Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[MsSherlock]

If she was cooperating with police, they would have the other letters that CN supposedly left with MB and would probably have CN's letters to DM also.

IMO, there is absolutely no way MB was cooperating with police

Agreed. IMHO, MB was not working as an operative for LE. IIRC, MB hasn't even given a statement!! Anything we know about MB's actions have been from CN and DM's letters. MB has been missing in action from the get go. Neighbours hadn't seen her for a while when they found the trailer, yet she was apparently there, talking to CN & DM when they dropped the trailer off on the 9th. None of the neighbours seemed to see her slip out of Tinsmith Crt on the Friday night with her Prius when her and CN got out of dodge. No one saw her over at Maple Gate when she was picking up cash, cheques and stuff. Matter of fact, no one has seem MB at all. For a woman that's been so heavily involved, MB seems to be very successful at being invisible. MOO

 

[mozzagirl]

Hmm, now I question whether all the letters went through his mom?

This one passage from a letter made me think it wasn't her directly sometimes or at all.

"I saw my Mum this morning. [...] I expect a messenger is coming soon to pick this up."

 

[hellkat2]

I am just reading the letters and I have come to my own conclusion that DM is full of s*** when writing to CN that undercover cops are watching his mom's house and stopped someone who went there. I highly doubt undercover cops were tasked with watching DM's mom house every day months and months after his arrest. IMO, it was a manipulation tactic of his to scare her into being very careful if she ended up talking to AM. In the same letter as this story about his mom's house, his next paragraph lists how he wants her to contact AM.

MOO.

I have no difficulty believing detectives were watching the house. maybe they set up cameras to monitor it. Who knows what all they do but ...anything is possible. And the reason DM may have repeated this to CN is bcause his mother told him about this. It may or may not have been true. I think it likely that she was cooperating with the investigation very quickly.

 

[mozzagirl]

Another passage that solidifies that MB was getting the letters through someone else like DM's lawyer. I bet MB's visits were behind glass with no chance to pass things.

"As nice as a prison visit would be, it is only twenty minutes, separated by glass."

 

[hellkat2]

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While I certainly don't think MS is innocent, I still question whether or not he actually knew Tim was going to be shot.

I watched a documentary and they were interviewing criminals. The criminals were saying they would never bring a weapon with them on their crime sprees because of the time they would have to do in prison if they got caught. Better to get caught breakng and entering without a weapon. The others concurred that they would never want to bring a weapon with them because it would add significant time to their sentence if caught.

 

[jash]

Another passage that solidifies that MB was getting the letters through someone else like DM's lawyer. I bet MB's visits were behind glass with no chance to pass things.

"As nice as a prison visit would be, it is only twenty minutes, separated by glass."

I was just coming on to post about this!

 

[deugirtni]

Wow, I'm so glad that CN kept these letters....DM incriminated himself by writing them!!

I really wonder why DM was so insistent that CN give him the details of her story as to where she was/who she was with etc on May 6th from 5pm until May 7th in the early morning? If she was not involved, why the need to spin up a story about this time? Leads me to believe she was more involved than what we know.

He was going to use her as an alibi if he could swing it in conjunction with her proven movements/actions/communications that fateful night. moo

 

[mozzagirl]

Anyone else that read the letters SO insanely curious to know about the redacted parts??

I bet they are all about her involvement.

 

[hellkat2]

How do you explain the deliberate breach of the no contact when she phoned DM from a pay phone? LE does not condone breaking the law for something like a voice call that is not recorded. MB was cooperating all right, with DM.

MOO

It was DM's mom who called him and then gave phone to CN....and he sang a song to her. I find it interesting that CN managed to remember this happening given her convenient memory for everything else. I feel that this phone call was brought to her attention and so had to address it. Who would have brought this call to the attention of the crown? DM is saying they could have been followed? Or did DM's mom set it all up....again assisting in the investigation for LE.

 

[deugirtni]

Sorry guys but I just can't keep up, so if this has already been said, my apologies!

When BD testified that MS believed that DM was framing him.. I thought at the time that it was simply paranoia, and rightfully so, considering their actions that night. But from today's letter evidence, it has become clear in my mind at least, that DM was in fact trying to frame MS. I'm just having such a hard time with that. Like isn't it bad enough to drag one of your best friends into your criminal escapades just so you can get a free truck, even though you're wealthy? The guy also needed to frame him and make it all be his fault if possible? Wow. What I'm curious about is how at that early time, did MS know that DM was trying to frame him? God, no wonder the guy was so paranoid. Is it still considered paranoia when your delusions are reality?

