Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #5

[MsSherlock]

One reason the clean up was so rushed they probably assumed the police wouldn't get involved until at least 24 hrs later. I don't think they figure things would happen so quickly. In turn there was rushed and sloppy clean up. Panic set in and they just started moving things wherever. Also if the police didn't start right away, media reaction and how fast the community was notified there is a good chance that truck would've been painted. Instead I think all of Ontario was on the look out for a black ram.


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I tend to go with your line of thinking here. I know it's much easier for us to think that certainly this was simply a couple of guys who wanted to steal a truck and met resistance. Interestingly enough, evidence this week indicates that DM was on the lookout for a dodge ram since Nov/12, prior to WM's death. The question I have is "why", with all the dodge ram trucks out there, didn't they steal one then. They had the gun. They had the man power. Or was it simply out of line with DM's planning. In November, he was restricted by the activity at the hangar. WM had a whole crew there readying the hangar for business. So he bops his pops and clears away any obstructions.

Now the question is, why didn't he steal a truck in Jan, Feb, March, or April? Why did he wait until May? With access to his Dad's money, why didn't he buy a truck over those months? I'm going out on a limb here and supporting the original theory that it was a thrill kill and the truck was simply the cherry on the whipped cream. He needed to make sure that there were no pending concerns about his involvement with LB. Then after WM, he needed to make sure that he was in the clear. By all accounts, they were in the clear. If they wanted to steal a truck, they would have stolen one, but that was never the plan. IMO, DM & MS set out that night to kill someone and burn them in DM's incinerator just because they wanted to and they could. IMHO, TB's death was no accident. It was premeditated murder. MOO

 

[Abitcountry]

I tend to go with your line of thinking here. I know it's much easier for us to think that certainly this was simply a couple of guys who wanted to steal a truck and met resistance. Interestingly enough, evidence this week indicates that DM was on the lookout for a dodge ram since Nov/12, prior to WM's death. The question I have is "why", with all the dodge ram trucks out there, didn't they steal one then. They had the gun. They had the man power. Or was it simply out of line with DM's planning. In November, he was restricted by the activity at the hangar. WM had a whole crew there readying the hangar for business. So he bops his pops and clears away any obstructions.

Now the question is, why didn't he steal a truck in Jan, Feb, March, or April? Why did he wait until May? With access to his Dad's money, why didn't he buy a truck over those months? I'm going out on a limb here and supporting the original theory that it was a thrill kill and the truck was simply the cherry on the whipped cream. He needed to make sure that there were no pending concerns about his involvement with LB. Then after WM, he needed to make sure that he was in the clear. By all accounts, they were in the clear. If they wanted to steal a truck, they would have stolen one, but that was never the plan. IMO, DM & MS set out that night to kill someone and burn them in DM's incinerator just because they wanted to and they could. IMHO, TB's death was no accident. It was premeditated murder. MOO

Thrill kill....set out to kill and incinerate because they wanted to and they could....
Awful as it is it does have a ring of truth about it---and interestingly enough it would account somewhat for DM's weird demeanour at times in the courtroom.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I don't think it's the same skull logo. The Stunners one has 3 pistons on each side of the skull-- no crown, no bones. Pistons like the "Outlaw" biker gang has on the side of their skull logo( they have 2). Pistons just mean "motor bikes", so I'm not saying it is exclusively gang related.

Sorry, but those don't look at all like pistons to me, Outlaw or otherwise. The two bones on either side are the same shape as the ones in the crowned skull. The top pistons that you're seeing are the points holding the "gems" on the top of the crown. The triangle in the middle of the head over the eyes is the same. The two round parts above the triangle are the same, and those are the top of the skull showing behind the crown points. Just the "gems" on the points of the crown are a little different on the sketch done on the pad. Sorry, I don't know how to insert the images side by side in a size for good comparison.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90160

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/165628524-skull-and-crossbone-crown-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=T92iIKFGA8%2FMcqqOa0PVIMJ6BXwwut7Wo%2FetqWxyKOApwj1mQExUEqQZZ%2FVClgUe

The skull in the crown is available as a Drift King decal. The Drift King is Keiichi Tsuchiya. Which takes us right back into the world of fast cars.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

This was from a couple of years ago, I thought that MS had a drug charge. Was it SL who said that DM was selling drugs to LB? Or, was that just speculation on our part.

bbm

He's had a couple at least.

