GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

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An Aussie surfer lad, Jake Drage, who has been in jail for about 45 days in Indonesia has just now been charged.

Another motorcycle clipped his motorcycle, on 30th June, in a minor low-impact accident (he was stopped) - a pillion passenger (without a helmet) on the other bike died.

He may get 6 years in jail there.

The other family involved asked that he not be charged .. but no dice.


Prosecutor Eka Aryana said there would be no special treatment for the Australian.
"The dossier has been accepted," she told reporters.
"Next we will set a date for trial, hopefully it won't be long, one or two weeks.
"There's no discrimination in this case, no special treatment, he must be processed by the courts.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...oman-death-motorcycle-crash-west-java/5681194


“He was on a motor bike, behind a little truck,” Ms Drage said.
“They were facing up a hill and the truck came to a complete stop. Jake was concerned the small truck might roll back on top of him.
“There were no lines or markings on the road at all.
“He’s nudged his head and the front of the bike out a small amount, perhaps a foot, to try and see if it was safe to pass the stationary truck.
“All of a sudden a motorbike with two people on it was there and clipped Jake’s bike.
“The bike was being driven by a 16-year-old girl, and her mother was on the back not wearing a helmet.” The woman died the next day in hospital.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...977675488?nk=7fb302d0dd35c3a9f4a2b90a420c2b54


Who knows how long HM and TS could languish in jail before they are charged.
 
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That is a very revealing article, Quester. Thank you. Poor Sheila. Treated with no dignity at all. :(

So much incriminating CCTV of his movements during the night. 16 witness statements, so far. And Sheila was murdered in her room, not his, as first reported.

Given rice-based meals now, and the newspaper is their only form of entertainment. He is in police jail in Denpasar, she is in South Kuta ... and once they are charged they go off to the notorious Hotel Kerobokan.


Asked about suggestions that an alleged crime pending against one or both of the couple in the U.S. could result in them being extradited to be dealt with there first, Commander Djoko shook his head.

'We aren’t taking that into consideration. They are under arrest here. This is our case. They will be dealt with here.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U-S-socialite-mother-Bali-help-boyfriend.html
 
  • #444
So ... where was HM when the assault took place?
 
  • #445
It is hard to tell, isn't it? The article you posted said room 317, where the murder took place, is the room Sheila shared with her daughter. They must know where HM was, if they have such good CCTV of his movements. They would have a recording of her leaving/entering either room 317 or his room 616.
 
  • #446
FYI: I alerted on yesterday's Timeline post, asked for it to be deleted and it has been. Will post an updated timeline soon which will include all the newly released info.
 
  • #447
Oh. Me too. I'm almost gleeful about it. I know that's horrible. But I can't help it. This won't be a casey anthony case.



I agree 100%.



She reminds me of Nancy Spungen of Sid and Nancy fame. Just an out of control kid with rage problems who gave her parents hell her whole life. I think Nancy's mom paid for her to have an apartment just because she couldn't deal with her. Nancy's mom wrote a book about her daughter and how horrible life was with her since she was quite small. It reminds me of this case.



She will never, ever be extradited and unless the whole thing is pinned on her boyfriend, Bali is her home for life.

OT
Gitana, thanks for mentioning NS mother's book. I ran to amazon and downloaded a copy. Very good book! Jmo

ciao
 
  • #448
In all probability, the newspapers are probably Bali papers. They both seemed to be really into the net, selfies etc., it must be withdrawal for them.
No more fried chicken and McDonald's. I honestly think they're going to have a harder time then most.
What a nightmare.
 
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Revealed – The case against the teenager who killed U.S. socialite mother in Bali with help of her boyfriend: How duo were caught on security camera carrying suitcase containing her body
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U-S-socialite-mother-Bali-help-boyfriend.html

In all the horrid crime cases that I've followed since a teenager, I have never, ever wanted to personally witness a execution. But the desire to see this monster go in front of the firing squad, is fierce. :furious:
 
  • #450
Sheila von Wiese. May she rest in peace.

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http://www.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/index.html?story=29344647

Imagine being involved in the killing of your own mother when you're pregnant with your first child? How awful this reality. Sadly, I don't think this immature, selfish girl realizes how horrifying her crimes against the person who loved her the most or for the baby who will need that kind of motherly love.

