GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[MsAnais]

Apparently China was the next planned stop:

On July 4, Schaefer posted on Facebook that he was leaving for Indonesia on August 4, cryptically adding that he might never come back. Then, on August 10, he posted on his page that his next destination was China.

http://heavy.com/news/2014/08/heather-von-wiese-mack-boyfriend-sheila-von-wiese-suspect/

 

[jmcgladr]

Mmmm......

'Police said the couple told them they had been taken captive at the resort by an armed gang whose members killed Sheila Mack, and they later managed to escape, according to Trans TV.'

http://abc7chicago.com/news/american-mom-found-dead-in-suitcase-in-bali/255596/

Yeah, because armed gangs manage to stealthily infiltrate luxury hotels without drawing the attention of security all the time! /sarc Color me skeptical on that story!

 

[SouthAussie]

These two just really don't understand that they are in another country now, a non-allied country, and that their rights as US citizens do not count any more.

… police chief for Bali's provincial capital Denpasar, told reporters …. 'So far we haven't gotten any information on what is behind the murder. Is it financial or something else? We don't know.'

'She doesn't want to comment on the incident and she declined to give any information,' Haposan Sihombing, an Indonesian lawyer appointed by police to represent Mack, told Reuters last night.

… an Indonesian lawyer said the teen was demanding U.S. legal representation. Djoko said Thursday he was looking into whether it was possible under Indonesian law to meet that request.

Neither Mack nor Schaefer have been charged. However, Djoko said Thursday that the pair have been declared suspects in the case.

According to Indonesian law, police can keep suspects in custody for up to 20 days.

The two suspects will be questioned separately, he said, and Schaefer will also undergo a psychological assessment.

Mack and Schaefer were arrested at a budget hotel about a mile from the St. Regis after a day-long police search.

Staff at the Risata Bali resort said they were immediately suspicious of the couple after they checked in without any luggage.

Risata Bali security confirmed their identities after Schaefer asked resort staff for a voucher to use the Internet and they alerted authorities, said Nyoman Wija, a hotel manager.

Television footage showed the two being questioned by police with Schaefer in handcuffs. At one point, Mack is shown shielding her face with her hand asking a police official why a cameraman was being allowed to film her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-friends-going-meet-wasn-t-sure-d-return.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Consular staff are in contact with them, and probably doing what they can ....

U.S. State Department spokesman Marie Harf told Reuters it was aware of reports of a U.S. citizen's death in Bali and the arrests of two people in connection with the case.

'Obviously we are monitoring it and will provide any consular access as appropriate,' Ms Harf said, declining to give details due to privacy considerations.

An official with the U.S. consulate general in Bali, who met Mack at the police station on Thursday, declined to comment after the meeting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-friends-going-meet-wasn-t-sure-d-return.html

 

[katydid23]

I hope the US consulate lets Bali keep them and try them there. The murder was in Bali, not the US.

 

[newone]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/drug-trafficking-briton-death-sentence-appeal

hopefully someone will give the nasty 19 yr old brat some reading material like this above story to 'console' her about her charges and potential death penalty in that part of the world. The US consulate can only help so much.

 

[jmcgladr]

Indonesia does have the death penalty for premeditated murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Indonesia

Prisoners (particularly those convicted of murder, terrorism or drug offences) spend a long time languishing in prison before their sentence is finally carried out. They are woken up in the middle of the night and taken to a remote (and undisclosed) location and executed by firing squad.

They picked a bad country in which to commit this crime. Indonesia's criminal courts are very tough, and their prison conditions pretty squalid. Ms. Mack will not be living the luxury life she is used to, that's for sure!

 

[jmcgladr]

Result of search on HM's name - came up with following new video - says it's video from their visit to hotel they supposedly charged to her mom's credit card w/o mom's authorization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXPHfCxj_mY

A very bizarre video. The "squat squat squat" could be interpreted as them squatting in the hotel room, since they didn't pay for it and it was on a dead woman's card. The "put em in a coffin" seems a very damning word choice given the circumstances. Any idea who the other woman and dreadlocked guy were? Ms. Mack's bf seems to have his head shaved in all the pics I've seen. Maybe he grew dreads since?

