Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #1

[Errrr]

I wonder what kind of "smiles" DM will be giving out that day? I'm still stumped by why he would get CN involved when Smitch had not been arrested yet..why was Smitch not helping do all this with DM? Had he bailed? Was he tipped off somehow that the police were on to him and was in hiding?

For that matter, if she wasn't already involved why have her participate at all? Can't he drive and back up a trailer without his girlfriend holding his hand or how was she a help?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Just to clarify, IIRC MS had not been arrested at that time so there wouldn't have been a "no contact order" between MS & MM. That would only have come into play after MS was arrested. I don't believe we've got any info in the Crowns statement to let us know exactly when they spoke with MM. MOO

Not sure what you mean by this, but again just to clarify, I didn't mean that she was doing those things at the same moment in time. Regardless, MS certainly had been arrested by the time they were breaching the no contact order, and when she was contacting MWJ, and when she was talking to LE. Although we don't know the dates she talked to LE, I think we can safely assume it was after his arrest.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5262706-co-accused-in-bosma-murder-case-faces-new-charge/

https://www.instagram.com/p/fSo2uXI252/

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/suspects-tattoo-discovery-of-tom-bosmas-cellphone-key-moments-in-murder-probe

Re: location of TB's phone - photo in linked article shows where phone was found on lawn @ Kemira - which appears to be inside the chain link fenced area, rather than on the driveway/roadway side of the fence. I believe it must have been tossed over the fence, rather than just fallen out of a hand/pocket/the truck, as has been speculated. MOO

That's what I thought too. There was a photo posted of the location that was more close up, which I can no longer find. In the close up one, it more clearly showed that the evidence marker was inside the fence.

 

[MsSherlock]

Wonder who the Crown has scheduled to testify tomorrow? There may be a stampede of journalist down Main St in Hamilton the day they find out that CN, MM & SS are hitting the stand. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Well, whoever they were probably started to scramble and make a lot of mistakes once they heard DP say that we would soon hear about the framing aspect. lol Do you think they looked at each other and thought that one of them or all of them were about to get thrown under the bus in an effort to make it look like DM had been framed? DM had them all involved. MOO

"He also threw out the bizarre quote that “I can’t get into the framing aspect” and that, once other suspects are in custody, “I think you’ll have a fuller picture of what’s going on.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

If there was a framing aspect (not saying there was), it would make more sense that multiple people were framing one person, than that one person was framing multiple people. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think DM's claim that he was framed is just an example of his lack of loyalty to Ms and others. He expected everyone to cover for him, but is willing to throw any one of them under the bus to save his own skin.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thank you, Swedie. I have no doubt that the coroner talked to DM directly, by phone, as that is what MEs do. They would have spoken about the initial circumstances surrounding the death of WM. I don't know that they would have talked to him when the final report was complete.

By the time of WM's memorial, DM could have told anyone anything. There would have been nothing in writing to prove him wrong. However, insurance companies often require a detailed ME's report, which is only released once all ME reports are finalized, sometimes months later. In some places, the policy is for the ME to speak directly to the next-of-kin by phone before the final report is made, as there have been some cases in the media where families were shocked to learn months later from the written report (mailed out, for a fee, on order forms sent to the kin at time of death) that their loved one had not suffered an accidental death, but was murdered.
I'd be curious to know if the coroner's report had been completed by the time TB was murdered, and if any insurance claims WRT WM had been paid out. Wait and see if this comes up in court as to motive, I guess.

Here's me thinking that the obituary was written to allay any suspicions on the part of insurers as to DM being anything but a straight-up, loving son.

Any recent policy would have been contestable, and any policy at all would not have paid out to a beneficiary who murdered the insured, IMO.

Although most reports say the case was still open, there is this from the Coroner's office:

Originally viewed as a suicide and, although his body was cremated, Wayne’s death is still “an ongoing investigation,” said Dorothy Zwolakowski, a strategic advisor for the Ontario Coroner’s Office.

