AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[Linda7NJ]

You may be in contact with someone from St. Johns that knew the victims, but they would NOT know what the evaluations are. There's only a select few who know what's in those reports, UNLESS someone is violating the gag order.

Without knowing what's in those reports, we cannot know what the problem is with this child. Therefore, there's just as much chance that there WAS abuse as there was NOT. It doesn't matter what 'friends' say, they weren't there every day and night behind those closed doors. Anything could have been happening.

Releasing the results of the reports COULD possibly bring more heartache to this family. Having a need to be right in our own opinion isn't necessary and cannot be accomplished here because we're not in the 'loop.'

Have a nice Thanksgiving,
Sincerely,
fran

I don't understand what you mean by the above bolded by me.

It's my opinion, that if what the other poster is claiming is true, and this boy was indeed severely abused, in some way, that information would garner sympathy for him in the community and be a hugely mitigating factor. I also believe his attorney would have said so. Instead he denied there was any abuse.

It's almost as though some here need a reason to turn this into a justifiable homicide. If that were the case, his attorney would have said so. His mother should have said so. IMO

If he isn't disturbed and is perfectly normal...well that would be really nice to know as well. I just do not believe that's the case here. If he is not in need of an intensive therapeutic services placement outside of his home, he wouldn't be placed in a residential treatment facility. That's just common sense. This child IMO is far from perfectly normal.

It's my opinion the records are sealed not just because he's a minor, but because the information would be detrimental to him.

 

[dgfred]

You can tell me how "wrong" I am when the boy is sent to a residential treatment facility.......just as I predicted. I also predict he'll be spending at least a year there.

I don't blame you for being sooooo pissed that your analysis of this boy is sooooo far off the mark. In MY OPINION even 18 months is not too long for this boy as far as treatment needed for him... I don't think that is the amount of time you have been touting all along as needed, but I understand why you are saying that now to save face. You also have predicted and said MANY times that the boy has serious mental/emotional problems and have taken on any poster supporting the boy. Is 18 months going to satify your lust for punishment/treatment for the boy... or however you 'see' it? Is 18 months going to satisfy your contact within the area? Are you going to be pleased when he is back with his mom after this time trying to lead a somewhat normal life? It doesn't seem so from reading your spiteful post all this time.
First it was he needs inpatient treatment up until 15 or 18 years of age, now it is 18 months that is ok by you... which is it? Will 18 months be able to handle this massive problem this boy has in your opinion? Is this the outcome you have been championing for over a year... no.

 

[sdn8tv]

I understand this.

HOWEVER what you're touting is ONE SIDE. I too am in constant contact with someone that is/ was close to Vince, Tiffany and the boy. I was contacted because my opinion matches their own.

There are always two sides....this time we are simply on opposite sides. I stand by my opinion and respect yours.

Linda,
I know who you are in contact with...it's a small town. This person you refer to is angry...rightly so, angry this happened and has spewed many nasty things about this boy in many public forums, the family knows who this is too. Of course this person is going to tell you this did not happen, they don't want to believe it happened...they didn't know it happened.
Many people are surprised to know this was happening...many still cannot believe it or simply refuse to believe it. Also this person you are referring to does not have access to any of the private information. You can also tell this person that Liz is very disappointed how this person has betrayed the Romero family.

So to clarify...are you saying there are two sides to child abuse?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't blame you for being soooo pissed that your analysis of this boy is soooo far off the mark. In MY OPINION even 18 months is not too long for this boy as far as treatment needed for him... I don't think that is the amount of time you have been touting all along as needed, but I understand why you are saying that now to save face. You also have predicted and said MANY times that the boy has serious mental/emotional problems and have taken on any poster supporting the boy. Is 18 months going to satisfy your lust for punishment/treatment for the boy... or however you 'see' it? Is 18 months going to satisfy your contact within the area? Are you going to be pleased when he is back with his mom after this time trying to lead a somewhat normal life? It doesn't seem so from reading your spiteful post all this time.
First it was he needs inpatient treatment up until 15 or 18 years of age, now it is 18 months that is ok by you... which is it? Will 18 months be able to handle this massive problem this boy has in your opinion? Is this the outcome you have been championing for over a year... no.

