Bosma Murder Trial 02.02.16 - Day 2

[hopingforjustice]

Interesting Soundcloud interview with Ross McLean--Crime Power & Politics

https://soundcloud.com/am900chml/two-high-profile-trials-began-today-1

 

[matou]

Not sure about Pillay but I think Dungey is coaching Smich to not look at DM. JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Is it at all possible his attorney is encouraging this behavior?

I do wonder how those conversations are going. Someone in DM's life (have we heard ANYTHING about whether he has any 'friends' or family there, by the way? anyone smiling BACK at him?) or on his legal team has to be telling him he's coming across as a scary creeper. My gut instinct is he has been told and does not care.

For context, I'm a person who watched a bit of the Jodi Arias trials and wasn't quite sure where some of the commentary came from, meaning, people seemed to become infuriated by what seemed to me like minor behaviors of JA in court. If she looked down, people got mad, if she looked up, people got mad, if she cried people got mad, if she didn't cry, people got mad. Etc. I understand why people hate her, but I didn't get the outrage at every single move she made in court.

And even when DM was first described as grinning a lot, I wasn't that troubled--just sounded like more of the jackass behavior he's already displayed.

But hearing that he stared down Sharlene and grinned at her all the way as she crossed the room? Sorry, buddy, you just lost any claim to membership in humanity you might have had left.

Reminds me of the way Polly Klaas's killer behaved in court, and if you don't already know what I'm talking about, do yourself a favor and sleep better tonight by not looking it up.

 

[Alderbrook]

This was posted yesterday about his Drs apt. People seem to be speculating about why he was going to the dr today.

 

[ADAWG]

Stomach issues likely from the stress and anxiety knowing this is the start of his first life sentence


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[ArianeEmory]

Hmm, I can't be the first person to make this comparison, and I know Bundy has been brought up today in this very thread, but I just remembered the part where Bundy also decided to be his own lawyer. Can't believe DM is going through with that. Maybe he knows he's going down for TB and just wants to make subsequent trials more entertaining for himself.

 

[Tamarind]

I am wondering what peoples responses would be if DM was sitting there crying or with a vacant stare toward the ceiling. We are all different and if I felt I was innocent ( which he obviously does according to the plea) I would smile at family and friends and feel relieved that at last after three years I may be getting closer to the truth being revealed and freedom. Feelings of despair and sadness having long passed over the three year period locked in solitary, would not be part of my demeanor if I were innocent. Getting the show on the road and actually getting the facts made clearer would be the goal. I'm sure most victims of crime also want truth and justice not poker faces to appease the onlookers. Just my opinion.

 

[Tamarind]

It is disturbing to think that this was the truck that TB was excited to take out on a test drive with DM & MS- the same truck that he spent time cleaning and prepping for the showing that would take his life. I notice that the rear view mirror looks like it's been busted off its arm. Maybe that's why there was still a print on it- looks like it's just dangling there. They didn't mention any other prints on the truck today, so I guess there's a possibility that the truck got wiped down after the crime and that one little telltale print got left behind. MS may owe DM a thank you note for that one lol Also, I wonder what the elastic band ring on DM's finger is all about? Maybe a reminder to check the rear view mirror? MOO

The interior looks very clean for an execution site. I would think cleaning it would remove evidence. So I guess we are to interpret this as it was cleaned by someone other than police? I cant see how so much blood spatter that would have been present could be eliminated. I guess we'll see as case progresses.

 

[Tamarind]

You also okay with him giving a big grin to SB and tracking her with his smile as he rotated in his chair?

Yes/no, please.

... I dont believe he was spinning around in his chair to look at her. I believe the tweeter/reporter did post to clarify that he turned to look, maybe he wants to take everything in. I don't think that accused are supposed to looked directly ahead for hours on end. I think DM is being viewed under a microscope , which really doesn't reflect on guilt or innocence. I am choosing to focus on the facts if and when they are presented. That is how the judge directed the jury. I don't think he suggested they scrutinize every movement of the accused in court, so that's why I am trying not to be sidetracked by what I believe is irrelevant. Naturally everyone can think whatever they like but I don't believe my views should be chastised and a command to explain and give a yes/no at every opportunity. HTH Thank you

 

[ArianeEmory]

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Would you smile at the wife of the woman whose husband you were accused of killing? Would you intentionally lock eyes with her and follow her movement with your gaze as she crosses the room, as you continue to grin hugely? Would you expect her to understand that you're just joyful at the prospect of freedom? Does your joy trump the fact that she is reliving the worst days of her life as the kidnapping, murder and incineration of her husband are being discussed and dissected in detail? Is there no room in your joy for just a touch of empathy for the actual victim in the room?

 

[MsSherlock]

I am wondering what peoples responses would be if DM was sitting there crying or with a vacant stare toward the ceiling. We are all different and if I felt I was innocent ( which he obviously does according to the plea) I would smile at family and friends and feel relieved that at last after three years I may be getting closer to the truth being revealed and freedom. Feelings of despair and sadness having long passed over the three year period locked in solitary, would not be part of my demeanor if I were innocent. Getting the show on the road and actually getting the facts made clearer would be the goal. I'm sure most victims of crime also want truth and justice not poker faces to appease the onlookers. Just my opinion.

