Bosma Murder Trial 04.13.16 - Day 34

[meterclicks]

Back in the courtroom here now -- it was very packed here today. Both the main courtroom and the overflow courtroom were full this morning.
by Adam Carter 2:12 PM

 

[musicaljoke]

I hear you, but respectfully add that none of us know how anyone will act in those defining moments. Who will be the the hero that goes in the burning building, who goes up the WTC on 911 when everyone else goes down, or who will stand up and defend what is rightfully theirs.

There was no need to defend the truck. It's just a thing, and there would inevitably be insurance if the truck was stolen. Now if someone was attempting to abduct his daughter, he would likely have been willing to give up his life to defend her.

 

[billandrew]

I hear you, but respectfully add that none of us know how anyone will act in those defining moments. Who will be the the hero that goes in the burning building, who goes up the WTC on 911 when everyone else goes down, or who will stand up and defend what is rightfully theirs.

Your logic is not sitting well with me. Tim was not so desperate to sell his truck that he would fight back - unarmed - against two people, both (or one) of whom were holding a loaded gun in his face. That's just not how it went down.

 

[meterclicks]

Court back in session. Jury being recalled.
by Adam Carter 2:16 PM

 

[brightii]

Are you thinking that the Yukon and DM who are in the video at the hanger on the 6th and early morning 7th, left the hanger and dropped someone off, picked up Mark and then picked up MM? Seems very unlikely to me. Even MM's texts indicate he was with DM. MOO

Quote honestly I haven't figured it all out, but I do have doubts about the person in the hangar video. I hope it comes up again in testimony, as I would like to see my doubts resolved, not only for my sake, but for those here who cannot see what I am seeing.

All MOO.

 

[Ironworker736]

You are correct regarding the fact that I wouldn't make a good criminal. I cannot comment regarding "why not just shoot Igor", I am still trying to figure out why DM and MS had such a sick sense of entitlement to feel that killing someone over a truck is justified. Then to cover up the murder, hide the truck, and go on with day to day activities like nothing happened...not to mention the amount of tax payers dollars this case is costing AND the amount it will cost the HONEST (may I add non-criminal) working people of this country.

However, regarding the "back story on Tim and the truck, how it was a money pit and how desperate Tim was to sell it"...auto insurance covers theft of a vehicle.

IMO, there will never be an explanation to such a horrific event, an event that never had to occur.
Thoughts are with the Bosma family and friends...justice will come.

<BBM>
I think this is an excellent point that should be read by everyone complaining about legal arguments. If not for these necessary procedures, we could very well be looking at doubling those cost, or more, with a mistrial. This process is bigger than any impatience that any individual spectator may be feeling IMO.

 

[meterclicks]

Millard's friend Andrew Michalski now back in the witness box for more cross-examination from Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak.
by Adam Carter 2:17 PM

Court now seeking texts between Millard and Michalski from April 29, 30 and May 1, 2013.
by Adam Carter 2:18 PM

The first text is from April 29, from Michalski to Millard. It reads: "How many people you want Wednesday?" This is for planning a BBQ.
by Adam Carter 2:21 PM

Millard responds "5 guys, 10 girls."
by Adam Carter 2:22 PM

"That's the ideal situation for you guys, the more girls the better?" Sachak says. "Of course," Michalski responds.
by Adam Carter 2:23 PM

 

[meterclicks]

Michalski says he had no difficulty with that.
by Adam Carter 2:24 PM

Michalski responds at one point "I don't know many classy girls so that's as far as my invites go."
by Adam Carter 2:25 PM

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Jury's being called back. Michalski back on the stand. Sachak still up for cross-examination. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
We're back. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Sachak is now showing Michalski a series of texts btwn he and Millard from April 29-May 1, 2013. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
More extraction reports on screen. For April 29, 2013. Texts btwn Kowalski and Millard. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski is back on the stand & we are looking at texts from Apr 2013 between him & #Millard. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Michalski is shown here as "Kowalski" #Bosma

 

[Abitcountry]

You wouldn't make a very good criminal. Guns are a very persuasive tools. Generally people will do whatever you say when you point one. Every once in a while someone gets brave and usually they are the ones that end up dead. The back story on Tim and the truck, how it was a money pit and how desperate Tim was to sell it leads me to believe Tim was desperate enough to fight back.