I pray Sheila can rest in peace. She loved, forgave, and protected her own daughter, Heather, so unconditionally. I hope Sheila can find peace now.

.................................................................................:offtobed:

Poor lady. Killed by her own daughter. I can only imagine what she was thinking.

In all probability, the newspapers are probably Bali papers. They both seemed to be really into the net, selfies etc., it must be withdrawal for them.
No more fried chicken and McDonald's. I honestly think they're going to have a harder time then most.
What a nightmare.

I love it. These two seem to have been spoiled to the point of delusion. Can you imagine complaining about being given western food when you're facing murder charges in Bali?

I lovr over that yu atenbeing fed rice and don't have access to TV or phones. I wish we could know what's going through their minds right now.
 
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Mon, 7/21/14 “Leaving Aug 4th for Indonesia might not come backkkk” TS wrote on his FB page according to DailyMail.co.uk

Wed, 7/23/14 SWM reported to police that her credit card was being used ... without her permission at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago. When police arrived at the tony downtown hotel, they discovered HM and her boyfriend, TS, had used the card to book a room and ring up nearly $1,000 in charges. TS, 21 yo and 6' 3", was arrested for misdemeanor disorderly conduct after acting unruly during the police response. The Oak Park native was scheduled to appear in court [sometime in the later half of Aug]. [?No other charges filed by SWM/hotel/LE?]

Tues, 8/12/14 SWM was murdered at the St. Regis on Bali.


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So ... were the July 23rd Chicago hotel / credit card theft shenanigans a dry run of their ultimate actions on Bali???

ETA: There is a Conrad Hotel on Bali [? $180/night ?] just north of the St Regis [? $545/night ?] in Nusa Dua. Could SWM & HM have been scheduled to stay at the Conrad Hotel on Bali but SWM changed the reservations after the Chicago hotel incident???
 
  • #452
That is a very revealing article, Quester. Thank you. Poor Sheila. Treated with no dignity at all. :(

So much incriminating CCTV of his movements during the night. 16 witness statements, so far. And Sheila was murdered in her room, not his, as first reported.

Given rice-based meals now, and the newspaper is their only form of entertainment. He is in police jail in Denpasar, she is in South Kuta ... and once they are charged they go off to the notorious Hotel Kerobokan.
Oh good! Rice-based meals, no more fast food for them! They'll get sick of rice very quickly and wish they had KFC!!! Yea!
And no more SM selfies for entertainment.
 
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What else was he up to???

Reading through the portrait of TS, along with other things we've read, leaves me wondering if this was a murder for hire???

Who's the father of the child, if she's indeed pregnant???
 
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Mon, 7/21/14 “Leaving Aug 4th for Indonesia might not come backkkk” TS wrote on his FB page according to DailyMail.co.uk

Wed, 7/23/14 SWM reported to police that her credit card was being used ... without her permission at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago. When police arrived at the tony downtown hotel, they discovered HM and her boyfriend, TS, had used the card to book a room and ring up nearly $1,000 in charges. TS, 21 yo and 6' 3", was arrested for misdemeanor disorderly conduct after acting unruly during the police response. The Oak Park native was scheduled to appear in court [sometime in the later half of Aug]. [?No other charges filed by SWM/hotel/LE?]

Tues, 8/12/14 SWM was murdered at the St. Regis on Bali.


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So ... were the July 23rd Chicago hotel / credit card theft shenanigans a dry run of their ultimate actions on Bali???

ETA: There is a Conrad Hotel on Bali [? $180/night ?] just north of the St Regis [? $545/night ?] in Nusa Dua. Could SWM & HM have been scheduled to stay at the Conrad Hotel on Bali but SWM changed the reservations after the Chicago hotel incident???

Say WHAT? Two weeks prior they pull a stunt like that and victim takes this nasty brat on a trip to 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Bali? Now I am pissed at her. No, not saying she deserved to die AT ALL, but parental denial is a b i a tch
 
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BBM

Interesting deduction Quester. Very interesting.

I'm still wondering where on earth they got the duck tape to duck tape Sheila up with? If they brought it with them, or bought it earlier that day or the day before, would definately, show premeditation.

Don't know how much money Heather would stand to inherit, but apparently quite a lot? Very interesting theory.


