Bosma Murder Trial 03.09.16 - Day 22

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Pillay asking about the video taken from Super Sucker Ltd, where Plaxton was told about the time shift on the video. It had been fixed by the time he got to it.
by Adam Carter 2:34 PM

"The accuracy of that reported time really rests on what was told to you, correct?" Pillay asks. Plaxton agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:35 PM

Plaxton's report doesn't say who reported to him that the time was off, or when. "You make no reference in your report to the source of the reported time to you," Pillay says.
by Adam Carter 2:36 PM

 

[inbetweendoors]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
"The accuracy of that reported time really rests on what was told to you, correct?" Pillay asks. Plaxton agrees. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 50s50 seconds ago
Plaxton agrees digital devices are prone to errors and most of the videos in this case have time stamp errors

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s54 seconds ago
Takes issue w corrected time for SuperSuckers video. Says he relied on what he was told (which was that it was -3hours out). #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 45s46 seconds ago
Plaxton's report doesn't say who reported to him that the time was off, or when. #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 36s37 seconds ago
"You make no reference in your report to the source of the reported time to you," Pillay says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago
All he says in his notes is that. Not who told him or when he was told that. Plaxton agrees. #Bosma

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

This line of questioning drives me nuts. It wreaks of desperation....when you got nuttin', grasp at straws. Don't the activities shown in the video have more value than the exact time? They were able to calibrate the time using sunset. Let's say the times are within 15 minutes after being corrected...does that all of a sudden make the content of the videos less valid? Drives me coco-bananas! MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Plaxton was going by a police officer's notes on the time differential on that video.
by Adam Carter 2:37 PM

"There's nothing in your notes regarding the super sucker video being three hours behind, fair?" Pillay asks. Plaxton says yes.
by Adam Carter 2:37 PM

Pillay says there was "no objective verification" in Plaxton's mind about the time stamp issue.
by Adam Carter 2:39 PM

 

[inbetweendoors]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Video expert says he was told by an officer that the time stamp on one of the surveillance video was three hours out #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Pillay questioning lack of info in Plaxton's report about how he tested and adjusted time stamp on Super Sucker video that was out 3 hours.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Pillay notes Plaxton never said in his report where he got the time correction for the video near the #Bosma home

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer focusing on the three hour time stamp difference - did the expert question the officer at how he determined this?

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Pillay says there was "no objective verification" in Plaxton's mind about the time stamp issue. #TimBosma #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Expert agrees he doesn't know how the officer determined the time difference on the video #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Pillay suggesting Plaxton did no objective verification that video was out by 3 hours. Took word of cop and business owner. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 45s45 seconds ago
Plaxton says he got it from the officer who collected the video, but agrees that he didn't independently verify the time stamp error

 

[loveisthemovement]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
"The accuracy of that reported time really rests on what was told to you, correct?" Pillay asks. Plaxton agrees. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 50s50 seconds ago
Plaxton agrees digital devices are prone to errors and most of the videos in this case have time stamp errors

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s54 seconds ago
Takes issue w corrected time for SuperSuckers video. Says he relied on what he was told (which was that it was -3hours out). #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 45s46 seconds ago
Plaxton's report doesn't say who reported to him that the time was off, or when. #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 36s37 seconds ago
"You make no reference in your report to the source of the reported time to you," Pillay says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago
All he says in his notes is that. Not who told him or when he was told that. Plaxton agrees. #Bosma

I looked for the :beating a dead horse: emoticon but couldn't find it....

 

[SomeITGuy]

This line of questioning drives me nuts. It wreaks of desperation....when you got nuttin', grasp at straws. Don't the activities shown in the video have more value than the exact time? They were able to calibrate the time using sunset. Let's say the times are within 15 minutes after being corrected...does that all of a sudden make the content of the videos less valid? Drives me coco-bananas! MOO

You and me both - all I can think of is.. great here we go again. Trying to discredit some important evidence because of a timestamp.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Pillay now talking about the distance between Supersucker and Bobcat of Brantford where video of two vehicles was seized. We saw that video yesterday.
by Adam Carter 2:41 PM

Plaxton mapped that route, checked it in a GPS, and drove it himself to test how long it would take between those two distances.
by Adam Carter 2:43 PM

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Pillay says he didn't do any "objective verification" to confirm time on the video. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
28.1 km between SuperSucker and Bobcat companies, according to Google Maps and a GPS. Plaxton also drove the most direct route himself.

Plaxton said it was 29 km, and took about 20 mins to travel that distance driving the speed limit.
by Adam Carter 2:44 PM

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 25s25 seconds ago
Pillay now talking about distance between the Ancaster business near the #Bosma home and the Brantford bobcat dealership

 

[inbetweendoors]

"When you testified yesterday, you recognized your report had an error in it?" Pillay says. Plaxton says yes.
by Adam Carter 2:44 PM

ETA - AC has updated this to read:

"When you testified yesterday, you recognized your report had an error in it?" Pillay says. Plaxton says yes. Pillay then calls it a "significant" error.
by Adam Carter 2:44 PM

 

[EspressoBean]

The big question everyone really wants to know is, "Was anyone video recording him while he was looking at the video recordings?"

