AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[Linda7NJ]

The hatred and lack of compassion for these PEOPLE by some on this board is frightening. I imagine it's very much like what they're forced to deal with in their daily lives. Fortunately, I know that Eryn and CR have a significant network of support that is doing everything in their power to assist them.

To those who have somehow managed to psychologically evaluate this boy - and his mother - without ever having met either one of them, I implore you to contact the court with your expert diagnoses, without delay, so that this case can move along. Clearly, you have some insight that the doctors have yet to gain. I think it's yet another travesty to have the good folks of AZ pay more for the evaluation when it's clearly been completed.

And I must ask those who insist that Eryn abandoned CR during his formative years and continued to neglect him in later years; how is it that you've deduced SHE is responsible for raising a murderer? This child was primarily raised by his father. For all intents and purposes, he was under his father's "supervision" when the murders occurred. I don't believe he's killed anyone since being in Eryn's care.

I'm quite certain Liz wants a gun to PROTECT her grandson and the rest of her family from the "lynch mob" of St. John. Can't say I blame her. IMO, CR is in much more danger than anyone else in that town.

"hatred" hmmmm...none here. You want to see "hatred" ?? Go look at the Casey Anthony board.

I hope the "network" is hard at work trying to get the mother a CLUE!

I view & evaluate this case just like any other.

It should be a surprise to no one that I am not fond of murderers, regardless how old they are.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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And I must ask those who insist that Eryn abandoned CR during his formative years and continued to neglect him in later years; how is it that you've deduced SHE is responsible for raising a murderer? This child was primarily raised by his father. For all intents and purposes, he was under his father's "supervision" when the murders occurred. I don't believe he's killed anyone since being in Eryn's care.

I'm quite certain Liz wants a gun to PROTECT her grandson and the rest of her family from the "lynch mob" of St. John. Can't say I blame her. IMO, CR is in much more danger than anyone else in that town.

first paragraph...has been asked and answered...repeatedly

Second paragraph...so what was he doing at that ball field? Who took him there? Liz? His mother? or did he venture out all by himself?

 

[southcitymom]

Ya gotta wonder what that boy was even doing at the ball field, if the death threats are true.

Makes me think he was there on his own and totally unsupervised. and THAT'S SUPER SCARY to me!

It would be hard to know how to supervise him AND try to give him a normal, balanced life - which is what his Mom and family are charged with doing, it seems. Very challenging. I recall that he was quite active and into sports, so of course a ballpark would hold some allure for him. A "normal" 9 year old could hang out at a Little League game without parental hovering. I just don't think we have enough information to know what happened and why it's so bothersome.

When is the hearing - does anyone recall offhand?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Is he not allowed around people, OBE - is that a term of his probation?

Well we know that because he has not been assessed yet the issue still stands whether he is a danger to himself or to others. Since that has not been determined then I would think it would mean that certain venues may not be approved.

That is one of the reasons he was not returned to public schools where he would be around other children. Frankly I think the school system does not want him back and are thinking about the disruption it would bring and they do not think it is in the best interest of the children as a whole.

imo

 

[chicagofa13]

I washed my hands of this case a long time ago, but curiosity got the best of me. This kid is out in the world? FREE? Running around?? Sheesh. Sorry to all the posters here that I respect so much, but we differ on this one. Sociopath, psychopath, whatever you want to call him, the kid needs to be locked up.

 

[Fairy1]

I washed my hands of this case a long time ago, but curiosity got the best of me. This kid is out in the world? FREE? Running around?? Sheesh. Sorry to all the posters here that I respect so much, but we differ on this one. Sociopath, psychopath, whatever you want to call him, the kid needs to be locked up.

Totally get where you're coming from. But honestly, if the court truly believed he is a danger to ANYONE - he would be locked up. He's not and they really don't seem to be in any rush to get the situation resolved.

 

[colette]

In my area no one is supposed to be in the dugout except the team. Here it is considered very bad form to even try to sit in there if you aren't a team member. I have seen a kid try to sit in the dugout, the team looked at him like he was crazy and told him to leave.
Dugout... off limits for non-team members.... especially a confessed double murderer.

As far as his mother... she knows what the court expects and she isn't in compliance. Most of us would do what the court tells us, it speaks volumes that she thinks she doesn't have to follow the law.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No SCM, it's not.

We really don't know that.

At the end of the plea agreement and stipulations it also says at the very end "any other directives issued by the court." (paraphrasing)

imo

 

[Fairy1]

In my area no one is supposed to be in the dugout except the team. Here it is considered very bad form to even try to sit in there if you aren't a team member. I have seen a kid try to sit in the dugout, the team looked at him like he was crazy and told him to leave.
Dugout... off limits for non-team members.... especially a confessed double murderer.

As far as his mother... she knows what the court expects and she isn't in compliance. Most of us would do what the court tells us, it speaks volumes that she thinks she doesn't have to follow the law.

Well, the allegations have yet to be addressed in court. I will wait to hear the facts. I don't believe anyone here knows what Eryn "thinks" about anything...IMO

 

[Fairy1]

We really don't know that.

At the end of the plea agreement and stipulations it also says at the very end "any other directives issued by the court." (paraphrasing)

imo

If that were the case, he would not be living freely amongst the good folks of St. John. He would be locked up.....somewhere. This is just common sense.

 

[mostlylurking]

I've tried to make myself not post, as I'm afraid I'm just going to go ballistic on this.
First, no, I don't have links. Take it as opion.

