Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #13

[Inspector_North]

Her notes - unless I'm missing something they don't relate to her participation
Phone messages - circumstantial at best. There were people her convinced "paper shredder" was code for "Incinerator".
DVR - Prove she didn't think it was a stereo. There was even a reference in the letters to a "stereo"

So far there has been nothing solid enough to put someone away for 10 years. Maybe they have more, maybe not.

Depends on what side of the perceived truth her explanations fall. The judge may not see the circumstantial evidence in the same drug fogged perspective as CN. I know I don't.

Not sure if your interpreted level of proof is required for a guilty verdict. Like many have pointed out, she was not on trial in this case, and any evidence related directly to her involvement may have been either omitted, or reacted. We will just have to wait.

MOO

 

[raining]

Justin Bieber can solve the rubik's cube. Enough said.

 

[Abitcountry]

i was thinking the same thing. I recall an early press conference where a reporter asked police why the first person who went on the test drive escaped unharmed. The spokesman said something like "if you meet this guy, it's apparent that he could have easily taken on both [DM and MS] single-handedly"

I was discussing this with my brother and sister in law, saying how he had the Israeli Army background etc. The remark back was "isn't that pretty much everyone in Israel?" (As I think Don Quixote implied a few days ago on a WS thread). So he must be an especially imposing Israeli Army vet!

I take that he's big! And I figure he's pretty smart too: He has resisted the trap of his "15 minutes of fame". As a good citizen, he came forward and did his part and then quietly went back to his life. Sounds very Canadian to me !!! Kudos Igor!!!

 

[CJPRINCESS]

AM has a nice new tat going on.... The words say.. "I remember". Hmm

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

Thats quite the big tat for someone with no job! A sleeve tat like like is quite expensive. Heck, I got a small head portrait of my horse on my shoulder, that cost me $350 (I even got a deal). A full sleeve usually runs $1,000 and up.

 

[Abitcountry]

Thats quite the big tat for someone with no job! A sleeve tat like like is quite expensive. Heck, I got a small head portrait of my horse on my shoulder, that cost me $350 (I even got a deal). A full sleeve usually runs $1,000 and up.

Is there a link to view this tat ??

 

[andreww]

Depends on what side of the perceived truth her explanations fall. The judge may not see the circumstantial evidence in the same drug fogged perspective as CN. I know I don't.

Not sure if your interpreted level of proof is required for a guilty verdict. Like many have pointed out, she was not on trial in this case, and any evidence related directly to her involvement may have been either omitted, or reacted. We will just have to wait.

MOO

Lets just say for arguments sake, she actually had no clue that a crime had taken place. How different would the evidence be? When you consider evidence against Smich for instance, you always come back to the sausage fry and fireside furniture pics plus the duct tape & change of clothes. He is assumed innocent, there is circumstantial evidence (a lot of it), but those few thing just cannot be logically explained. With CN the same circumstantial evidence is there, but as of yet there hasn't been that "aha" piece of evidence that tells you she knew exactly what she was doing. Hopefully it will come, not sure from where though.

 

[canadiangirl]

Is there a link to view this tat ??

It's on his Facebook

 

[mimimic]

His Facebook is open.

 

[ILoveDateline]

Thats quite the big tat for someone with no job! A sleeve tat like like is quite expensive. Heck, I got a small head portrait of my horse on my shoulder, that cost me $350 (I even got a deal). A full sleeve usually runs $1,000 and up.

It was always my guess that AM took over the drug business. Someone has to get MM and BD their pot. JMO.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Yes I saw it. It's the words that stood out to me. Not the design.

To me it just looks like a memorial tat. A girl with a halo and angel wings with some flowers down the arm. Not sure I'd read too much into the "I remember". This is coming from someone that doesn't care much for AM.

 

[Inspector_North]

Lets just say for arguments sake, she actually had no clue that a crime had taken place. How different would the evidence be? When you consider evidence against Smich for instance, you always come back to the sausage fry and fireside furniture pics plus the duct tape & change of clothes. He is assumed innocent, there is circumstantial evidence (a lot of it), but those few thing just cannot be logically explained. With CN the same circumstantial evidence is there, but as of yet there hasn't been that "aha" piece of evidence that tells you she knew exactly what she was doing. Hopefully it will come, not sure from where though.

You are basing this CN exercise on the evidence we heard, and the context it was presented. For now I am not ready to make any arguments other than to say I will wait for her trial and the opening statement before speculating. This current one is far from over for both accused, and any CN trial speculation is very premature at this point. For me anyways. My gut feeling is she is guilty of something, but it may not be what she was charged for.

As for MS, he was there! And the evidence I am referring to is the difference between first and second for premeditated. And depending how the judge instructs the jury, it could be irrelevant.

MOO

 

[mimimic]

I am definitely going to look over his testimony again.

