GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #3

[Orange Tabby]

This is all I could get off that site. At least it gives us the case number. Do you know of anywhere else on there to look? It says 5 pages have been submitted. Don't know where to look to see if anything has been done with it yet.

Great work Kamille! I don't know where else to look for further deets. But in the days and weeks ahead, I'll try to remember to ask folks I know who might have a working knowledge of this sort of thing.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Whoa ... if the Jakarta Post source is correct, these two are going down on a whole bunch of charges. And HM will have the additional charge of domestic violence, as well.

Here’s what Article 44 subsection 3 (BBM) of Law no. 23/2004 (the Indonesian domestic violence law of 2004), mentioned in the Jakarta Post, says:

Article 44

(1) Anyone committing act of physical violence in household as
referred to in Article 5 letter a shall be punished with imprisonment
of not longer than 5 (five) years or fine of not more than
Rp15,000,000.00 (fifteen million rupiah).

(2) In case the act referred to in paragraph (2) causes the victim to be
sick or to sustain serious injury, the perpetrator shall be punished
with imprisonment of not longer than 10 (ten) years or fine of not
more than Rp30,000,000.00 (thirty million rupiah).

(3) In case the act referred to in paragraph (2) brings about death of
the victim, the perpetrator shall be punished with imprisonment of
not longer than 15 (fifteen) years or fine of not more than
Rp45,000,000.00 (forty-five million rupiah). ​

I think the part I've italicized should actually read “…the act referred to in paragraph (1)…”

Article 50 gives the judge the discretion to compel counseling, not that this would do Heather any good. But it's hard not worry about poor Stella.

BTW, 45 million rupiah is about US$3,650.

The complete law is here: https://www.wcwonline.org/pdf/lawco...ding-Elimination-of-Violence-in-Household.pdf

 

[FormerOakParker]

I take it they're covering all possible charges if the premeditated murder doesn't stick? So from there it starts going down until they are convicted of at least one or more? I don't like that "hiding a criminal" one. If that's all HM gets then she's been working deals IMO.

I think HM is counting on only the conviction of hiding a criminal with a 9-month penalty, which may explain why reporters said "Mack added that she loved Bali and was eager to live there after the case had been settled." http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/12/10/accused-murder-us-couple-welcome-first-baby-girl.html

 

[Orange Tabby]

There’s an interesting, brief commentary piece posted on a Bali website concerning the latest Heather and Tommy news which treats the pair with the contempt they deserve.

Excerpts:

You could almost forget that Heather Mack and Tommy Schaefer are suspected murderers…

Back to that point about forgetting the two are alleged murderers: the couple was joking around with media yesterday when they cheerfully revealed their future daughter’s name. Schaefer said it will be Stella after his grandmother. We just have to cringe thinking about that dark day when Stella will learn what happened to her own grandmother on her mom's side.

Making fun of media reports that said the couple complained about KFC fed to them in prison, Mack reportedly told the press yesterday that she would live in Indonesia when the case is over because she loves “fried rice, rice fields, and no more KFC,”...​

See: http://bali.coconuts.co/2014/12/09/...tommy-schaefer-says-hell-name-his-baby-stella

I thought Stella was the name of one of Heather’s grandmothers…

 

[FigTree]

Pregnant murder accused Heather Mack reunited with boyfriend Tommy Schaefer in Bali, pledging to name baby after grandmother
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/p...fter-grandmother/story-fnh81fz8-1227148781593

She is now about 24 weeks pregnant and says her baby is a healthy little girl who she will name Stella, after her grandmother. She may even call her Putu Stella, Putu being a Balinese name used to denote the first born in a family.
And she expressed a wish to breast feed her baby and keep her with her in Bali’s Kerobokan jail.

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From your link Orange Tabby -
http://bali.coconuts.co/2014/12/09/...tommy-schaefer-says-hell-name-his-baby-stella



What's wrong with this image?
Lots!
Who acts like this to the murderer of their mother!

What's wrong with this girl?
Lots!