I believe the following will be proven.
Mom had written permission to take child with her to NM. Record of permission was not provided from one dept to another in the town legal system.
School was not in progress the days of the trip, thus the permission.
Grandmother's inquiry on gun has been misinterpreted & she will be asked to testify on that.
Dugout issue does not have a formal complaint made by anyone, other than the mention by Whiting. Who complained? What was real issue? (as an aside, I was at little league in my town tonight & a large number of kids and parents go in and out of the dugouts regularly)
Can't speak to the friend of mom or his history. I hope that is wrong, or cleared up.
Child is eligible for SSI, hasn't been approved yet.
Mom is taking child to all the counseling as required. She get's reimbursed after the fact by state, so travel to get there is difficult on costs up front.

Don't remember the other issues.

Again, my opinion, and no links.

 

[Lovejac]

All of this has me wondering if the mother & grandmother want him to be locked up again. MOO

 

[mostlylurking]

All of this has me wondering if the mother & grandmother want him to be locked up again. MOO

No, they do not want that.

 

[Fairy1]

I've tried to make myself not post, as I'm afraid I'm just going to go ballistic on this.
First, no, I don't have links. Take it as opion.

I believe the following will be proven.
Mom had written permission to take child with her to NM. Record of permission was not provided from one dept to another in the town legal system.
School was not in progress the days of the trip, thus the permission.
Grandmother's inquiry on gun has been misinterpreted & she will be asked to testify on that.
Dugout issue does not have a formal complaint made by anyone, other than the mention by Whiting. Who complained? What was real issue? (as an aside, I was at little league in my town tonight & a large number of kids and parents go in and out of the dugouts regularly)
Can't speak to the friend of mom or his history. I hope that is wrong, or cleared up.
Child is eligible for SSI, hasn't been approved yet.
Mom is taking child to all the counseling as required. She get's reimbursed after the fact by state, so travel to get there is difficult on costs up front.

Don't remember the other issues.

Again, my opinion, and no links.

Thank you, brave one!

 

[mostlylurking]

Thank you, brave one!

 

[southcitymom]

All of this has me wondering if the mother & grandmother want him to be locked up again. MOO

I don't feel that way - just my opinion, of course.

 

[southcitymom]

Totally get where you're coming from. But honestly, if the court truly believed he is a danger to ANYONE - he would be locked up. He's not and they really don't seem to be in any rush to get the situation resolved.

I absolutely agree with this.

 

[dgfred]

I think she is trying to get the gun on the pretense that she feels threatened by having the boy there because some citizens in that town have made it known they don't want him there. But IF she keeps this boy inside her home then she can have no weapons of any kind in her home and if she does go against the guidelines of the probation it makes him in violation of his probation. If she can go to the police about this then I am sure she can call 911 and they will come immediately should she need them. I also think LE is very aware of the unrest it is causing citizens by CR being out on the streets in St. John.

Are you saying he DID have adult supervision but he disobeyed the adult and ran into the dugout anyway causing a disruption?

If she has no money then how did she afford to go to NM?

So she was there every minute with him yet he still did not go to his expected detention school classes? Why didn't she leave the boy with Liz rather than taking him to the convicted felon's house knowing she would be in violation of her son's probation? Maybe she thinks one felon hanging around another felon is cool, she had already been warned about associating with the felon once before.

If I was this mother then I would do everything in my power to see that each and every prong of my son's probation was done to the letter of the court. If she is watching him 24/7 every minute then why is there a motion to revoke his furlough?

imo

Your point about grandma- WRONG (maybe the gun wasn't even for her).
Your point about dugout- WRONG (where is evidence he even did this). Do you know if was just 'around' the ballpark? NOPE
Maybe some people are 'trying' to help with donations and such since she cannot get any benefits until after the fact from the courts. I imagine it is tough to get anything done with no job, and no real sourse of income.
Your point about classes- WRONG, no classes that day(s).
Your point about motion to revoke furlough- WRONG (it is rumor and inuendo, not actual facts).

Well, it seems you once again are quite off the mark. IMO

 

[dgfred]

Even the boy's own attorney hasn't denied the allegations. That should tell you something.

It really doesn't matter WHY granny wanted the gun. The fact is the boy can NOT be in a house with a gun. Period. Granny knew that.

The boy can NOT associated with felons. Period. His mother knew that and was warned before.

Yes, life must be tough for poor Eryn. :sick: She whines the boy isn't being educated, she can't homeschool him...arrangements are made for his education....and the kids a no show.

She whines she can't transport the kid to appointments...state gives her money.

She's whining she can't take him to the dentist

She can't work

She can't provide a home

What is it she IS doing???

Because she certainly is not following the rules mandated by the court as part of her son's plea agreement. She's been a poor role model making one bad decision after another.

Why can't she work at night while the boy sleeps at Liz's house? IMO His mother is a loser. Plain and simple and she's the last person that should be responsible for this boy. She can't even take care of herself!!!

No need to deny, it is all bull as most have seen. That should SHOW you something. The revoke of furlough will be crushed in court, except I wouldn't be suprised if the mom is admonished for her contact with former friend.

Maybe Grandma was just asking and the gun wouldn't be in her house at all???

Maybe she had permission to go out of state and school wasn't in session, hmmmm, that knocks that arguement to little bitty pieces eh.

Of course she has to get money from the state for appointment they have required- she can't get a job because of requirements already... duh.

Where would money for the dentist come from??? duh.

Your opinion of a loser is irrelevent, the same could be said for many :whistle: , like certain uninformed posters IMO.

Seems she hasn't made too many poor decisions, like posting slanderous accusations before knowing actual facts.

 

[southcitymom]

Because so much of this child's case is being handled to protect his privacy, we don't have a lot of information. I'm real okay with his case being dealt with "undercover", however, the fact that we don't get lots of facts leads to more pure speculation than may go on in other cases, I think. And each of us filters what little information we DO have through our own perspectives, of course.