Belize - Francesca Matus, 52, & Drew De Voursney, 36, murdered, Corozal, 25 Apr 2017

[otto]

One of the videos said (the local man) that Mr John lived on the ground floor

Thank you! That I believe ... basement, I don't believe.

 

[Hazel]

http://www.cp24.com/news/police-rel...an-and-american-boyfriend-in-belize-1.3397477

Last Updated Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:50PM EDT Two people who were questioned by Belize police in the deaths of a Canadian woman and her American boyfriend have been released.
The mother of the American man says the U.S. embassy in Belize told her both people being questioned were released and no one is currently in custody.

Quick look at the Canadian that was in custody in video.

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[otto]

This is so strange in that something seems missing from the story.

No one wanted the car, but took the battery and the keys?

This happened on the last night of her stay (but not the last night for him bc he was leaving a few days later).

They were out at the bar to say goodbye to friends? (So folks knew they were leaving and when).

There was a flat tire? But we don't know when it happened.

Maybe whoever thought both were to deart on the same day,

....which brings me to.... why wasn't the bf going to drive her to the airpoert? Why the other guy? (The one who, I believe, IIRC, reported them missing and that their luggage or hers was still there. )

Maybe some of this is a slip in reporting, but his luggage wouldn't be with hers bc he wasn't leaving yet. (?)

He was a huge man and ex military. There had to be a weapon to subdue him or catch him by surprise and knock him out or otherwise incapacitate him. Yet they were strangled.

There were previous threats made to her, but these were not reported to police. Maybe bc the threats CAME from someone in LE? (Sorry. It happens in places.)

Autopsy done on scene. Just bizarre.

Before this, I had had a wonderful idea of Belize. I actually thought it was a wealthy area, Maybe I'm thinking of 20 years ago though. Things change.

This couple looked so happy. What a sad horrific end.

The flat tire, keys, and battery might have been taken to ensure that no one would 'steal' the abandoned vehicle. It was left in a sugar cane field most likely to prevent anyone from finding the car. On the offhand chance that someone came across it and wanted to hot wire it, they couldn't move it because the battery was missing. This may have been done - rather pre-mediately - to ensure that the car did not appear on the streets after the murders.

I think she was the target, and he had the misfortune of being with her - which is why she was murdered the night before she left the country ... sort of along the lines of the last chance to murder her (revenge?).

 

[dotr]

https://kqradio.com/index.php/2017/...ot-killed-for-theft-canadian-detained-police/

Couple found dead in Belize not killed for theft; Canadian detained: Police

Theft is not believed to be a motive in the suspected murders of an American man and his Canadian girlfriend, a police spokesperson in Belize said on Thursday.

Two people have been detained in connection with the case, according to police, who said that one of the two is a Canadian citizen.

In an interview with “Good Morning America” Wednesday, DeVoursney’s mother, Char DeVoursney, described her son as “strong” and “brave.”

Drew DeVoursney originally went to Belize to buy property with his best friend from the Marines, according to his mother.

She said that at one point he even hoped to “establish some citizenship there.”
The mother said it was “very comforting” to know that he was not alone when he died.
She said she hopes “to be able to find out exactly what happened and who did it.”

ABC video.
“Good Morning America”
http://abcnews.go.com/International...led-theft-canadian-detained/story?id=47203560

 

[otto]

Slightly O/T - Despite how sad I am over the murder of two fellow human beings and how bad I feel for their family and friends, isn't it interesting to see how criminal law and LE works in another country?

This seems similar to how things are done in Aruba, where a suspect can be detained for 48 hours initially, and only first name is released. If it's the same as Aruba, I believe the suspect can be detained for another 7 days, but it might start with 3 ... can't remember the details ... but suspect can be detained and questioned for quite some time without the privilege of a lawyer.

 

[otto]

Too many clues for this to be a random robbery
- Threats
- Francesca's planning to leave in the morning
- Tampered door lock
- Duct tape

Add to that, would you rob a girl that was with a 6'6" ex marine?

This has all the makings of a planned hit. They are dead because for some reason somebody wanted them dead. I'm wondering if the perp knew that the farmer was about to torch the field and figured the bodies would be burned? Possibly the burning is something that is done every year at the beginning of May?

I'm wondering that too - about whether the suspect(s) knew that the field would be burned. It's just luck that they were found before that happened!

It does sound like a premeditated murder for the reasons you point out. One thing about the duct tape, I initially thought that because duct tape was used, it must have been introduced to the crime by the suspect, but looking at Francesca's car, the headlight is attached with duct tape, so perhaps she had duct tape in the care for those types of emergencies.