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

You and me both - all I can think of is.. great here we go again. Trying to discredit some important evidence because of a timestamp.

We have to trust that if we are feeling that way, the people of the jury are as well. Fingers crossed. MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Re: route (time/distance) from SuperSucker to Bobcat of Brantford, Pillay says he made a 'significant error' in his report. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Plaxton's report had a significant error in it. Said it took 19 minutes for two vehicles to travel that route. Ought to have said 29 mins.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 57s57 seconds ago
"When you testified yesterday, you recognized your report had an error in it?" Pillay says. Plaxton says yes. #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 31s31 seconds ago
The error is the elapsed time between those two points. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

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"Fair to say that when you wrote 19 minutes in your report, that bolstered the reported time of the Super Sucker video?" Pillay says. Plaxton says it was just an arithmetic error. "I didn't think about the Super Sucker time at all."
by Adam Carter 2:47 PM

 

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Pillay now asking about "expectation bias" -- when you unconsciously see results that fit a bias. Pillay alleges that was what was happening here. Plaxton says it was just a mistake.
by Adam Carter 2:48 PM

 

[inbetweendoors]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Expert admits to making an 'arithmetic' error during his report #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Pillay says 19 minutes bolstered Super Sucker video. Plaxton says he simply made a mistake. Pillay talks about "expectation bias."

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer asking expert about 'expectation bias' that can come up during investigations #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 45s46 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Expert "I try very hard to keep as unbiased as possible when preparing my reports" #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 42s43 seconds ago
Pillay suggests Plaxton's report says what his expected conclusion would be, even though it is not the true result.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 30s31 seconds ago
Pillay now asking about "expectation bias" -- when you unconsciously see results that fit a bias. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

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"You know as an expert that expectation is something you have to be careful about?" Pillay says. Plaxton responds yes.
by Adam Carter 2:49 PM

"I try very hard to keep myself as unbiased as possible when I'm preparing my reports," Plaxton says.
by Adam Carter 2:49 PM

 

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Pillay says witnesses can be very inaccurate when recalled times of an event. "You can't rely on witnesses accounts to get the base of how much a time stamp was off," Pillay says. Plaxton agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:51 PM

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Plaxton agrees witnesses may get times wrong. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
Pillay is reminding expert of math error yesterday, in calculating video time: 19 mins instead of 29. Expectation bias? 19 mins fits theory

 

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Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Pillay says witnesses can be very inaccurate when recalled times of an event.#TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
You can't rely on witnesses accounts to get the base of how much a time stamp was off," Pillay says. Plaxton agrees. #TimBosma #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer: You didn't do anything to try and verify the time stamp... on the first video court saw - from May 6, 2013 #Bosma

Plaxton says he didn't speak to investigators to find out exactly when the men arrived at the Bosma residence. He says he went off of a statement from Sharlene Bosma. Pillay says she could have given a "very inaccurate" statement about the time.
by Adam Carter 2:55 PM

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Plaxton didn't find out exactly what time suspects arrived at #Bosma home. Based on Sharlene Bosma's statement rather than phone recorded

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

I am super confused right now. If he took the most obvious route, which is the 403 to Brantford, Google maps tell us it is approximately 16 minutes from Super Sucker to Oak Park Road (where Brantford Bobcat is located.) Now...considering they came from the left on the Bobcat video that suggests they didn't take the 403 to Brantford...or they exited at some point and came in from the north of Brantford. Which route did he take that took 29 minutes? MOO

Clearly I am hell bent on figuring this out. Another obvious route that we've discussed in the past is to turn left on Wilson St and take the quieter highway 2. Look how long that route takes!!!

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/43....0x882c66045e66e30b:0xc82cfc0c17ee4848!1m0!3e0

 

[inbetweendoors]

Plaxton did an "overlay" with one of the vehicles to see if it matched the SUV in the vehicle -- done with Millard's Yukon. He couldn't do that with Bosma's truck because it "wasn't drivable," Plaxton says. He says he didn't want to use a "similar vehicle."
by Adam Carter 2:57 PM

"The general characteristics are consistent between the two vehicles," Plaxton says.
by Adam Carter 2:57 PM

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Pillay asks about arrival of two men at #Bosma home. Plaxton went by Sharlene's account of their arrival time vs checking phone records.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Pillay says her account could be "very inaccurate."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s47 seconds ago
Pillay asks about reverse projection photogrammetry. Plaxton says he couldn't with #Bosma truck because it was not drivable when recovered.

'It could be the vehicle, but you can't say," Pillay says. Plaxton agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:58 PM

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Plaxton can't say for sure it was #Bosma truck in Super Sucker video.