Court records show that Smich has several criminal convictions, including possession for the purpose of trafficking in 2006 and impaired driving in 2010. He was also scheduled to appear in court on a charge of mischief next month.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-named-in-tim-bosma-slaying-1.1329948

He was convicted of drug possession in 2005 and 2006, for failing to comply twice in 2006 and impaired driving in 2009.

http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

Smich, who has five previous convictions including drug possession and impaired driving, appeared in court Thursday to face a first-degree murder charge.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/tim-bosma-case-what-we-know-about-accused-mark-smich

 

[Gumshew]

Sorry, but those don't look at all like pistons to me, Outlaw or otherwise. The two bones on either side are the same shape as the ones in the crowned skull. The top pistons that you're seeing are the points holding the "gems" on the top of the crown. The triangle in the middle of the head over the eyes is the same. The two round parts above the triangle are the same, and those are the top of the skull showing behind the crown points. Just the "gems" on the points of the crown are a little different on the sketch done on the pad. Sorry, I don't know how to insert the images side by side in a size for good comparison.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90160

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/16...VIMJ6BXwwut7Wo/etqWxyKOApwj1mQExUEqQZZ/VClgUe

The skull in the crown is available as a Drift King decal. The Drift King is Keiichi Tsuchiya. Which takes us right back into the world of fast cars.

JMO

Yes, okay, got the clear image now! Thanks! Was looking at a completely fuzzy one. Yes, it's a crown and 2 bones sticking out from each side. You are completely right, Drift King decal. Yes, race cars.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[MsSherlock]

bbm

He's had a couple at least.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-named-in-tim-bosma-slaying-1.1329948



http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/



http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/tim-bosma-case-what-we-know-about-accused-mark-smich

MS's criminal past didn't seem to concern DM. DM had even backed up MS's iPad onto his own personal computer. IMO, the two of them were close buddies- bro's and how they matched up is anyones guess at this point. I would assume that once they murdered LB, the only thing they were truly addicted to was the rush of the kill and the glow of the Eliminator. Pretty powerful head rush stuff if that's what you're in to - certainly worthy of a celebratory line or two of coke or a nice big fat joint. Just to think that there's nothing left aside for a little pile of unidentifiable ashes? They had all the necessary tools to get away with killing anytime they wanted to- just that this time DM got identified. MOO

On another note, seeing that they were hunting for a truck for 6 months or so, I wonder how much time DM spent researching incinerators and body disposal before he bought the Eliminator? We won't hear any of the LB evidence during this trial, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have proof of web searches months before LB died. DM & MS may have been starting to develop a rhythm- plan-kill-cool off- repeat. 5 months in between LB & WM- 5 months WM-TB- coincidence? MOO

 

[Stratocaster]

BBM

To be honest, I originally thought the same thing - a robbery gone bad, but the more I hear and the more I think about it, I've changed my mind on it.

If ALL they really wanted to do was steal a truck, they could have trawled Auto Trader, Kijiji, Craigslist or whatever until they found some trucks that suited them. They could have just gone and stole it. They didn't need to kill anyone.

The fact that they hid the Yukon, walked up to Tim's house, and then killed him so quickly, tells me that murder was always part of the plan.

The further fact that they really were so full of themselves and thought they could get away with it blows my mind. I mean, seriously....you walk up to someone's house; meet the guy you are going to kill and then steal his truck. See his wife - his wife sees you. Another person is there and sees you. You are seen driving away with the man you are going to kill and you think nothing of it. You have to know that it won't be long before the wife calls the police and tells them all about it and that her husband is missing.

Honest to God, what did they think was going to happen? How could they possibly think that they were going to get away with it?

I would laugh myself silly, if this wasn't so incredibly evil and tragic.

MOO - MURDER WAS ALWAYS IN THE PICTURE. DM didn't buy the Eliminator to dispose of furniture. He had a plan.

Exactly my thoughts on this heart-wrenching incredibly sad story, there was always a plan for murder. Rest in peace Mr Bosma, rest in peace.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

On another note, seeing that they were hunting for a truck for 6 months or so, I wonder how much time DM spent researching incinerators and body disposal before he bought the Eliminator? We won't hear any of the LB evidence during this trial, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have proof of web searches months before LB died. DMOO

Possibly not. Often web history and cache on a computer is defaulted to not go back more than 6 months, unless you change settings to do so manually. Also ISPs don't usually keep logs longer than 6 months to a year at tops.

 

[deugirtni]

Is it not uncanny to you how fast things began to happen when TB did not come home...SB was right on it...friends etc were right on it....police were right on it....Kijiji ad...ambition tatoo...cell phone found on the grass and not run over !!!...the dairy farmer sees smoke...dirt bike guide tours police around...even DM was carded <modsnip>...and on and on and on.