 

[SouthAussie]

Here are a few images after the arrest and conviction of Aussie Schapelle Corby, in Bali ... just to give a feel for the jail conditions and political climate there.

The trial was conducted in Indonesian. The two hour verdict was read in Indonesian. Schapelle had to listen to her fate as a translater haltingly related only portions of it, because the judges were screaming so loud and talking so fast no one could humanly perform simultaneous translation. The prison guards and inmates don't speak English.

http://news.ubud.com/2005/05/corbys-drug-trial-and-australian.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/.../Indonesians-March-for-Schapelle-Corby-to-Die

 

[SouthAussie]

A neighbour has spoken of constant screaming matches at the home, and that the mother and daughter would regularly call the police on each other. The fighting would sometimes result in physical injuries, the neighbour said.

Mack, the daughter of acclaimed jazz and classical musician and composer James L Mack, was reportedly in and out of psychiatric treatment and known to suffer from psychotic episodes.

The Sun-Times reported a similar situation at a home where Schaefer previously lived with his mother, also in the Chicago suburb of Oak Park.

Former landlord Paul Kreiss said the woman he rented to had a son who caused a lot of problems. Police had to be called to the home from time to time, Kreiss said, and beer cans sometimes littered the yard.

http://www.news.com.au/world/heathe...la-von-wiesemack/story-fndir2ev-1227025862736

 

[Simply Caustic]

Per the NY Daily News article, Chicago police responded to the Mack residence for domestic violence and theft calls 86 times in the past ten years. 86 TIMES.

This is speculation on my part, but I find it interesting that they killed her in Bali - and she seems surprised when her cries of "But I'm an AMERICAN!!!" aren't found to be impressive. Had she killed her mother here in Chicago, the police would've instantly suspected her, due to the past incidents with her mom. So she couldn't do it here. I can't help but think that she greatly underestimated the police and legal system over there - she probably thought she could simply walk away with ease.

Did she really think she was slick enough to get away with murder? After leaving her Mother's body in a suitcase...a bloody one?

She's the talk of the town, and I rarely bring up current crime/missing person events to my friends...but this one, I've been asking everyone's opinion.

I'm glad she was charged! But why did she hire an attorney who specializes in divorces and child custody? And, a Chi-town attorney? Why? If I had unlimited funds to blow, I would go to the best. And, Kirkland and Ellis is the most powerful, vicious, well-known firm in Chicago (JMO). They come along with a sickeningly massive price tag, but they get the job done, and although they're not likely to do criminal law, I guarantee they have a referral on standby for their clients who have a run-in with the law.

If I were ever in the unfathomable position of facing criminal charges in Bali, I would hire an attorney who was well-versed in the law, there, and perhaps an attorney in Chicago to consult with him.

I hope her Mother's estate isn't paying for her legal team.

 

[east2west]

Apparently China was the next planned stop:

On July 4, Schaefer posted on Facebook that he was leaving for Indonesia on August 4, cryptically adding that he might never come back. Then, on August 10, he posted on his page that his next destination was China.

http://heavy.com/news/2014/08/heather-von-wiese-mack-boyfriend-sheila-von-wiese-suspect/

I would be surprised if China really was his next destination as U.S nationals require a Visa to enter Mainland China. That typically involves advance paperwork, money for the application fees, sending your passport off for the visa stamp, as well as the waiting period. I'd be surprised if he actually had a Visa for China.
Jmo

 

[SouthAussie]

These two are not the sharpest tools in the tool shed.

They seem to think they have US rights in Bali, they seem to think that concealing a body in a suitcase in a taxi is a smart thing to do, and that the hotel would just hand over Sheila's safety deposit box.

They seem to think they can just get another passport at the airport .... that they can 'hide out' by having sex and snoozing in a hotel near the airport, that they can just fly off to somewhere else and escape the trouble they are in.

.

 

[nightwatch]

Looks like there's a growing lump in the middle of her forehead?

http://www.bt.com.bn/news-asia/2014/08/15/daughter-tourist-killed-bali-demands-us-lawyer

More like a horn.

ciao

 

[Hatfield]

Here are a few images after the arrest and conviction of Aussie Schapelle Corby, in Bali ... just to give a feel for the jail conditions and political climate there.

http://news.ubud.com/2005/05/corbys-drug-trial-and-australian.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/.../Indonesians-March-for-Schapelle-Corby-to-Die

OMG...thanks for posting this. So it really is as bad as those "Locked Up Abroad" shows I watch.