 

[mimimic]

Since she is a night owl, she hasn't woken up yet to see the latest snide comment (from people who appreciate humanity), yet. I guess it will be gone by noon.

and one less follower.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

Rubikinks knew what Missions meant. AM used the username Stealthmissions for Steam and his facebook. BTW, I noticed that CN is really a gamer since she updated her Steam profile pic to her Halloween costume AFTER her boyfriend was in jail. She last was on Steam just after she was released from jail. Oct 5 2014. I wonder if she could message someone though there.


http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198082846715/

They can certainly speak to one another if they're true geeks.. Headphones and microphones while they play.. It's a great tool for pedophiles to get to know kids too.. Ain't technology grand??!!

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I was thinking about practising radio silence today in memory of TB. But, the commentary here, from you folk, is just too good.

Has anyone thought to interpret the nicknames DM assigned in his letters. Some are very clear, Coyote, etc.

Kodiak is obvious, as he also refers to AM as a bear. Clearly he was known for his size (no offence here, he is burly). IMO.

Itchy I think means itchy trigger finger for MS. Though someone else mentioned itchy due to drugs. I though that was just for injected drugs (? Really I have no clue) but we have only heard he smoked pot and maybe took oxy.

What is the name he had for MH? Snogg of snoff? What do you think that means?

Just curious. All MOO .

bbm

Urban dictionary
snogg
noun.*half*snail, half dog

Snogg is also "a kiss"

 

[Miranda16]

Sure, but I find it strange how you wave away the evidence we've already seen as if it's meaningless. Her notes, the glove with dna, the phone messages, the DVR make a strong circumstantial case right there. Yes, she can say she knew nothing, but it will be up to the judge to decide if that makes sense even in the context of what we know already. Is her denial enough to raise reasonable doubt?

I personally haven't waved it away, but I agree with the posters who say that based solely on the evidence presented at DM's trial, there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt (in our opinions). E.g. She has an alternative explanation for everything (she put on gloves already worn by DM explaining the presence of DNA from DM, CN, TB on at least one glove), etc.

I really hope that she is convicted, but I fear that the crown has not shown enough at this point (and hope they have saved more for her trial - surely they have)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3h3 hours ago
Thanking of Sharlene, Hank, Mary and all the #Bosma Army today, the third anniversary of Tim's murder.

 

[Jug Up]

Could be. Does anyone know if lawyers are able to go into a client's cell, unsupervised?

Fair question. On a "normal" range at HWDC, where inmates are out in the common area, the answer is absolutely not. When a lawyer visits, the guard comes to get the prisoner and takes him/her to a room.

Not sure about seg, or PC. Maybe lawyers get access to a cell, as the inmate is locked up pretty well all day. That said, not sure why a lawyer or guard would risk his/her career, even if he was allowed to take a cell in. I guess that is a way MB could call from a payphone. I highly doubt it, since CN doesn't even remember which payphone it was, but I guess anything is possible.

My guess, and MOO only? CN is telling half the truth, and DM called MB at a "certain time", as that was when he was going to be allowed to use the payphone.

Thoughts with the Bosma family today. What a horrible day this must be for them.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She has never said she was the lookout. She referred to the drugs as the two of them getting drugs for them. But it was an ambiguous term that she did not know to mean "crime".

... and she didn't know there were missions before midnight like "go shopping" and there were missions after midnight (which she did regularly with her lover) like "pick something up" which wasn't always owned by her millionair but by other people (maple trees owned by nursing home, riding lawnmowers owned by some company, bobcat owned by construction company, truck owned by TB). "Tiny missions" were going to move a huge device from A to B (for certainty to not get caught on something), to switch vehicle in an odd proceed, to drive one of 10 trailers to some place, and so on. NOT "tiny missions" were other ones - I would like to know what other ones in 3 years of being "his girl". She probably was his companion on these missions and was responsible for his special pleasure during the possible desolate and long ride (not listening to anything, not seeing anything, not mention anything except memorable sex). IMO and I believe it all

 

[ABro]

I personally haven't waved it away, but I agree with the posters who say that based solely on the evidence presented at DM's trial, there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt (in our opinions). E.g. She has an alternative explanation for everything (she put on gloves already worn by DM explaining the presence of DNA from DM, CN, TB on at least one glove), etc.

I really hope that she is convicted, but I fear that the crown has not shown enough at this point (and hope they have saved more for her trial - surely they have)

First of all, it's not a question of "saving" evidence for her trial. Her testimony at the Bosma trial was just that. It wasn't a dry run for her own trial.

Second of all, judges know and instruct juries to look at the evidence as a whole. So in a circumstantial case, while it may be reasonable to explain away one piece of circumstantial evidence, it's becomes far less reasonable to explain away three and downright unreasonable to explain away 10.

Finally, I don't really understand this little game that is played on so many crime discussion sites where people seem to like to entertain/torture themselves with fears about whether the prosecution has enough evidence. Why not just wait for the trial and see what they've got after months of investigation? What's the point of wringing your hands now, especially when there's nothing to suggest that charges are being laid gratuitously?