:underbus:

 

[SouthAussie]

One good sign ... Bali police have not bowed to her lawyers' wishes and had HM attending the public hospital, she has been going to the police hospital.

"Following the couple’s arrest, Mack has reportedly been going for monthly checkups at RS. Trijata for her pregnancy ..... "


And .... "she loves “fried rice, rice fields ...." how about rice with rocks and grit in it? She probably loves that too.

http://bali.coconuts.co/2014/12/09/...tommy-schaefer-says-hell-name-his-baby-stella


Hoping that Tommy is now being befriended by a peer group of long-term prisoners. They may give him the support and advice that he needs. They may point out to him that no-one has provided him with additional clothes, a travel bag, toiletries to help clear up his skin .. not his mother, not Heather's team of lawyers at Heather's request, not his own lawyer.

They may help him to see that his baby is much better off being placed elsewhere, that Kerobokan Prison is no place for her to be for any length of time, and that the baby's sick and deluded mother may not be a good mother at all .. and needs to be held accountable for her own mother's death too. If it wasn't for her, Sheila would not have died while on holiday in Bali.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Exactly right. Let her breastfeed for two weeks and then get that baby out of PRISON! Even better, just have her pump milk.

 

[SouthAussie]

If he had any smarts at all, Tommy would be fighting to get the baby placed elsewhere - working with another different lawyer for the baby - to keep the baby out of a prison where drugs, open sex, overcrowding, rapists, child sex offenders, and other criminals are rife.

It wouldn’t take long for the other prisoners to realise that Heather is a self-absorbed nut case and support him imo.

And if he were really smart, he would realise that to follow the money (sorry, Sheila ) he will need to follow the baby, get some kind of custody of her, look out for her best interests, get his family to care for the baby … or pay a local woman a pittance from the baby’s potential inheritance to wet-nurse and care for the baby, let her play in the sunshine with other children, and perhaps bring her for visits.

If he arranged all of that - via a lawyer for the baby - he could keep Heather locked up in prison for a long, long time … paying for the crime that she involved him in, and away from the baby’s inheritance. If he thinks Heather will keep him around for very long he is as crazy as her … she is 18, selfish and violent … she’ll kick him to the kerb sooner or later … probably as soon as she has completely used him to absolve her of any blame for Sheila’s death.

 

[FigTree]

If he had any smarts at all, Tommy would be fighting to get the baby placed elsewhere - working with another different lawyer for the baby - to keep the baby out of a prison where drugs, open sex, overcrowding, rapists, child sex offenders, and other criminals are rife.

It wouldn’t take long for the other prisoners to realise that Heather is a self-absorbed nut case and support him imo.

And if he were really smart, he would realise that to follow the money (sorry, Sheila ) he will need to follow the baby, get some kind of custody of her, look out for her best interests, get his family to care for the baby … or pay a local woman a pittance from the baby’s potential inheritance to wet-nurse and care for the baby, let her play in the sunshine with other children, and perhaps bring her for visits.

If he arranged all of that - via a lawyer for the baby - he could keep Heather locked up in prison for a long, long time … paying for the crime that she involved him in, and away from the baby’s inheritance. If he thinks Heather will keep him around for very long he is as crazy as her … she is 18, selfish and violent … she’ll kick him to the kerb sooner or later … probably as soon as she has completely used him to absolve her of any blame for Sheila’s death.

My bold...
Great post and thoughts.
I agree.

 

[Kamille]

If he had any smarts at all, Tommy would be fighting to get the baby placed elsewhere - working with another different lawyer for the baby - to keep the baby out of a prison where drugs, open sex, overcrowding, rapists, child sex offenders, and other criminals are rife.

It wouldn’t take long for the other prisoners to realise that Heather is a self-absorbed nut case and support him imo.

And if he were really smart, he would realise that to follow the money (sorry, Sheila ) he will need to follow the baby, get some kind of custody of her, look out for her best interests, get his family to care for the baby … or pay a local woman a pittance from the baby’s potential inheritance to wet-nurse and care for the baby, let her play in the sunshine with other children, and perhaps bring her for visits.

