Bosma Murder Trial 02.03.16 - Day 3

[ArianeEmory]

I go back to my first thought that they were lost. TB's truck may not have had GPS and the flip burner phone didn't have a browser-perhaps they were figuring out where they were and how they were going to get back to Waterloo. IMHO, neither DM or MS would be that familiar with the roads- and they're not a straight line to the farm or hangar. Perhaps DM was checking to see if the trailer hitch on TB's truck would fit the eliminator? Curious if there's a browser history. MOO

Excellent point. I'd rejected earlier 'they were lost' theories in my head, because I was thinking "surely these guys had smart phones", but missed the fact that they didn't bring them along for the 'buy'. (And hey, THAT doesn't make them look guilty at ALL, does it?)

Browser on Tim's phone: I'm of the opinion that 1) he had no lock code on his phone, 2) it may have been the active app when they were fumbling with it and trying to turn it off.

 

[ADAWG]

I assume that they were looking for directions. I thought I read in the opening statements that Millard and Smichs phones were turned off at the same time as well. I imagine their excuse why their phones were off was they were out with so and so at the time of the murder and their phone was dead. Turning theirs on would ruin that alibi and put them in Brantford around 11:00PM

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Yes and it pinged again for the last time at 10:56pm in the same area. From following many cases on here involving cell phones and pings, I will say that was the time the battery was disengaged from the phone. So it appears that it was thrown on the ground and came apart at that time? Thrown out a vehicle window?

MOO

Which may help us figure out the type of phone he used. Up until recently my work issued phone was a Blackberry Bold. The back cover could be opened and the battery removed. The iPhone doesn't have that option. If they shut it off and smashed it, would the phone possibly live on for a short time, allowing it to ping again? MOO

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 11:59 AM
Still discussing things without the jury, so I can't tell you about anything being talked about right now.

 

[Kamille]

I assume that they were looking for directions. I thought I read in the opening statements that Millard and Smichs phones were turned off at the same time as well. I imagine their excuse why their phones were off was they were out with so and so at the time of the murder and their phone was dead. Turning theirs on would ruin that alibi and put them in Brantford around 11:00PM

I'm getting the impression their phones were turned off before they went to Tim's place. There is no information about their own personal phones. The burner phone appears to have been turned off at 9:23pm. Probably just as they were leaving the driveway. The argument now is the activity on the burner phone prior to 9:04pm when they arrived at Tim's.

MOO

 

[redheart]

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 6m6 minutes ago
On each of the toes of #MarkSmich's shoes he has the word "PACIFIC" written in blue ink #TimBosma murder trial.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

I assume that they were looking for directions. I thought I read in the opening statements that Millard and Smichs phones were turned off at the same time as well. I imagine their excuse why their phones were off was they were out with so and so at the time of the murder and their phone was dead. Turning theirs on would ruin that alibi and put them in Brantford around 11:00PM

What is not adding up for me with regards to the looking for directions angle is, if you were heading out to steal a truck and take it up to your airport hangar, would they not put some thought and research into their route before hand? I mean, based on what we've heard so far, it sounds like they weren't the best criminals in the world...sorry..."alleged" criminals, so maybe they didn't.

Someone did raise an interesting point in the Day 1 thread. Where LE found Tim's phone was about a 2 minute drive from the Brantford Airport. Does it stand to reason that he would have had dealings with anyone at the Brantford Airport and he would have been familiar with the route back to Kitchener/Waterloo? MOO

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 12:06 PM
Jury now being brought back in. Will be back underway shortly.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 6m6 minutes ago
On each of the toes of #MarkSmich's shoes he has the word "PACIFIC" written in blue ink #TimBosma murder trial.

Dreaming of the ocean?

Reminding himself to be 'pacific'?

 

[inbetweendoors]

If someone could help find the exact quote that'd be great, but one of the things I'm most interested to learn more about is the "largest computer seizure in (Ontario? Canadian?) history"

Where does everyone think that factors in?

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 12:10 PM
Again, points out that Jackson's testimony that he was told from other sources can't be viewed as absolute truth. “It’s merely to help you understand the chronology and the narrative as it unfolds," Goodman says.

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 12:09 PM
“There are legal issues that arise in every criminal case and I’m required to discuss those issues and rule on them in your absence,” Goodman says to the jury.

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted franky @susanclairmont any sign of the accused families being present for the trial ?