 

[otto]

Here's the picture of the car. Perhaps the doors left open to get the fire (going on the burning fields theory!) quickly to the interior.

https://www.breakingbelizenews.com/2017/04/30/vehicle-belonging-missing-canadian-american-couple/

The field where the bodies were found was scheduled to be burned (not sure why anyone burns sugar cane fields), but I have not read that the field where the car was found was scheduled to be burned. I thought the doors were left open to allow animals and nature to destroy evidence.

 

[otto]

I am guessing she is self-employed. Her family stated she owns a few properties in the Toronto area that she manages. Since there are children there was likely a divorce and she could have used settlement money to start a business buying and renting or flipping small homes or properties, setting herself up perhaps as an LLC that has no other employees. That would not leave a paper trail but would provide enough income to travel and wouldn't require her to have a realtor's license. My step brother manages several rental homes in Seattle - if you googled him or the name he rents the properties under you wouldn't find anything on a search engine either, as he does this as a side business which covers his house payment and some spending money post-retirement, not as a big corporation.

She was a real estate investor in Toronto so she was likely flipping homes in a very good market - lots of profit to be made.

 

[musicaljoke]

The field where the bodies were found was scheduled to be burned (not sure why anyone burns sugar cane fields), but I have not read that the field where the car was found was scheduled to be burned. I thought the doors were left open to allow animals and nature to destroy evidence.

OT .. sugar cane fields are burned to remove the loose leaves from the stalks, and frighten away poisonous snakes ahead of harvesting.

 

[musicaljoke]

Quick look at the Canadian that was in custody in video.

Join us at 6:30 for these stories and more on NEWS 5 Live! (posted 28 minutes ago)
https://www.facebook.com/News5Live/videos/1280756392045229/

64ish yr old man? Jilted lover, former spouse, business partner?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Slightly O/T - Despite how sad I am over the murder of two fellow human beings and how bad I feel for their family and friends, isn't it interesting to see how criminal law and LE works in another country?

It is interesting. Also reminds me why I wouldn't live in certain countries regardless of how enticing House Hunters International makes it appear.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

64ish yr old man? Jilted lover, former spouse, business partner?

I watched the video above, preview for their upcoming newscast. I didn't hear anything about a 64 yr old man?

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Live newscast said: John Deshaies, age 54. Was originally taken into custody related to theft from a casino.

 

[fred&edna]

Live newscast said: John Deshaies, age 54. Was originally taken into custody related to theft from a casino.

A possible construction/building partner??

 

[kmclaren]

Live newscast said: John Deshaies, age 54. Was originally taken into custody related to theft from a casino.

Francesca has a Facebook friend with that name. And someone with that name commented on a Belizian lawyer's site about the good service he received - the office appears to specialize in land disputes!

And following the bread crumbs to LinkedIn, man of same name from Toronto has this on his page: Commercial and High End Residential Construction, Specializing in Energy saving Green technologies

 

[CARIIS]

I am so not caught up been needing a lot of Trump therapy in new forum

but saw this and thought of you guy s

Canadian detained in death of woman in Belize

It kinda bugged me what is the need for "Canadain"


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...eath-of-woman-in-belize/ar-BBAKOhr?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Kamille]

Looks like he was doing something construction related in Belize...or at least trying to get something going. Was he also wintering in Belize or was he planning to move there? Now that he has been released, will he be returning to Canada? :waitasec:

https://www.houzz.com/pro/jdeshaies/icf-group

 

[dotr]

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2017/05/04/22722051.html
Brad Hunter, Toronto Sun

May 4, 2017 , Last Updated: 11:50 PM

Due to privacy concerns Global Affairs is not releasing the man’s name.

But local media said the Canadian suspect will be returned for more questioning on the double-homicide. Sources say the man is not cooperating with cops.
“More than likely he should be going to court tomorrow (Friday) for the burglary, so he’s not released ... he’s a person of interest for the murders,” a Belize police sergeant told The Canadian Press late Thursday night.

rbbm

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Looks like he was doing something construction related in Belize...or at least trying to get something going. Was he also wintering in Belize or was he planning to move there? Now that he has been released, will he be returning to Canada? :waitasec:

https://www.houzz.com/pro/jdeshaies/icf-group

Maybe I misunderstood...but I don't think he's been released yet. I had understood that he'd been taken into custody for questioning about the casino theft, and once released from that matter (which I believe he has been), he'd be transferred to the LE department that's dealing with FM & DD's murders, for questioning on that.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

If you search the name JS on FB, the one who lives in Barrie, ON is FB friends w/ Francesca