If he arranged all of that - via a lawyer for the baby - he could keep Heather locked up in prison for a long, long time … paying for the crime that she involved him in, and away from the baby’s inheritance. If he thinks Heather will keep him around for very long he is as crazy as her … she is 18, selfish and violent … she’ll kick him to the kerb sooner or later … probably as soon as she has completely used him to absolve her of any blame for Sheila’s death.

You'd think maybe the baby's only living grandmother might have used the 10 grand she collected to work on custody of her grandchild. :notgood:

MOO

 

[ontheclock]

Tommy looks shell-shocked in the pics, slightly catatonic. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Tommy looks shell-shocked in the pics, slightly catatonic. JMO

Tommy is being treated like a violent murderer. Heather is being treated like a pregnant young girl who has made some poor decisions because she's in love with a violent murderer.

She manipulated her mother for years. Now she's doing the same with her jailers. I don't like it one bit. :notgood:

MOO

 

[ontheclock]

No way Heather isn't 100% culpable, JMO. Godspeed to the baby.

 

[gracehatter]

I wonder what the laws are regarding paternal legal rights in this case since they are not married. I can think of a number of issues that may arise but I have not researched this at all.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Heather has reasons to lie about wanting to stay in Bali should she not be charged or should she not be convicted:

1. It is a way to praise the culture and the place in order to give less weight to two ideas that very much work against her: (i) that she’s an American who chose Indonesia as a murder venue because she thought the system could be more easily played; and (ii) that she has no respect for Bali. In this case, the lie is a small piece of the plan to get her out of a murder charge.

2. It reassures Tommy that she will not abandon him if he sticks to his story in court. Since they have had little contact, she may want to make this point as often and in as many ways as she can. In this case, the lie is a big piece of the plan to get her out of a murder charge.

I don’t have a strongly held position on this. She could be telling the truth, but I do think there’s a mighty strong case that this is yet another of Heather’s lies. (Even if she is telling the truth, she could always change her mind and leave Tommy in the lurch.) I wouldn’t trust Heather as far as I could punch her across a room.

 

[Kamille]

Heather has reasons to lie about wanting to stay in Bali should she not be charged or should she not be convicted:

1. It is a way to praise the culture and the place in order to give less weight to two ideas that very much work against her: (i) that she’s an American who chose Indonesia as a murder venue because she thought the system could be more easily played; and (ii) that she has no respect for Bali. In this case, the lie is a small piece of the plan to get her out of a murder charge.

2. It reassures Tommy that she will not abandon him if he sticks to his story in court. Since they have had little contact, she may want to make this point as often and in as many ways as she can. In this case, the lie is a big piece of the plan to get her out of a murder charge.

I don’t have a strongly held position on this. She could be telling the truth, but I do think there’s a mighty strong case that this is yet another of Heather’s lies. (Even if she is telling the truth, she could always change her mind and leave Tommy in the lurch.) I wouldn’t trust Heather as far as I could punch her across a room.

BBM

:floorlaugh:

 

[Kamille]

I wonder what the laws are regarding paternal legal rights in this case since they are not married. I can think of a number of issues that may arise but I have not researched this at all.

Imagine if Tommy finds out this baby is not his.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Imagine if Tommy finds out this baby is not his.

I have thought about this possibility too. By the time Tommy considers it, it will be too late. (He'll be in Kerobokan for life.) It's vaguely reminiscent of the battle over Anna Nicole Smith's baby. Freaky weird!

 

[SwampMama]

Imagine if Tommy finds out this baby is not his.

Now THAT would be an interesting twist and one that I have certainly considered. He definitely needs to get a paternity test to be sure. He ought to wise up and not protect her at all, he needs to confess and make her accountable for her part in this. She was certainly no timid, frightened girl who cowered in fear as her mother was killed. We already know that she was capable of great violence and harm to her mother on many occasions.

 

[SouthAussie]

In a reply to a comment under this article, it says that the baby is being named after Tommy's maternal grandmother. :dunno:

http://www.people.com/article/pregn...rer-heather-mack-reunites-boyfriend-bali-jail