Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #1

[Snowglobe]

Thank you, Swedie. I have no doubt that the coroner talked to DM directly, by phone, as that is what MEs do. They would have spoken about the initial circumstances surrounding the death of WM. I don't know that they would have talked to him when the final report was complete.

By the time of WM's memorial, DM could have told anyone anything. There would have been nothing in writing to prove him wrong. However, insurance companies often require a detailed ME's report, which is only released once all ME reports are finalized, sometimes months later. In some places, the policy is for the ME to speak directly to the next-of-kin by phone before the final report is made, as there have been some cases in the media where families were shocked to learn months later from the written report (mailed out, for a fee, on order forms sent to the kin at time of death) that their loved one had not suffered an accidental death, but was murdered.
I'd be curious to know if the coroner's report had been completed by the time TB was murdered, and if any insurance claims WRT WM had been paid out. Wait and see if this comes up in court as to motive, I guess.

Here's me thinking that the obituary was written to allay any suspicions on the part of insurers as to DM being anything but a straight-up, loving son.

Any recent policy would have been contestable, and any policy at all would not have paid out to a beneficiary who murdered the insured, IMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Thats the thing, was he there? If there was a vehicle following the truck,lets say it was DM's truck. Maybe at some point after deciding he wanted that truck, DM got out ( having paid TB ), got in his own vehicle and left other(s) to drop TB back home, and bring truck later. Maybe he had an errand to run or was seeing someone. There is a possibility that other(s) were left alone with TB, who may have had a pocket full of cash ( full amount or deposit). There is a time lapse of 3 1/2 hours before the alleged video at hangar.

The video at the hangar of DM incinerating TB's body? How on earth does anything else that might have happened before that make a man who killed and burned another, innocent?

 

[MsSherlock]

I think if the truck was in the hangar being refitted and overhauled, it should lay the thrill kill suspicion to rest IMHO. Obviously the truck was wanted as a truck. It is what happened during the acquisition of the truck that is now under scrutiny IMO.

I have always wondered if money did change hands and that someone wanted that money.

I think it's safe to assume that hangar was DM's oversized personal garage. Access to it was greatly restricted and it was not open to the public. If you substitute "DM's oversized personal garage" with Hangar it changes things. A dead man's truck was in "DM's oversized personal garage" and was being refitted and overhauled within 36 hours of the dead man's disappearance. By definition, a hangar is really someplace where they store or work on aircraft- what DM really had was a 50,000 square foot implement shed/garage/bachelor pad. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

"He also threw out the bizarre quote that “I can’t get into the framing aspect” and that, once other suspects are in custody, “I think you’ll have a fuller picture of what’s going on.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16...ll-kill-source

DM seems to have expected a lot of loyalty from these people, yet shown them none.

How do we know this, that he was not loyal? Maybe thats why he is sitting in jail, either that or he was oblivious to the deed until hours afterwards.

The quote above states clearly 'other suspects', which again leads me to believe that there are people involved that haven't been identified yet.

 

[SnooperDuper]

How do we know this?

The quote above states clearly 'other suspects', which again leads me to believe that there are people involved that haven't been identified yet.

DM expected all of his cronies to keep their mouths shut and back them up. He shook his head when he learned that Ms had told his girlfriend that TB was "gone, gone, gone". He asked, begged, demanded that another friend change his testimony to keep DM out of jail, he fired AJ for contacting CrimeStoppers, he's about to throw MS under the bus. Is this a loyal guy?

 

[RandomName479]

Ok....again assuming all of this is true....you're saying MS got the incinerator on his own....had keys to the hangar...and DM wasn't at the hangar that night (meaning crown video evidence actually doesn't show DM).....so in your opinion DM is only guilty of helping MS dispose of evidence after the fact?

eTa - can someone tell me how to quote a post from my phone? I can't figure it out....TIA

 

[Errrr]

*SB also saw DM and on a cell phone as he walked up her laneway......

There's likely many more indication the burner phone was DM's but I'll leave it at that. We will let the Crown prove it was DM's burner phone.
ALL MOO.

It's funny if you think DM probably decided to talk on the cell while standing right in front of TBs house in order to establish a strong link between the fictional Lucas Bate and the car jacking. Obviously cognizant of the cell tracking capabilities of authorities since they turned their own off. That is also why I don't think those guys realized TBs phone was in the truck until they reached Oakpark turn-off. Could they be stupid enough to keep a tracking device in there if they had known about it?

 

[Gumshew]

It's interesting that the word "pedo" in Mexican gang language means "trouble" and is the name of DM gave to his dog, a Mexican street hound he adopted.

 

[greenthumb]

IMO, DM was very familiar with the Brantford Airport-I'm also very familiar with Ancaster, Brantford, the Airport and all the routes to Cambridge and roads to Waterloo International. An easy route from Brantford Airport to Cambridge is Hwy 24. But, it can get confusing if you're travelling on Hwy 53(Colborne St) in Brantford because they have another road aka Regional 24. IMHO, DM knew the area from the Brantford Airport to Ayr but not Ancaster to the Airport. Instead of taking Hwy 24 that would have swung him to the South down to the Airport, DM made a right turn on RR 24 and headed North- easy mistake to make. The good news was that RR 24 runs right into Hwy 24 (Paris Road). Once he was there, he knew where he was. That's my hypothesis. I don't think this route was planned. The irony of this route is that it goes right by Brantford Hospital. If TB had been injured, they could have just dropped him in that vicinity. MOO

I'm trying to visualize the route you are picturing he may have followed. Could you clarify, please? Thanks!