What I think he needs and what I think he will get, are two entirely different things.


"off the mark" You're kidding right?

You are the one that has been consistently wrong about this case and the boy. You claimed the two men were murdered by multiple drug dealing shooters using an automatic 22. You said no way was the chipmunk the murder weapon. You even went as far as predicting the "real killer" was about to be caught and it wouldn't be the boy, You said even a grown man couldn't do it with the Chipmunk. You RREFUSED to even consider the boy was guilty.
Way back when...you were so confident, you said you would call me psychic if the boy turned out to be the killer.............

Yet in your eyes ...I am "off the mark" ROFLMAO

I've put up with your condescending snarky and rude comments from the beginning of this case. Your inability to admit you were wrong again and again is astounding....but to twist that around and state I've been off the mark..is ...well LAUGHABLE.

The PSYCHIC:blushing:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda,
I know who you are in contact with...it's a small town. This person you refer to is angry...rightly so, angry this happened and has spewed many nasty things about this boy in many public forums, the family knows who this is too. Of course this person is going to tell you this did not happen, they don't want to believe it happened...they didn't know it happened.
Many people are surprised to know this was happening...many still cannot believe it or simply refuse to believe it. Also this person you are referring to does not have access to any of the private information. You can also tell this person that Liz is very disappointed how this person has betrayed the Romero family.

So to clarify...are you saying there are two sides to child abuse?

To clarify, I believe this boy is a liar and a cold blooded murder.

If he wasn't such a liar, perhaps I would believe his "tale" of abuse...but he lied about that too. So no, I don't believe him. I also don't believe there is a single shred of evidence to back up his claims.

I will say, if I believed for a second that my son killed two people because he was being abused by them...I'd say so.

You're trying to convince me that his father and Tim were abusing this child...I'm just not buying it. Never will without evidence.

It's actually more than one person, but I will pass along what you said. I believe the person that betrayed the Romero family is the boy.

 

[dgfred]

What I think he needs and what I think he will get, are two entirely different things.


"off the mark" You're kidding right?

You are the one that has been consistently wrong about this case and the boy. You claimed the two men were murdered by multiple drug dealing shooters using an automatic 22. You said no way was the chipmunk the murder weapon. You even went as far as predicting the "real killer" was about to be caught and it wouldn't be the boy, You said even a grown man couldn't do it with the Chipmunk. You RREFUSED to even consider the boy was guilty.
Way back when...you were so confident, you said you would call me psychic if the boy turned out to be the killer.............

Yet in your eyes ...I am "off the mark" ROFLMAO

I've put up with your condescending snarky and rude comments from the beginning of this case. Your inability to admit you were wrong again and again is astounding....but to twist that around and state I've been off the mark..is ...well LAUGHABLE.

The PSYCHIC:blushing:

Oooooh, much anger issues?

I never claimed anything, I just stated what 'could' have happened and other possible scenarios. I still do not believe it happened the way LE has stated it did. I never said the Chipmunk was NOT the murder weapon, just the possibility of another weapon (say an auto .22). I still think there is more to what happened than we know about... but posting about it with you is 'laughable'... in that you are right. Refusing to see the other side is your game.

Where did I predict the 'real' killer was about to be caught??? Do you have a link for that?

The ONLY thing I did was try to have an open mind about what happened, since we have so little in evidence and details. Try it sometime, you might like it.

You 'putting up with condenscending snarky and rude comments' is the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone following this thread has seen that but only from you. It is you that can not keep a civil conversation going without using these tactics and getting angry.

Funny that now you say 18 months in therapy is reasonable for a 'lying cold blooded killer with severe psychological problems'... astounding is right.

You keep saying you will not debate with me any further or you will not take the bait... I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oooooh, much anger issues?