Those shows scare the living crap out of me.

Word of warning to anybody. When traveling abroad, do NOT ever get arrested.

People from US can be very naive when traveling abroad. You literally have no US rights as you know it once you leave the country. People mistakenly think that they can receive the same things we take for granted here.
Like 1 phone call within 24 hours, US attorney representations, Bail, a speedy trial, etc.

There may be no such thing as a speedy trial in some countries. And some countries will let you squander in jail even before your case comes up on the docket which can be weeks or months.

I avoid traveling to other countries just because of this fear I have. I may miss out on seeing nice places but the way I look at it is the US has plenty of nice places I have yet to see and am just happy to visit locally. I do understand some people have to travel for thier jobs , family, or other reasons.

The main thing is to be aware of all this and learn as much as possible at what you are getting yourself into when leaving the country. The tourist companies will NOT inform you of very important legal considerations when leaving the country. They dont want you to be afraid.

I worry even about somehow getting into trouble accidentally or by setup. Ive seen horror stories of baggage handlers using unsuspecting people to smuggle drugs on other peoples luggage. Where the baggage handlers themselves had people in receiving country to intercept the drugs. These sort of things scare me. The odds are slim but still possible.

The main thing is to educate yourself and be very careful when traveling if you have to travel.

 

[Simply Caustic]

These two are not the sharpest tools in the tool shed.

They seem to think they have US rights in Bali, they seem to think that concealing a body in a suitcase in a taxi is a smart thing to do, and that the hotel would just hand over Sheila's safety deposit box.

They seem to think they can just get another passport at the airport .... that they can 'hide out' by having sex and snoozing in a hotel near the airport, that they can just fly off to somewhere else and escape the trouble they are in.

.

Your above post is perfectly stated. I'm wondering about the Chicago lawyer: What's the point? I mean, can he be of any service?

 

[nightwatch]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter-luxury-hotel-lobby-just-hours-murder.html

"... As police began the difficult task of trying to question the pair in detail, fingerprint experts were examining pieces of glass from an unidentified object that is believed to have been used to bludgeon Mrs Mack in room 616 in the hope of finding clues as to whether it was [HM] or [TS] who had last touched the suspected murder weapon.

While suspicion remains on both young people, as they were the only ones seen entering the room on CCTV footage, police said their initial inquiries suggested the perpetrator of the crime was the daughter. ..."

"... Mrs Mack’s troubled daughter, who is understood to have been adopted. ... has always been a very disturbed girl. She was extremely spoiled and would often scream and throw things until she got her way ..."

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BBM

This article also states the two tried to get hotel staff to open Mrs Macks safety deposit box. Contents money?, jewelry, passports. Instructions were in place not allowing them to open it.

What i find interesting is Mrs Mack knew her daughter would try, its a good thing they couldn't get those passports. Jmo

ciao

 

[PaperDoll]

These two are not the sharpest tools in the tool shed.

They seem to think they have US rights in Bali, they seem to think that concealing a body in a suitcase in a taxi is a smart thing to do, and that the hotel would just hand over Sheila's safety deposit box.

They seem to think they can just get another passport at the airport .... that they can 'hide out' by having sex and snoozing in a hotel near the airport, that they can just fly off to somewhere else and escape the trouble they are in.

.

They are young and like a lot of young people I'm sure they think they are invincible.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Bali suitcase killing: daughter, boyfriend charged with murder 9:55pm August 15, 2014


Indonesian police charged Heather Lois Mack, 19, and her 21-year-old boyfriend Tommy Schaefer with her murder tonight.

If found guilty, Ms Mack and Mr Schaefer may face the firing squad as police investigate upgrading the charges to premeditated murder.

“This is premeditated murder. Why? Because we can see how they put the body in the suitcase.”


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/...fed-into-suitcase-in-bali#7AdP7cRvM2MUGtsf.99

 

[Lovejac]

firing squad!

Little miss monster is going to find out that the world isn't so great when you don't have mommy around to protect you.