She could not say whether the case was reopened because of recent events or had never been closed.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/dellen-millard-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-death-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says

 

[Gumshew]

Thats the same the world over IMHO. Usually people with more money have the means to dress in finer clothes than those who don't, regardless of what their job is.

MWJ has the number 14 tattooed on his face(and have you seen all his other very interesting tattoos?). No one would dare sport a facial tattoo of the number 14, which translates to the letter N, and is a symbol of the Northern California Mexican gang, if they were not a member.

MWJ is not a wannabe gang member, he is a gang member.

Gang members associate with gang members.

 

[SnooperDuper]

MWJ has the number 14 tattooed on his face(and have you seen all his other very interesting tattoos?). No one would dare sport a facial tattoo of the number 14, which translates to the letter N, and is a symbol of the Northern California Mexican gang, if they were not a member.

MWJ is not a wannabe gang member, he is a gang member.

Gang members associate with gang members.

Or he could be a huge Dave Keon fan

 

[SnooperDuper]

ABro is trying out a new Ask Me Anything feature on her blog:

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/tim-bosma-murder-trial-week-two.html

Basically ask anything you are wondering and as long as the information is not covered by publication ban, ABro will answer you.

If you have any burning questions that don't seem to be answered on WS, ask away at Ann.

 

[Gumshew]

Or he could be a huge Dave Keon fan

LOL. No, he has 1997 tattooed on the top of his head. SIG. He's a real member.

 

[SnooperDuper]

LOL. No, he has 1997 tattooed on the top of his head. SIG. He's a real member.

What is the significance of 1997?

 

[Sphinx]

For that matter, if she wasn't already involved why have her participate at all? Can't he drive and back up a trailer without his girlfriend holding his hand or how was she a help?

Maybe she was compromised already by helping with the murder and/or body disposal of Laura B.

 

[Sphinx]

I think DM's claim that he was framed is just an example of his lack of loyalty to Ms and others. He expected everyone to cover for him, but is willing to throw any one of them under the bus to save his own skin.

In my opinion -- classical psychopathic ( sociopathic ) behaviour, which involves using people and not caring about them emotionally in any way.

 

[Tamarind]

MWJ has the number 14 tattooed on his face(and have you seen all his other very interesting tattoos?). No one would dare sport a facial tattoo of the number 14, which translates to the letter N, and is a symbol of the Northern California Mexican gang, if they were not a member.

MWJ is not a wannabe gang member, he is a gang member.

Gang members associate with gang members.

They also use people if it furthers their cause IMHO.

 

[Tamarind]

In my opinion -- classical psychopathic ( sociopathic ) behaviour, which involves using people and not caring about them emotionally in any way.

Yes I believe DM was being used in such a way.

 

[SnooperDuper]

In my opinion -- classical psychopathic ( sociopathic ) behaviour, which involves using people and not caring about them emotionally in any way.

Sort of shocked to hear how DM ran things in the hangar, showing him to be a leader and good at delegating...but then again, maybe it's not exactly delegating but simply being used to having people cater to you for every moment of your life. He's a very dominant, extroverted personality.

 

[Errrr]

DM expected all of his cronies to keep their mouths shut and back them up. He shook his head when he learned that Ms had told his girlfriend that TB was "gone, gone, gone". He asked, begged, demanded that another friend change his testimony to keep DM out of jail, he fired AJ for contacting CrimeStoppers, he's about to throw MS under the bus. Is this a loyal guy?

I'm suspecting there's going to be a lot of throwing under the bus going on before this is done. They should think of renting that extra large bus the Conservative party were using.

 

[Gumshew]

What is the significance of 1997?

La Banda Los Nortenos, is a 1997 song = means The Los Nortenos Family = same gang "family".

Gang tattooes, letters and numbers are always cryptic.

For instance, an "Ambition" tattoo usually means "criminal ambition"(Igor is correct) if you are a gang member. It just means "ambition" or whatever, if you are a regular joe with that tattoo.

Can you guess what "PACIFIC" might mean?

 

[Gumshew]

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They also use people if it furthers their cause IMHO.

Maybe. Although the "people" you are alluding to has an "ambition" tattoo on their wrist.