I never claimed anything, I just stated what 'could' have happened and other possible scenarios. I still do not believe it happened the way LE has stated it did. I never said the Chipmunk was NOT the murder weapon, just the possibility of another weapon (say an auto .22). I still think there is more to what happened than we know about... but posting about it with you is 'laughable'... in that you are right. Refusing to see the other side is your game.

Where did I predict the 'real' killer was about to be caught??? Do you have a link for that?

The ONLY thing I did was try to have an open mind about what happened, since we have so little in evidence and details. Try it sometime, you might like it.

You 'putting up with condenscending snarky and rude comments' is the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone following this thread has seen that but only from you. It is you that can not keep a civil conversation going without using these tactics and getting angry.

Funny that now you say 18 months in therapy is reasonable for a 'lying cold blooded killer with severe psychological problems'... astounding is right.

You keep saying you will not debate with me any further or you will not take the bait... I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm PMing you this exchange as well as the link

 

[dgfred]

Put what you have to say here, we have seen it before. Just end it with Happy Thanksgiving or something so you will still have the last say in the thread as usual.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda,
I know who you are in contact with...it's a small town. This person you refer to is angry...rightly so, angry this happened and has spewed many nasty things about this boy in many public forums, the family knows who this is too. Of course this person is going to tell you this did not happen, they don't want to believe it happened...they didn't know it happened.
Many people are surprised to know this was happening...many still cannot believe it or simply refuse to believe it. Also this person you are referring to does not have access to any of the private information. You can also tell this person that Liz is very disappointed how this person has betrayed the Romero family.

So to clarify...are you saying there are two sides to child abuse?

Remember this?


Others said the boy was aggressive at times, arrogant, manipulative and a "bully" but that he wasn't temperamental. At least two relatives told investigators the boy had threatened his father. One of Romero's cousins, Justin Romero, said he "did not put it beyond" the boy that he could have committed the crimes, given his ability to handle a gun.
Stevie Romero, another of Romero's cousins, said that during a family reunion in August, the boy had threatened to either shoot or kill his dad, but that the statement was made out of anger, according to documents.
"How dare you say that?" the cousin quoted Vincent Romero as saying as the boy ran off.
Stevie Romero said he never had seen the boy act that way before.
One of Romero's uncles told investigators he also heard the boy make threatening remarks about his father. Paul Romero said he overheard the boy during a recent hunting trip say, "One day I'm going to kill him."
Paul Romero said his nephew was upset with the boy for an unknown reason and responded by slapping him. The documents don't say when the hunting trip took place

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/109706.php




I do

 

[Linda7NJ]

Put what you have to say here, we have seen it before. Just end it with Happy Thanksgiving or something so you will still have the last say in the thread as usual.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348889&page=5


Happy Thanksgiving!

The PSYCHIC

 

[dgfred]

Thanks. It seems you might be snipping a bit like you have in your signature.

You know I never claimed I knew exactly what happened and was ONLY giving out other possible scenarios. I still do not believe the single shot bolt action rifle was only used, but that is just me I guess. It is you that REFUSE to look at other possible angles and post angrily at others opposing your views. There is really no need for it.
If I recall we were discussing how wrong you were about the boy's mental/psychological problems and what would be his treatment... not what we were discussing when this first happened. Still we do not know what exactly happened that day. But you can be a psychic if you wish... reach around and pat yourself on the back.

 

[trofanji]

Remember this?


Others said the boy was aggressive at times, arrogant, manipulative and a "bully" but that he wasn't temperamental. At least two relatives told investigators the boy had threatened his father. One of Romero's cousins, Justin Romero, said he "did not put it beyond" the boy that he could have committed the crimes, given his ability to handle a gun.
Stevie Romero, another of Romero's cousins, said that during a family reunion in August, the boy had threatened to either shoot or kill his dad, but that the statement was made out of anger, according to documents.
"How dare you say that?" the cousin quoted Vincent Romero as saying as the boy ran off.
Stevie Romero said he never had seen the boy act that way before.
One of Romero's uncles told investigators he also heard the boy make threatening remarks about his father. Paul Romero said he overheard the boy during a recent hunting trip say, "One day I'm going to kill him."
Paul Romero said his nephew was upset with the boy for an unknown reason and responded by slapping him. The documents don't say when the hunting trip took place

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/109706.php




I do

But the article stated also:

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"None of these people came forward before this event and said anything. It was always after the fact," Brewer said. "I think the majority of people have picked their side. They could very easily tend to remember facts or embellish statements that may not be as powerful as they seem."