No.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Justice Andrew Goodman now discussing need for repeated legal arguments over course of this trial. Apologizes for delay. #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Legal arguments completed. #MillardSmich jury to be returned to courtroom.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 21s21 seconds ago
Sgt. Jackson says those reliable sources told him tattoo was on #Millard's left forearm. Witness told Jackson it was on a wrist.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Testimony recommences. Sgt. Jackson tells jury he received info from reliable sources in Peel & #TO that #Millard had an "Ambition" tattoo.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Justice Goodman now reminding jury Sgt Jackson's testimony is to be considered "narrative." Can't use things he heard from a source as truth

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 12:13 PM
The second man who reported going on a test drive also described one of the men as having an "ambition" tattoo.

Adam Carter
Feb 3 2016 12:11 PM
Jackson says he got evidence from two sources about a man who had the tattoo "ambition on his left forearm."

 

[Kamille]

What is not adding up for me with regards to the looking for directions angle is, if you were heading out to steal a truck and take it up to your airport hangar, would they not put some thought and research into their route before hand? I mean, based on what we've heard so far, it sounds like they weren't the best criminals in the world...sorry..."alleged" criminals, so maybe they didn't.

Someone did raise an interesting point in the Day 1 thread. Where LE found Tim's phone was about a 2 minute drive from the Brantford Airport. Does it stand to reason that he would have had dealings with anyone at the Brantford Airport and he would have been familiar with the route back to Kitchener/Waterloo? MOO

DM is very familiar with the Brantford airport. I believe there was an old MillardAir plane stationed there for quite some time. I also believe he witnessed an accident there when an employee fell off some scaffolding when he was younger. Not sure of his age at the time though.

MOO

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

I'm getting the impression their phones were turned off before they went to Tim's place. There is no information about their own personal phones. The burner phone appears to have been turned off at 9:23pm. Probably just as they were leaving the driveway. The argument now is the activity on the burner phone prior to 9:04pm when they arrived at Tim's.

MOO

Interesting timeline developing. If the burner phone was turned off when they left the driveway (or shortly before or after) at 9:23pm and Tim's phone was turned off at 10:02pm....once you factor in the approximately 32 minutes of drive time we are now down to only 7 minutes of missing time. If the hypothesis is that he was killed shortly after leaving the driveway and before they picked up the trailing vehicle...they had 7 minutes to work with. That is just one of the theories that has been bounced around. It is going to be very interesting once we see what surveillance video from the business at the end of Trinity Rd show, if anything.

 

[Ontario Mom]

If someone could help find the exact quote that'd be great, but one of the things I'm most interested to learn more about is the "largest computer seizure in (Ontario? Canadian?) history"

Where does everyone think that factors in?

Tony Leitch, the Hamilton Crown attorney prosecuting the Bosma case, says the project involves "one of the largest computer seizures in Ontario criminal law history."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Jury now coming back. #TimBosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 7m7 minutes ago
After several arguments... the jury is now coming back in. Sorry no info - not permitted to report what was discussed. #TimBosma @CTVNews

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 7m7 minutes ago
Jurors are heading into the courtroom. Justice Goodman will call Sgt. Jackson back in to continue his testimony @CHCHNews #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Assures them this is common in all cases, and not intended to hide info from them. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Judge explaining to jury that sometimes they will be asked to leave when legal issues arise. Det. Jackson resuming testimony. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Crown asks Sgt Jackson if he learned from sources Dellen Millard had a tattoo 'Ambition' on the left forearm. Jackson: Yes I did #TimBosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Jackson learned from 2 reliable police sources in Peel &Toronto that Dellen Millard had an AMBITION tattoo. #Bosma

NEWSTALK1010Verified account ‏@newstalk1010 3m3 minutes ago
Sgt. Jackson says he learned from two police sources that Dellen Millard had an "ambition" tattoo on his left forearm. #TimBosma

Colin ButlerVerified account ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
He also learned Millard's phone number and requested records from Rogers for the day #Bosma disappeared.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Sgt Jackson says Millard's cellphone pinged in Etobicoke, Oakville, Ancaster, Paris Rd (Brantford), Cambridge eve May 6, 2013 #TimBosma

Mark CarcasoleVerified account ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
After Ancaster, #Millard's phone hot towers in Brantford, Cambridge. Sgt. Jackson says that was significant because #TimBosma still missing

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Sgt Jackson says Millard's cellphone tower hits were very similar to the 'Lucas Bate' cellphone that had called #TimBosma

**Looks like Pillay lost that argument.

 

[ArianeEmory]

My thoughts then and now regarding the size of the computer seizure is just that DM was a rich kid and a video gamer who had a lot of toys. Not that it implied a huge crime ring.