That's true Tamarind. The show is definitely on the road. Things are getting a lot clearer and I have a funny feeling that they're going to get even more clearer as the days go by. IMHO, if anyone really cared about him, they would tell him to keep his eyes focused straight ahead and not show any animation in the Court room. They'd also tell him to cool it with the stares, smirks and smiles- before the Judge tells him. IMO, this guy's bad behaviour is constantly being enabled and running unchecked. Certainly if MS can do it- DM can- can't he? MOO

 

[Tamarind]

That's true Tamarind. The show is definitely on the road. Things are getting a lot clearer and I have a funny feeling that they're going to get even more clearer as the days go by. IMHO, if anyone really cared about him, they would tell him to keep his eyes focused straight ahead and not show any animation in the Court room. They'd also tell him to cool it with the stares, smirks and smiles- before the Judge tells him. IMO, this guy's bad behaviour is constantly being enabled and running unchecked. Certainly if MS can do it- DM can- can't he? MOO

Stares smirks and smiles are again subject to interpretation. Sometimes human beings stare without really looking. I have done it many times when I am thinking about something. Smirking may have been a simple half smile. I just find the tweets about smiling pointless, as I am trying to focus on the case itself. I dont see it as bad behaviour. I will definitely be giving a report of what I see when I go to the court myself, it will be interesting for me to be able to answer from a live vantage point.

 

[ADAWG]

I think both MS and DM know they are guilty and grasping at whatever small hope of either getting a charge reduced or maybe place a seed of doubt that it wasn't their intention to kill it was the others. Although I think that'll prove tough when both acted in disposal of the body and trying to get rid of evidence.



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[Juballee]

Stares smirks and smiles are again subject to interpretation. Sometimes human beings stare without really looking. I have done it many times when I am thinking about something. Smirking may have been a simple half smile. I just find the tweets about smiling pointless, as I am trying to focus on the case itself. I dont see it as bad behaviour. I will definitely be giving a report of what I see when I go to the court myself, it will be interesting for me to be able to answer from a live vantage point.

I agree that expressions like smiles are subjective. I personally happen to smile almost all the time, it this the natural expression on my face when other human beings are around me, I cannot help that, it is just a natural reaction for some people. Even my resting face looks like I am grinning, which makes it very hard to get a drivers licence photo. I have many different emotions despite what my lips are doing, I even have a particular grin I have when I am offering sympathy towards someone.

I took the smiling yesterday to be a natural reaction to being in a large crowd after being in solitary confinement for almost 3 years. Humans are social animals, it harms our psyche to be isolated from other members of society, especially for long periods of time. Being without proper human company for long periods would naturally regress some manners, and the urge to smile and stare in a childlike manner would be a reasonable response, especially from someone who was naturally friendly to begin with, as testimony so far seems to indicate.

But this is all just my opinion.

 

[flipflop]

Stomach issues likely from the stress and anxiety knowing this is the start of his first life sentence


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He should lay off the dog biscuits.

 

[ArianeEmory]

He should lay off the dog biscuits.

Zing! Also: wow, you're a name from the past. (I was looking at the very earliest threads today chasing down a few hunches. I see a lot of those early names coming back. Saying it's "nice" is weird in this context, but I'm glad people are remembering Tim's case.)

 

[Juballee]

I agree with the defence setting things up....Dr appt could be set up for Fridays when court is not in session, but they chose to have it interrupt court for all to read that DM has a medical issue!!!

I doubt that they chose to interrupt court just so that everyone could know that DM has a medical issue, I would think that the real reason is that it would be against the human rights code to deny a prisoner necessary medical treatment at any time during their trial.

I actually thought I read a tweet somewhere today (not here) where it was mentioned that one of the defendants also had a medical appointment on Friday so as not to interfere with proceeding further, but I read thousands of tweets today, I'm not even going to try to find it, so I'll call it my opinion only.

 

[Tamarind]

<modsnip>
Would you smile at the wife of the woman whose husband you were accused of killing? Would you intentionally lock eyes with her and follow her movement with your gaze as she crosses the room, as you continue to grin hugely? Would you expect her to understand that you're just joyful at the prospect of freedom? Does your joy trump the fact that she is reliving the worst days of her life as the kidnapping, murder and incineration of her husband are being discussed and dissected in detail? Is there no room in your joy for just a touch of empathy for the actual victim in the room?

I'm sorry but I don't feel the need to explain myself. I hope the accused have family in the room, especially if their pleas are accurate.

 

[deugirtni]

Stares smirks and smiles are again subject to interpretation. Sometimes human beings stare without really looking. I have done it many times when I am thinking about something. Smirking may have been a simple half smile. I just find the tweets about smiling pointless, as I am trying to focus on the case itself. I dont see it as bad behaviour. I will definitely be giving a report of what I see when I go to the court myself, it will be interesting for me to be able to answer from a live vantage point.

These reporters who are live in attendance are there to report to the public (you) what they are seeing and hearing, so that you and I don't have to go ourselves every day. It is a service they are providing to the public. Sure, there could be interpretive differences, but how many reporters have there been now, who have commented on DM's inappropriate smiling? Several. I also saw it with my own eyes. They speak the truth. It is fine to look, (briefly), but it is simply not fine to smile, stare, nor follow someone out of the courtroom with a stare. These are *not* the accused's friends and family members.

I'm sure we all stare. .. even 'sleep with our eyes open' at times, perhaps. That is like a blank stare, almost trancelike.. not a stare where you swivel in your chair so that you can continue to stare down the witness, smiling, until she has exited the room. That gives me the shivers, just thinking how intimidating that had to have been for the poor woman, and after all that she has already been through. Just wow.

 

[ArianeEmory]

It's fine, if no one else wants to answer, I will: if I was either wrongfully accused of murder, or rightfully accused and sane enough to want to try to save my own butt, I would attempt to appear humble, sincere, and decorous, especially to the widow of a murder victim, no matter how much ebullience I was feeling on the inside. In the first case it would be because I was a normal person and wanted to show respect and deference for the victim and the process, and in the latter it would be because I was a sociopath who was smart enough to emulate acceptable human behavior.

In my opinion, DM is neither.