After the fact you can't say anything unbiased

I personal like the comment below it says all !

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Kid threatens to kill dad, and dad doesn't take away his gun ??? bad move, dad.

 

[dgfred]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348889&page=5


Happy Thanksgiving!

The PSYCHIC

Wow :innocent: Funny you post a link that basically shows exactly what I was trying to describe in my earlier post about your attitude and what my beliefs were of other possible scenarios that day, NOT in your claim that I said someone else was going to be charged or in your prediction of the boy's treatment for his 'severe mental/psychological problems' :waitasec: . It shows too that we still do not know exactly what happened that day, and as things stand now it seems we may never know. Also interesting you would link to IS, everyone misses reading your post. Thanks.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks. It seems you might be snipping a bit like you have in your signature.

You know I never claimed I knew exactly what happened and was ONLY giving out other possible scenarios. I still do not believe the single shot bolt action rifle was only used, but that is just me I guess. It is you that REFUSE to look at other possible angles and post angrily at others opposing your views. There is really no need for it.
If I recall we were discussing how wrong you were about the boy's mental/psychological problems and what would be his treatment... not what we were discussing when this first happened. Still we do not know what exactly happened that day. But you can be a psychic if you wish... reach around and pat yourself on the back.

The very same could be said of you, for months you refused to even consider that he could be guilty.

It's presumptuous of you to assume I never considered other possible scenarios. You're wrong, I did consider them and still came to the conclusion he planned it, he alone carried it out, and he tried to cover it up. It just so happened I was right. It was my opinion, from the start, that he was guilty and would be sent to an RTC. I could have just as easily been wrong.

I'm not angry when I post, but rather amused at your purposeful misconstruing of my posts. I never claimed to be a psychic nor do I want the distinction. It was you that stated, that you would call me a psychic, if the boy was found to be the killer. I was merely pointing that out to you

Like I said, what I think should happen to him, is entirely different from what I believe will happen. I am sorry if you don't understand the distinction. I'm unable to make it any clearer.

I think he will be sentenced to 12-18 months.

Will I be happy if he receives 12-18 months in a RTC? Nope. But I'll be infinitely happier than I have been, with him residing with his mother.

Will I believe justice was served for the deaths of two men? Nope, not even close.

I believe he can't be fixed. But just in case I'm wrong...


I would want:
Him to receive intensive therapy at a RTC until he aged out. As I understand it, he will be under the courts supervision until that time. Not what I would have liked to see happen.

I would be happy to consider he's just a normal little boy as soon as I see those psychological evaluations and psychiatrists reports that say so. I'll even consider he may have been abused...again............ as soon as I see those evaluations and reports. Until then, my mind will not change. I need evidence. Because in my mind, desparate 8 Year old victims of child abuse, aren't sent away from home for intensive treatment and therapy for defending themselves.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But the article stated also:

Quote

"None of these people came forward before this event and said anything. It was always after the fact," Brewer said. "I think the majority of people have picked their side. They could very easily tend to remember facts or embellish statements that may not be as powerful as they seem."

After the fact you can't say anything unbiased

I personal like the comment below it says all !

Quote:

Kid threatens to kill dad, and dad doesn't take away his gun ??? bad move, dad.

BBM True...same could be said about the boy's defenders now claiming he was abused.

 

[sdn8tv]

To clarify, I believe this boy is a liar and a cold blooded murder.

If he wasn't such a liar, perhaps I would believe his "tale" of abuse...but he lied about that too. So no, I don't believe him. I also don't believe there is a single shred of evidence to back up his claims.

I will say, if I believed for a second that my son killed two people because he was being abused by them...I'd say so.

You're trying to convince me that his father and Tim were abusing this child...I'm just not buying it. Never will without evidence.

