good article, OBE, also stated in the article:

"The lab had performed the analysis for decades but in recent years had been receiving fewer than 10 requests per year, she said. The agency decided its resources were better used in "areas that directly relate to fighting terrorism," she said.

But the FBI's abandonment of the evidence followed a closed-door summit last June to discuss its gunshot residue policies and subsequent tests at the agency's crime lab in Quantico, Va.

The resulting contamination study, obtained by The Sun, documents the presence of hundreds of particles consistent with gunshot residue in several areas of the lab. Such contamination could jeopardize criminal cases because it casts doubt on the origin of the residue in a sample."

...."Gunshot residue is made up of the microscopic particles that explode from a gun when it is fired. The particles can be collected from suspects' hands, analyzed and used as evidence in court.Called "GSR," the particles float like ash and never disintegrate. There can be a danger that surfaces - from a police officer's hands to laboratory work tables - can become contaminated and then contaminate fresh samples."

.."Frederic Whitehurst, a former FBI crime lab employee who became a whistle-blower in 1997 when he questioned the lab's evidence handling, said the science behind gunshot residue analysis is basically sound. It's the unavoidable contamination, he said, that has been a pervasive problem.

A.J. Schwoeble, director of forensic science at Pennsylvania-based RJ Lee Group, which services 500 law enforcement agencies and crime labs, said contamination concerns can be overcome.

Police departments and crime labs simply must take precautions, he said, such as wearing gloves at the crime scene, storing samples in sealed vials and frequently testing the lab.Three years ago, the FBI opened a $130 million, 500,000-square- foot laboratory on its campus in Quantico."

http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2006/05/fbi-scraps-gsr-tests.html

We know for certain that in this case, the clothing from the boy that he wore the day of the murders was not taken right away, and that many had touched the boy in the time between when it was actually taken. I don't see how they could use GSR in this case.

 

[seashore]

Good article, OBE, also stated in the article:

"The lab had performed the analysis for decades but in recent years had been receiving fewer than 10 requests per year, she said. The agency decided its resources were better used in "areas that directly relate to fighting terrorism," she said.

But the FBI's abandonment of the evidence followed a closed-door summit last June to discuss its gunshot residue policies and subsequent tests at the agency's crime lab in Quantico, Va.

The resulting contamination study, obtained by The Sun, documents the presence of hundreds of particles consistent with gunshot residue in several areas of the lab. Such contamination could jeopardize criminal cases because it casts doubt on the origin of the residue in a sample."

...."Gunshot residue is made up of the microscopic particles that explode from a gun when it is fired. The particles can be collected from suspects' hands, analyzed and used as evidence in court.Called "GSR," the particles float like ash and never disintegrate. There can be a danger that surfaces - from a police officer's hands to laboratory work tables - can become contaminated and then contaminate fresh samples."

.."Frederic Whitehurst, a former FBI crime lab employee who became a whistle-blower in 1997 when he questioned the lab's evidence handling, said the science behind gunshot residue analysis is basically sound. It's the unavoidable contamination, he said, that has been a pervasive problem.

A.J. Schwoeble, director of forensic science at Pennsylvania-based RJ Lee Group, which services 500 law enforcement agencies and crime labs, said contamination concerns can be overcome.

Police departments and crime labs simply must take precautions, he said, such as wearing gloves at the crime scene, storing samples in sealed vials and frequently testing the lab.Three years ago, the FBI opened a $130 million, 500,000-square- foot laboratory on its campus in Quantico."

http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2006/05/fbi-scraps-gsr-tests.html

We know for certain that in this case, the clothing from the boy that he wore the day of the murders was not taken right away, and that many had touched the boy in the time between when it was actually taken. I don't see how they could use GSR in this case.

DITTO MewO. Another thing to consider is that his clothes were very dirty. 1) he put on dirty clothes that day and the GSR could have already been there or
2) he had been playing outside before the shootings and actually walked in on the crime and is covering up for someone or is too scared to say who did it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good article, OBE, also stated in the article:

"The lab had performed the analysis for decades but in recent years had been receiving fewer than 10 requests per year, she said. The agency decided its resources were better used in "areas that directly relate to fighting terrorism," she said.

But the FBI's abandonment of the evidence followed a closed-door summit last June to discuss its gunshot residue policies and subsequent tests at the agency's crime lab in Quantico, Va.

The resulting contamination study, obtained by The Sun, documents the presence of hundreds of particles consistent with gunshot residue in several areas of the lab. Such contamination could jeopardize criminal cases because it casts doubt on the origin of the residue in a sample."

...."Gunshot residue is made up of the microscopic particles that explode from a gun when it is fired. The particles can be collected from suspects' hands, analyzed and used as evidence in court.Called "GSR," the particles float like ash and never disintegrate. There can be a danger that surfaces - from a police officer's hands to laboratory work tables - can become contaminated and then contaminate fresh samples."

.."Frederic Whitehurst, a former FBI crime lab employee who became a whistle-blower in 1997 when he questioned the lab's evidence handling, said the science behind gunshot residue analysis is basically sound. It's the unavoidable contamination, he said, that has been a pervasive problem.

A.J. Schwoeble, director of forensic science at Pennsylvania-based RJ Lee Group, which services 500 law enforcement agencies and crime labs, said contamination concerns can be overcome.

Police departments and crime labs simply must take precautions, he said, such as wearing gloves at the crime scene, storing samples in sealed vials and frequently testing the lab.Three years ago, the FBI opened a $130 million, 500,000-square- foot laboratory on its campus in Quantico."
http://hi-caliber.blogspot.com/2006/05/fbi-scraps-gsr-tests.html

We know for certain that in this case, the clothing from the boy that he wore the day of the murders was not taken right away, and that many had touched the boy in the time between when it was actually taken. I don't see how they could use GSR in this case.

Why? Even though he had been touched, he still had a significant amount found on his clothing.

And again it is only one piece of evidence that points to him and imo there will be more. All of them will not be considered as mere coincidences imo.

And they did wear gloves at the crime scene.

And the article is about FBI testing. This was not done in a FBI lab but one out of Bexar County Texas, where Vincent Di Maio was the ME for many years.

imo