Consider this as well, if that plan was to simply shoot him, why not just shoot Igor? If that is your intention, its not difficult. No, the object was likely to evict the owner from the vehicle and Igor presented a much bigger problem as far as intimidation and control goes. Not just getting him out of the vehicle, but Igor was more likely to be armed and cause trouble once out of the vehicle.

Geez andreww....what is it??? Post 203 --....'people will do whatever you say when you point one. [gun, that is]'

and then down in Post 210....'you don't know how people will react [in a crisis] or when defending what is theirs'.

There is absolutely no doubt that both Tim and his wife were anxious to sell the truck and ease their financial situation. But the moment she realized her husband may be in trouble, her priorities were made abundantly clear and she said so in a press scrum. Sharlene pleaded for her husband's safe return and expressed her dismay that Tim may have come to harm over what she termed was "just a truck".
Do you think for a moment that Tim felt any different and would have risked his life for "just a truck"....I can well imagine that he would have given anything to get back to his wife and child....anything.

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Kowalski: "how many people do you want Wednesday?"
DM: "sup?"
DM: "5 guys, 10 girls."
K: "k I've got a couple right now." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests they were planning a BBQ at the Millard home. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak is really pressing him about the BBQ. "you were going to cook bacon...vegetables." Yes, Michalski says. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"That's the ideal situation for you guys, the more girls the better?" Sachak says. "Of course," Michalski responds. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Re: the 2-1 girl/guy ratio, Sachak says "you didn't have any problem with that." Michalski says he did--"it was a Wednesday." #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski responds at one point "I don't know many classy girls so that's as far as my invites go." #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Kowalski mentions a few girls by name. Then says he doesn't know that many classy girls. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard: "great meal honey, someday you'll make a great wife." Michalski had left food for Millard. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
They joke back and forth about the menu. "Great meal honey someday you'll make a great wife," DM writes to him. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
(this BBQ is taking place on wed. May 1, 2013) #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Serving bacon at the BBQ. Millard: Passing Milton, still need to stop for gas and plates. #Bosma

 

[dar107]

Whats up with the bacon...is that code for something??? Who plans on cooking bacon and veggies for a BBQ??? Now burgers with Bacon to top it...YES.

And I am sure every girl that knows AM is glad to know he did not consider them "classy" jeez :shame:

 

[brightii]

Millard's friend Andrew Michalski now back in the witness box for more cross-examination from Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak.
by Adam Carter 2:17 PM

Court now seeking texts between Millard and Michalski from April 29, 30 and May 1, 2013.
by Adam Carter 2:18 PM

The first text is from April 29, from Michalski to Millard. It reads: "How many people you want Wednesday?" This is for planning a BBQ.
by Adam Carter 2:21 PM

Millard responds "5 guys, 10 girls."
by Adam Carter 2:22 PM

"That's the ideal situation for you guys, the more girls the better?" Sachak says. "Of course," Michalski responds.
by Adam Carter 2:23 PM

bbm

BBQ is how SS and DM referred to the Eliminator incinerator, so now any reference to this common patio item, now makes me feel sick every time I hear it in context of this trial.

All MOO.

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 44s45 seconds ago
Sachak asks about the toolbox. Michalski had (again) seen it before, in Millard's bedroom. Was where he kept his drugs. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
They'd be given out to friends at a party, Sachak suggests. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Michalski had seen Millard's yellow tool box at parties with drugs in it. Kept in Dell's room. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 44s45 seconds ago
Now on to the toolbox; #Millard kept it in his room, locked. "That's where Dellen kept his drugs?" "Yes." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He kept the toolbox locked. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
Sachak asks about the video game called Halo Wars. They'd play it together in Millard's basement. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"Stealth Mission" was Michalski's code name for gaming. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 50s50 seconds ago
"It's just a name," he says. Sachak suggests mission was a word used amongst the friends. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Like the bobcat theft, the drop for Smich on May 11, Sachak suggests. Yes sir, he says. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
But it was also used for legal activities, Sachak suggests. Again Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Used term "mission" for legal and illegal purposes. All the friends used it.

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Asked Hagerman if he could run a quick mission. That time it was illegal, dumping the backpack and toolbox.

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak brings up his testimony from yesterday that he and Dell had been looking at Kijiji ads for trucks. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
You figured he wanted to steal a dodge 3500? Sachak asks.
At that time no, Michalski says. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: he really wanted one.
Michalski: needed.
#Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak asks about the ad Millard showed him on May 4. "He shows you very clearly, I want that truck." Michalski agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: He tells you "I'm going to steal a truck."
Michalski: yes sir. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 46s46 seconds ago
Two days before #Bosma disappears Millard makes reference to stealing a truck. One day before, Millard says again he will steal a truck.