What else was he up to???

Reading through the portrait of TS, along with other things we've read, leaves me wondering if this was a murder for hire???

Who's the father of the child, if she's indeed pregnant???
 
  • #458
Bali Suitcase Murder Timeline - HISTORY

Jan 2004-June 2013 Records of 86 incidents in which police were called to a house in Oak Park, where SWM and her daughter, HM, lived. ... the pair had a tumultuous/sometimes contentious relationship ... the family moved out [~June 2013]. The majority of the calls were missing-person reports, and others included domestic problems and theft. ... They were all for domestic issues between mother and daughter,' ... none resulted in arrests. ... The two fought over everything from school attendance to HM's boyfriend, neighbors said. “Police were here all the time,” one neighbor said. “They would call police on each other. It turned very abusive and volatile.”

Aug 2006 SWM's husband, prominent jazz composer JLM, died at age 76 while vacationing in Greece

Jan 2010 SWM claimed HM punched her in her already broken ankle during an argument over household chores.

2010 HM denied taking $1,060 cash from her mother, according to the reports. But HM also told police she was mad, so she took a cab to Water Tower Place “with the intention of using SWM's credit card to go shopping.”

Jan 2011 Police did arrest HM after she allegedly pushed her mother in the chest, knocked her to the floor and broke her right arm, records show.

Dec 2011 HM has been in court before. ... she was arrested on domestic battery, aggravated battery and battery charges, according to Cook County juvenile records. A family friend said the arrest followed a violent argument with her mother. ... the teen — who was represented by an attorney hired by her mother — was placed on one year of court supervision after she was found guilty of battery. She was ordered to undergo mandatory counseling, including for anger management, as part of a violence prevention program. HM lived during parts of 2012 in two different community-based facilities for minors in the juvenile court system in need of education, life skills and mental health services. Records show HM successfully completed the court-ordered programs.

2012 Court records show TS pleaded guilty to misdemeanor simple assault following an argument with a Chicago man on the sidewalk outside the victim's Lincoln Park workplace.

2013 ... two years after her arm was broken [Jan 2011], SWM refused to let police take pictures of a bite mark on her right wrist because she did not believe “Heather going to jail” would help the situation.

June 2013 SWM & HM moved to a luxury apartment in Chicago overlooking Lake Michigan. ... in an attempt to give herself and her daughter a new start ... where friends said their relationship worsened.

Dec 2013
SMW wrote in an email to a friend ...“[HM] has not been in school for over a month and yesterday was consumed with trying to keep her safe. I am trying to get her homebound tutoring once again.”

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Disclaimer: All timeline info gleaned from publicly available media sources. I don't personally vouch for the veracity of any of it. ~Q
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Bali Suitcase Murder Timeline:

CHICAGO


Mon, 7/21/14 “Leaving Aug 4th for Indonesia might not come backkkk” TS wrote on his FB page according to DailyMail.co.uk

Wed, 7/23/14 SWM reported to police that her credit card was being used ... without her permission at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago. When police arrived at the tony downtown hotel, they discovered HM and her boyfriend, TS, had used the card to book a room and ring up nearly $1,000 in charges. TS, 21 yo and 6' 3", was arrested for misdemeanor disorderly conduct after acting unruly during the police response. The Oak Park native was scheduled to appear in court [sometime in the later half of Aug]. [?No other charges filed by SWM/hotel/LE?]

BALI

Mon, 8/4/14 SWM & HM arrived on Bali; first staying at a Simanyak hotel

Thur, 8/7/14 HM posted on Instagram a photo she presumably took from the window of their hotel ... accompanied by the caption: "i refuse to let someone say what i can do, gettin (sic) money my attitude you know what it do #bali," the MailOnline reports."

Sat, 8/9/14 SWM & HM moved to the St. Regis [? $545/night ?] in Nusa Dua; A St. Regis staff member told the Mail that HM and her mother were publicly fighting throughout the trip: "The mother had all the appearances of one of our upmarket guests. But the behavior she and her daughter showed did not belong in our hotel. Even so, it's such a tragic end for that poor woman."

Tues, 8/12/14; 12a+ Boyfriend TS arrived on Bali; St. Regis security camera showed HM, SWM & TS had public argument in lobby about who would pay bill upon departure; SWM said something like: I paid for his flight, you two can pay for his hotel. HM is believed to have shared occupancy of TS' room.