I was speculating that, to avoid urban/higher traffic areas, they may have taken a route turning left from Trinity Road onto Hwy 2 heading west into Brantford, where Hwy 2 is called Colborne St. E. (hence the reports of the truck being seen on Colborne St. in Brantford - is there any confirmation that the truck was actually in DOWNTOWN Brantford?); then turned right onto Garden Ave, which leads to the 403 West; then I think they may have taken the Oak Park Rd exit, which would lead them past Kemira where TB's cell phone was located. From there, they would just need to turn left onto Paris Rd, then follow a route heading north either through Paris, or jogged to the west to follow Puttown Rd up on the west side of Ayr, to reach Roseville Rd.

All MOO, just speculating.

 

[Tamarind]

I think it's safe to assume that hangar was DM's oversized personal garage. Access to it was greatly restricted and it was not open to the public. If you substitute "DM's oversized personal garage" with Hangar it changes things. A dead man's truck was in "DM's oversized personal garage" and was being refitted and overhauled within 36 hours of the dead man's disappearance. By definition, a hangar is really someplace where they store or work on aircraft- what DM really had was a 50,000 square foot implement shed/garage/bachelor pad. MOO

I really dont think it matters what you call the hangar. Coupled with AJ's and Igors testimony it becomes clear that the truck was needed to tow a trailer to races. It could have been someones garage at their residence or a mechanics shop...the place is irrelevant in my opinion. It's the reason the truck was needed that is proof that it was a necessary test drive with a view to obtaining a needed truck. JMO MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Thats the thing, was he there? If there was a vehicle following the truck,lets say it was DM's truck. Maybe at some point after deciding he wanted that truck, DM got out ( having paid TB ), got in his own vehicle and left other(s) to drop TB back home, and bring truck later. Maybe he had an errand to run or was seeing someone. There is a possibility that other(s) were left alone with TB, who may have had a pocket full of cash ( full amount or deposit). There is a time lapse of 3 1/2 hours before the alleged video at hangar.

Definitely a theory but unfortunately, CN didn't throw out the letters or get rid of the DVD device, DM wasn't well educated in cell signal triangulation, neighbours with their own security cameras etc etc. IMHO, that theory is not plausible. MOO

 

[Errrr]

I guess they better hope FC is a witness and not BD :dunno:

Maybe BD had the game pre recorded? OOPS!

 

[Snowglobe]

This is along the lines of what DM's lawyer will say. But criminals usually know where to draw the line from being a mere thief to committing a more serious offence. This is why carjackers who mistakenly steal cars with children inside often abandon the vehicle within blocks. They don't want to go down for hard time. Sometimes, they'll make an anonymous call to police telling them where to find the vehicle.

 

[MsSherlock]

I really dont think it matters what you call the hangar. Coupled with AJ's and Igors testimony it becomes clear that the truck was needed to tow a trailer to races. It could have been someones garage at their residence or a mechanics shop...the place is irrelevant in my opinion. It's the reason the truck was needed that is proof that it was a necessary test drive with a view to obtaining a needed truck. JMO MOO

And how do we know what DM really needed the truck for? Taking cars to races is an assumption. He may have intended to paint it red and switch out the VIN and engine/interior of his current truck and tow his newly built trailer for more nefarious income purposes. Drugs? Guns? With DP saying that DM was CEO of a viable MRO business ( and we know that's not true), there's no reason for us to believe that DP's statement that DM had enough money to buy the truck is true. MOO

 

[Snowglobe]

I think it will. This was not a call to a lawyer's office, that's for sure.

I have a bigger picture scenario in mind, so I hope I don't miss the day it comes up again. Following this case is a full-time job!

 

[Gumshew]

For what it's worth, one's position in a Mexican gang, narcotics related, can be noted by clothing worn. Young and rising narcotic junior operators dress like businessmen, older lieutenants are snappier dressers, and hitmen dress like someone from a poor neighbourhood.

 

[Tamarind]

Maybe BD had the game pre recorded? OOPS!

It's possible, I guess only his testimony will clarify that .

 

[Tamarind]

For what it's worth, one's position in a Mexican gang, narcotics related, can be noted by clothing worn. Young and rising narcotic junior operators dress like businessmen, older lieutenants are snappier dressers, and hitmen dress like someone from a poor neighbourhood.

Thats the same the world over IMHO. Usually people with more money have the means to dress in finer clothes than those who don't, regardless of what their job is.

 

[MsSherlock]

It's funny if you think DM probably decided to talk on the cell while standing right in front of TBs house in order to establish a strong link between the fictional Lucas Bate and the car jacking. Obviously cognizant of the cell tracking capabilities of authorities since they turned their own off. That is also why I don't think those guys realized TBs phone was in the truck until they reached Oakpark turn-off. Could they be stupid enough to keep a tracking device in there if they had known about it?

IMO, there wouldn't have been 2 of them in TB's truck at that time. Someone had to be driving the Yukon. Yes, perhaps the driver had the radio blaring and didn't realize that TB had his phone- may not have heard it ringing. MOO

 

[Tamarind]

Definitely a theory but unfortunately, CN didn't throw out the letters or get rid of the DVD device, DM wasn't well educated in cell signal triangulation, neighbours with their own security cameras etc etc. IMHO, that theory is not plausible. MOO

That remains to be seen IMO. We haven't had the opportunity to see/hear the full trial yet.