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: on May 5, he again tells you he wants the truck. He's going to steal the truck. No doubt in your mind.
Michalski: yes sir. #Bosma

Colin ButlerVerified account &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Michalski says Millard made it clear he and Smich were going to steal a truck #TimBosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Talking about kijiji ad. And that DM had been looking for one for a yr. "He needed one" says Michalski. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: you're told by Smich they could not steal the truck because he was sick.
Michalski: by Dell.
Sachak: in Smich's presence. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: and then Dell says I'm going to see another truck tmrw. Take it for a test drive.
Michalski: yes sir. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak: and that test drive was so he could steal the truck.
Michalski: yes sir.
Sachak: no secret.
Michalski: none. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Susan ClairmontVerified account &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Millard asks if he should steal the truck from the a..hole or the nice guy. Michalski says he told him to f..k off. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak: and he asks you, should I steal the nice guy or the a..hole's truck? And that's when you said "f..k off."
Michalski: yes sir. #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
No secret he was looking at a truck may 6th. He was going to steal it. "Yes sir" michalski. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Odd line of questioning. To remind jury of sequence of events. And now it's over. And we r back to bob cat. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak going back now to the Oct 19, 2012 theft of the Bobcat. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
In one text to DM, Michalski says "clear to fountain." That's Fountain Rd, by the airport/hangar. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski was driving ahead of the truck/trailer, "doing surveillance." #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak now again attempting to illustrate that the theft of the Bobcat was a "well executed mission" with planning involved #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 50s51 seconds ago
"I've got three more files of these," Sachak says, joking. "Bring them on," Michalski quips back. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He was too keep an eye out for cops etc and notify them by walkie talkie if there were any issues. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak jokes about how many more questions he has. Michalski says "bring em on." Chuckles. #Bosma

 

[Nosey Parker]

I can only conclude that this lawyer is simply delaying DT's cross!

 

[Sillybilly]

First thing that came to my mind when the Military experience was mentioned, was what did he do, and who would miss him? Killing someone that was in the Israeli military, may be analogous to killing a member of a biker gang, or the mob. Just because of their tenacity to settle the score.

Not suggesting anything bad about the military if comes across that way. MOO

Israeli Military training = trained to kill.

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 51s52 seconds ago
Sachak asks about phone call from Smich on May 10. "He is angry," he says. Michalski pauses, agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 51s51 seconds ago
"He was forceful," Sachak suggests, re: drugs. Michalski says no, he was trying to cover him. He was panicked. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests he was forceful. Michalski says panicked. Sachak suggests he was loud. Michalski disagrees. #Bosma

Colin ButlerVerified account &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Michalski disagrees with Sachak that Smich was angry and forceful when he told Michalski to get the drugs out of Millard's house #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 44s45 seconds ago
Sachak asks if he told him in a whisper to get rid of the drugs. Michalski says no. He was loud, Sachak says. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Colin ButlerVerified account &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 48s49 seconds ago
"He was panicked," Michalski tells Sachak more than once. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Call from Smich on May 11 telling Michalski to get the drugs out of the house. Sounded "panicked."

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 59s60 seconds ago
When police talked to him on May 13, they cautioned him. They said he could call a lawyer. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 54s55 seconds ago
Sachak asking if #Smich was angry & forceful after #Millard arrest, telling Michalski to get rid of drugs. No, "he was panicked." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account &#8207;@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
Because he was arrested for the first-degree murder of Tim #Bosma. (Arrested, he was never charged).

Whoa...did we know AM was arrested? And that everything he said was after that?

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

From my perspective, especially when the full photo is viewed showing MS's entire body, he is much thinner and scrawnier than the person in the hangar video, IMO. MS's shoulders are not as broad as the person in the hangar video, IMO. And the hoodie's seem different in the hangar video than this one MS is wearing which is really long but rather fitted to his thin frame. The person in the hangar video appears to be wider, bulkier, and his hoodie wider and shorter, and with the sleeves of the hoodie practically hanging loose covering much of his hands, rather than gathered at the wrist by a fitted cuff, as MS's does, and the hoodie falls completely flat on the person in the hangar video, unlike in this pic of MS, IMO.

All MOO.

With regards to the hangar video...I'm of the belief that it is MS in his signature hoodie. The head is way too small for the body otherwise. MOO