Tues, 8/12/14; 3:45a SWM was last spotted on CCTV walking around the hotel lobby

Tues, 8/12/14; ~6:45a SWM called receptionists asking to wake her up at 10am

Tues, 8/12/14 Police sources revealed the murder had occurred in room 317 - not 616 - which was being shared by SWM and her daughter ... in the early hours and from room 616, TS dressed in dark clothing was seen on the hotel’s security cameras stepping out into the corridor and taking the lift down to the third floor. ... TS entered room 317 - it is not known if he knocked or whether he had access to the keycard ... SWM
was bludgeoned to death ... with an object described as looking like an ashtray but which was more 'ornamental' ... with such violence that the objects shattered. “We found pieces of glass around [the] room ...” ... the 5' 5" victim was folded into the 3ft-long silver-coloured case ... but the lid would not close completely ... her alleged killers wrapped the suitcase in a sheet and pulled the cloth tight around ... ?duct tape? ... Bali police: "TS' fingerprints on murder weapon and suitcase"

Tues, 8/12/14 Some time later TS is seen allegedly lugging the suitcase on his shoulder as he steps out of the room [317]. ... surveillance footage revealed that the couple removed the suitcase from the room SWM was sharing with her daughter, cops said. ... and makes his way up the stairs to his own room. ... he made an error and found himself on the seventh floor and had to make his way back down one floor, police claim. ... TS was totally alone in the stairway

Tues, 8/12/14 He is then believed to have packed his own belongings and changed his clothes, including putting on a red and yellow jacket

Tues, 8/12/14; 10a No one answered the SWM requested 10am wake-up call to room 317

Tues, 8/12/14; ~11a TS asked a bell boy to come up and collect the luggage on a trolley. Security footage shows the bell boy walking a luggage trolly through the plush lobby, the sheet-covered suitcase lying under other bags. TS walks beside the trolley and it is he who lifts the sheet wrapped case, containing a folded SWM, into the boot of a waiting taxi before returning to the hotel with his girlfriend. ... told driver they were going to check out of the hotel and would return ... in lobby asked for contents of safe deposit box (SWM's jewelry, passports) and said SWM would pay for rooms when she checked out on Thurs ... staff refused on both accounts ... HM & TS said they had to return to their room but fled the hotel via a back exit ... CCTV footage showed that the couple escaped via the beach ... Commander DH, said the evidence of murder against HM and TS was 'overwhelming' - and he cited one good reason for it. ... - a sophisticated security system

Tues, 8/12/14 HM & TS went to the airport; inquired about replacement passports

Tues, 8/12/14; pm The couple reportedly checked in at the Risata Bali Resort and Spa [? $91/night ?] in the Kuta area, close to the international airport on Tuesday afternoon and paid with SWM's credit card; requested internet access

Wed, 8/13/14; ~8a LE found HM & TS asleep at the Risata Bali Resort. “The hotel security reported it to us as they realized the names of their guests were identical to the murder suspects announced by the police,” Djoko said.

Thur, 8/14/14 Scheduled check-out day from the St. Regis and probable return date of flight to USA.


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Disclaimer: All timeline info gleaned from publicly available media sources. I don't personally vouch for the veracity of any of it. ~Q
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  • #460
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mother-Bali-help-boyfriend.html#ixzz3AsFJdmKa
… the murder had occurred in room 317 - not 616 - which was being shared by Mrs Mack and her daughter… Mack's boyfriend was staying in room 616 - and it was from that room, in the early hours of Tuesday, August 12, that Schaefer, dressed in dark clothing, was seen on the hotel’s security cameras stepping out into the corridor and taking the lift down to the third floor.

From that article IMO, scenario:
Heather wants to stay with TS in his room – Sheila says no – HM assaults and kills mother then phones TS to come help. The rest we can get from the article…
I’d suggest that the wake-up call made at 6:45am from Room 317 was logged as Sheila because the room was registered in her name, whereas the call was placed by Heather after she and TS had cleaned up – Sheila’s body was down in room 616 by then.

And the duct tape? IMO - journalistic licence…

What I’d like confirmation of from LE, is the report of Sheila in the lobby at 3:45am.
 
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