Bosma Murder Trial 02.24.16 - Day 14

[LoyalSleuth]

Is she going to testify?

from what I have heard in MSM, yes - she will be testifying, for what side I don't know.

 

[swedie]

After Dellen Millard took over the company, the workforce changed, Williams says. "The employees were let go. Except there was one that remained on." That was Shane Schlatman.
by Adam Carter 2:38 PM

Her job was keeping track of expenses.
by Adam Carter 2:39 PM

There was a lone for the company taken out in Oct. 2012, to buy equipment needed to keep the business going. It was for approximately $3.7M, Williams says.
by Adam Carter 2:40 PM (I assume he means 'loan')

Interesting... about a month before WM was murdered. Did DM take this loan out without WM's consent? Wonder if he had the rights to do so?

That's a huge chunk of money to be treating "friends" to all kinds of goodies, trips, seadoos, hush money. In this case looks like money is the root of all evil. MOO.

 

[EspressoBean]

And she would invoice him? That seems to be a strange way to pay alimony. MOO

Mama didn't invoice the company. She was a paid employee with no job title or listed occupation.

Williams was referring to herself when she said she would invoice the company (for the bookkeeping)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Seems like DM was MB's bread and butter...of course she'd support him to the ends of the earth.

Some really hinky financial things going on at the MRO. You can't take out a massive loan for equipment, not buy any, and not have any trouble with the bank.

The company wasn't taking in any money and they had 14 on the payroll. Then, down to 1, SS, and was MB added to payroll at this point? Wasn't she one of the first people on the scene that talked to LE at WM's death scene?

If MA was tapped out and they had to get that loan to complete the project - was this the money DM was drawing on for his real estate deals?

 

[loveisthemovement]

Well, DM did buy an incinerator. Does that count as equipment?

 

[Kamille]

And she would invoice him? That seems to be a strange way to pay alimony. MOO

No...she was on the payroll. Just like she probably was when she was married to WM. It likely just never ended after the divorce as an agreement for alimony.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Well, DM did buy an incinerator. Does that count as equipment?

He bought that before the loan. Probably financed the entire 2011 Baja trip and everything else through MA as well. No wonder WM needed more money to purchase legit equipment.

MOO

 

[Gibson67]

Seems like DM was MB's bread and butter...of course she'd support him to the ends of the earth.

Some really hinky financial things going on at the MRO. You can't take out a massive loan for equipment, not buy any, and not have any trouble with the bank.

The company wasn't taking in any money and they had 14 on the payroll. Then, down to 1, SS, and was MB added to payroll at this point? Wasn't she one of the first people on the scene that talked to LE at WM's death scene?

If MA was tapped out and they had to get that loan to complete the project - was this the money DM was drawing on for his real estate deals?

sure seems like he was flipping real estate to try and make some money because the 3.7M was not his, it was the banks...so I guess he really wasn't the heir to anything? Did CM or WM not declare bankruptcy at some point?

 

[swedie]

3.7 million...that would help to purchase the condo on May 7, 2012 also. Do we know with certainty whose name the farmland was in at the time of TB's murder? Perhaps MB's? Days after DM's arrest, he signed over properties to his mother for $1, but the farmland was not included in those properties. A lot of things are looking very, very, sketchy IMHO.

Did DM get this loan, purchased big ticket items, unloading properties and other things on other people and then was going to try and claim bankruptcy with MA at some point? After the playhouse was build on the farmland, in his mother's name? Could this be what DP figured and then made the statement his client is intelligent? MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

No...she was on the payroll. Just like she probably was when she was married to WM. It likely just never ended after the divorce as an agreement for alimony.

MOO

I don't think this is legit. I.e., legally, can you really do that, pay out your personal debts through your registered business?

Why wouldn't the bookkeeper say the payroll went down from 14 to 2 instead of 1?

 

[Sphinx]

And she would invoice him? That seems to be a strange way to pay alimony. MOO

Maybe she received a percentage of the company as part of the divorce settlement when assets were divided, and another part of the settlement was that she would receive a certain minimum amount each year. IMO

 

[Kamille]

sure seems like he was flipping real estate to try and make some money because the 3.7M was not his, it was the banks...so I guess he really wasn't the heir to anything? Did CM or WM not declare bankruptcy at some point?

By the time of the murder, it appears that all that was left of MA were a few real estate holdings. The hangar and contents, Maple Gate house and contents and perhaps the Riverside Dr sixplex. The hangar had a 3.7 million dollar loan that may also have been taken against the Riverside Dr house? I think there was something about a lien before the sale of that? Don't know if there were loans against the hangar but we know WM only got 2 million for the other one so there may have been a mortgage on the hangar as well? Perhaps that's why the Riverside Dr house had the lien for the 3.7 million dollar loan?

ETA: And DM's personal property would be the farm, the Distillery condo and the Woodbridge condo? So looking at all that, I'd say MB was encouraging DM to liquidate due to financial problems back in April 2013 when she was applying for a permit for a drive shed at the farm. Move all the toys and the "business" there and sell off the hangar. Buy the condo in Toronto and sell Maple Gate. Keep the sixplex and the Woodbridge condo because they generated income.


MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

and why he is not with the other defendants? I say they have more evidence pointing at him right now than MS

IMO, IF he had prior knowledge of a planned theft of the truck, that would not constitute his involvement in a murder.

 

[Tealgrove]

Follow the money...............

 

[andreww]

And she would invoice him? That seems to be a strange way to pay alimony. MOO

Think you have that confused. The bookkeeper invoiced. MB drew a salary.

 

[MsSherlock]

Williams testimony around the Baja trip conversation seems so strange. There she is doing books for a company that has absolutely NO money coming in and the owner is concerned about the money he's going to need to go to a race? She was the bookkeeper! lmao Her job would be to make entries into the GL based on the needs of the company after the owner had already spent it, so IMO, the only way that she would be involved in a conversation with DM, was if DM was trying to figure out how he was going to finance the trip. Where could they get the money from. AFAIK, she was not the financial advisor. MOO

 

[Kamille]

I don't think this is legit. I.e., legally, can you really do that, pay out your personal debts through your registered business?

Why wouldn't the bookkeeper say the payroll went down from 14 to 2 instead of 1?

She said the employees went from 14 down to one. She also said DM and MB were not registered with a job title, even though they were on the payroll.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

It's interesting to have a payroll with no income to cover it!

 

[Gibson67]

does anyone know what this small claims court thing against Dellen was in 2013 after his arrest? Could it be about money owing?

In the summer of 2013, months after her son’s arrest, she told a judge in Toronto small claims court, where she was appearing on Dellen’s behalf, that he was innocent. It’s not known what her reaction was when MIllard was charged in April 2014 with the first degree murders of his father, Wayne, and his friend, Laura Babcock. According to sources who know the Millard family, police stepped up their pressure on Madeleine Burns not long after the additional charges were laid

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/madeleine-burns

 

[Kamille]

does anyone know what this small claims court thing against Dellen was in 2013 after his arrest? Could it be about money owing?

In the summer of 2013, months after her son’s arrest, she told a judge in Toronto small claims court, where she was appearing on Dellen’s behalf, that he was innocent. It’s not known what her reaction was when MIllard was charged in April 2014 with the first degree murders of his father, Wayne, and his friend, Laura Babcock. According to sources who know the Millard family, police stepped up their pressure on Madeleine Burns not long after the additional charges were laid

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/madeleine-burns

Could be. After the arrest, and the subsequent fall out of the company, there may have been some outstanding bills that didn't get paid? Perhaps one company took MA to court?

MOO