 

[deugirtni]

It was DM's mom who called him and then gave phone to CN....and he sang a song to her. I find it interesting that CN managed to remember this happening given her convenient memory for everything else. I feel that this phone call was brought to her attention and so had to address it. Who would have brought this call to the attention of the crown? DM is saying they could have been followed? Or did DM's mom set it all up....again assisting in the investigation for LE.

Wouldn't the jails record the inmates' telephone conversations?

 

[Typhoo1961]

I saw a picture of the Bosma home in the media. It has a long drive way and looked like it was in a rural setting but could be wrong about that.

The Bosma home is in a rural setting. Ancaster is not far from where I live.

 

[mozzagirl]

It was DM's mom who called him and then gave phone to CN....and he sang a song to her. I find it interesting that CN managed to remember this happening given her convenient memory for everything else. I feel that this phone call was brought to her attention and so had to address it. Who would have brought this call to the attention of the crown? DM is saying they could have been followed? Or did DM's mom set it all up....again assisting in the investigation for LE.

This phone call came up because DM wrote in one of his letter's that he is thankful his mom called him from a payphone and put CN on the phone.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Those letters are so transparent to me. I am at a loss for words. How can any woman believe all that rubbish and put herself in such a precarious position? I'm never going to understand it.

I wonder how long the Jury will take to find them guilty?

I wonder the same exact thing every single time I follow a case where a woman supported/defended her piece of garbage husband/boyfriend. So I always have to remind myself, that no matter what the public sees, she clearly saw something in him that drew her to him like a magnet. There are just too many variables to list, but it usually contains one of the following: lack of self-respect, money, sex, opportunity, attention or drugs/booze. Often times it's a combination of several of those. Clearly, DM gave CN something she wanted & liked enough to keep coming back for more. Personally, she comes across as an attention seeker and I suppose DM gave her plenty of that (hence the reason for the Kinks nickname).

moo.

 

[Tilly23]

This phone call came up because DM wrote in one of his letter's that he is thankful his mom called him from a payphone and put CN on the phone.

Is it normal to be able to make a call from a payphone to a prison and have an inmate paged to answer it? This just seems odd to me. MOO.

 

[jash]

Hmm, was he going to blame MS for the purchase of the gun holster?

 

[deugirtni]

I am curious to know why MS faces additional charges for communicating with MM, when it seems to me (I may have missed a bit) that nothing was really mentioned about this during MM's testimony, but yet allllllllll of this proof of same has been entered into evidence in this trial, and yet no similar charges were brought against DM and/or CN?

Jan 16, 2015 | Vote 0 0

Co-accused in Bosma murder case faces new charge

News services file photo

Mark Smich, right, and Dellen Millard, right, are
charged with first-degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma.

Hamilton Spectator By Susan Clairmont

A new charge has been laid against one of Tim Bosma's accused killers for allegedly breaching a court order not to have contact with his girlfriend.

Mark Smich was charged Monday by Det. Mark Carbone of the Toronto police homicide unit. Documents filed with the courthouse in Etobicoke say the alleged breach of recognizance happened between April 10 and July 31 of last year while Smich was in custody at the Toronto West Detention Centre.

There is a court order banning the publication of the girlfriend's name.

Usually, those on an accused's "do not contact list" are victims, co-accused or potential witnesses.
....

 

[hellkat2]

Another passage that solidifies that MB was getting the letters through someone else like DM's lawyer. I bet MB's visits were behind glass with no chance to pass things.

"As nice as a prison visit would be, it is only twenty minutes, separated by glass."

I would imagine that the lawyer accompanied MB to some visits with DM to sign over power of attorney etc, sold his condo to her for a dollar.....all kinds of stuff like this. It would not be a leap to say that things got transferred at those times.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Let's also not forget that DM likely started "grooming" CN when she was a teenager.

 

[hellkat2]

I wonder the same exact thing every single time I follow a case where a woman supported/defended her piece of garbage husband/boyfriend. So I always have to remind myself, that no matter what the public sees, she clearly saw something in him that drew her to him like a magnet. There are just too many variables to list, but it usually contains one of the following: lack of self-respect, money, sex, opportunity, attention or drugs/booze. Often times it's a combination of several of those. Clearly, DM gave CN something she wanted & liked enough to keep coming back for more. Personally, she comes across as an attention seeker and I suppose DM gave her plenty of that (hence the reason for the Kinks nickname).

moo.

Birds of a feather flock together.