It's actually more than one person, but I will pass along what you said. I believe the person that betrayed the Romero family is the boy.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything...I could care less really what you believe. FOR THE RECORD...I never ever mentioned Tim...so don't put words in my mouth. What I do find funny is that you will believe what you are being told by other people without a shred of evidence...

 

[sdn8tv]

The very same could be said of you, for months you refused to even consider that he could be guilty.

It's presumptuous of you to assume I never considered other possible scenarios. You're wrong, I did consider them and still came to the conclusion he planned it, he alone carried it out, and he tried to cover it up. It just so happened I was right. It was my opinion, from the start, that he was guilty and would be sent to an RTC. I could have just as easily been wrong.

I'm not angry when I post, but rather amused at your purposeful misconstruing of my posts. I never claimed to be a psychic nor do I want the distinction. It was you that stated, that you would call me a psychic, if the boy was found to be the killer. I was merely pointing that out to you

Like I said, what I think should happen to him, is entirely different from what I believe will happen. I am sorry if you don't understand the distinction. I'm unable to make it any clearer.

I think he will be sentenced to 12-18 months.

Will I be happy if he receives 12-18 months in a RTC? Nope. But I'll be infinitely happier than I have been, with him residing with his mother.
Will I believe justice was served for the deaths of two men? Nope, not even close.

I believe he can't be fixed. But just in case I'm wrong...


I would want:
Him to receive intensive therapy at a RTC until he aged out. As I understand it, he will be under the courts supervision until that time. Not what I would have liked to see happen.

I would be happy to consider he's just a normal little boy as soon as I see those psychological evaluations and psychiatrists reports that say so. I'll even consider he may have been abused...again............ as soon as I see those evaluations and reports. Until then, my mind will not change. I need evidence. Because in my mind, desparate 8 Year old victims of child abuse, aren't sent away from home for intensive treatment and therapy for defending themselves.

BBM...I'm curious why anything that would happen in this case would make you "happy" or not...are you that emotionally attached to this case?

I think not...I think this is nothing more than a game of who can get the last word in...

 

[sdn8tv]

To clarify, I believe this boy is a liar and a cold blooded murder.

If he wasn't such a liar, perhaps I would believe his "tale" of abuse...but he lied about that too. So no, I don't believe him. I also don't believe there is a single shred of evidence to back up his claims.

I will say, if I believed for a second that my son killed two people because he was being abused by them...I'd say so.

You're trying to convince me that his father and Tim were abusing this child...I'm just not buying it. Never will without evidence.

It's actually more than one person, but I will pass along what you said. I believe the person that betrayed the Romero family is the boy.

To clarify again...this 8 year old child lived an idealyic disneyland life and just woke up one day and decided to kill his father and his roommate?

And that's the reason one of the first words out of his grandmother's mouth was "I knew this was going to happen, they were too hard on him"

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything...I could care less really what you believe. FOR THE RECORD...I never ever mentioned Tim...so don't put words in my mouth. What I do find funny is that you will believe what you are being told by other people without a shred of evidence...

Nope, I simply said, I was contacted by others because I have consistently posted on this case and apparently they have the same opinion. My opinions are my own and formed with the evidence available, professional experience and life experience. Have I heard some things that weren't reported or available in documents? You bet, those things have never figured into my opinions.

I saw that videotaped confession, I will admit my mind was pretty made up. As new information came to light or was discussed...I considered it....other scenarios just never made as much sense to me.

About Tim, Do you believe he was lured and executed because he was a witness? How do you excuse that or rationalize that? I am really taken back........and I need to understand you. In eariler posts you alluded to the boy being abused........my not knowing what went on in that house, the shootings understandable etc...I was under the impression you feel the boy is mentally stable. Is that correct?

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM...I'm curious why anything that would happen in this case would make you "happy" or not...are you that emotionally attached to this case?

I think not...I think this is nothing more than a game of who can get the last word in...

I was responding to dgfred

I get a little emotionally attached to every case I follow, so I resent the implication I'm just here to argue.