Do you remember the children's story of Hanzel and Gretel....and the trail of breadcrumbs to lead them through the woods and safely home ? Honestly it comes to mind so often...One clue after another....I would stop that silly grinning and carrying on in the courtroom if I were DM.

I am thinking that is why DM, in his soooooooo immature demeanour, smirks and stares down SB. Kind of the same way he smirks and does his head-shaking at MS whenever something obviously strikes his ire about something that MS did. SB was really the instigator to get the whole ball rolling. What other wife, seriously, would call police so quickly? I know I wouldn't have. Kudos to her for knowing her husband THAT well, that she *knew* something serious had happened, rather than that he stopped off at a buddy's house, or got otherwise sidetracked with something. And kudos to the police for taking her seriously, and not giving her what I believe would be the usual, 'well we have to wait 24 hours for a missing adult before we file a report...'. This whole story is really incredible, every aspect of it.. which makes it soooo interesting!

He (DM) seems to be sooooooo childlike, wearing his thoughts on his sleeve, in public, for all to see. He was probably sitting there thinking, wow, if it hadn't been for YOU, we would have had an extra 24 hours and there would have been no evidence. MOO

 

[deugirtni]

I can't seem to find a word about the judge's ruling, which was anticipated on March 4th, in regard to whether DM's preliminary hearing in the murder of his father will go to trial or not. Was the decision postponed? Has anyone found anything on it? TY!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

One reason the clean up was so rushed they probably assumed the police wouldn't get involved until at least 24 hrs later. I don't think they figure things would happen so quickly. In turn there was rushed and sloppy clean up. Panic set in and they just started moving things wherever. Also if the police didn't start right away, media reaction and how fast the community was notified there is a good chance that truck would've been painted. Instead I think all of Ontario was on the look out for a black ram.
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bbm

If you think about, what they (2-3) had managed in very short time: steal the truck, murder the owner, got the incinerator from farmland to hangar, burn their victim, remove the front seats, stripp the truck of all what you may think of incl. emblems, power wash the truck, clean the dirt: bloody remaining from power wash, burn the front seats and other objects on farmland, juggle the truck into the trailer, drive the trailer to Ma MB, drive the incinerator to farmland, take the gun to a friend, move the incinerator from barn to open farmland, I don't know what else - and then DM on the 10. is in his office when "suits" show up and it looks as normal as every day. MS certainly is just scateboarding a little bit, with or without girlfriend. Wow!! They were busy, one can't say otherwise. To move large heavy equipment from A to B to C and/or back - my goodness! No wonder and right so, that they made mistakes and police were very fast in discovering thanks to the Bosma Army and several coincidences.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

There is also a huge painting/portrait of Carl at the MapleGate house. Up against the wall, not hung up.

I thought, it could be Wayne. Too grey haired to be Wayne but too potbellied to be Carl. I don't know but it's nice and it's colour is matching with the wall colour.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

LB was homeless and penniless. She wasn't buying cocaine.

But we'll see, there has been no evidence of any drugs found anywhere, especially amounts that would imply dealing.

When LB left her little fluffy dog in her parents' home she also left a box with around $4000 - so she hadn't been always pennyless.

 

[MsSherlock]

When LB left her little fluffy dog in her parents' home she also left a box with around $4000 - so she hadn't been always pennyless.

Thanks FG- I've never heard of the $ value of the money LB left behind. Almost sounds like DM gave it to her as a token of his genuine love and desire to take care of her, followed by a suggestion that she leave it in a safe place until they got back from wherever he was whisking her off to. IMO, a significant amount like that would cast doubts on SL's claims that she was broke and stall investigations. It may have also been a way for DM to clear his conscience knowing that LB's parents, who would never see their daughter again, would at least have a little bit of money. MOO

 

[deugirtni]

When LB left her little fluffy dog in her parents' home she also left a box with around $4000 - so she hadn't been always pennyless.

I have read an article that says the man who was charged with assaulting her and with theft, owed her $4000 for vet bills for the dog that LB gave him.. but I too have never heard an amount given for the amount of cash that had been found in the shoebox left at her parents' home along with her dog.. do you have a link or remember where you read that?

 

[JuneBug67]

And when I think through the risk element, I'm reminded that DM likely figured he'd already gotten away with two murders.

MS had the sense to be nervous. DM seems to have some faulty internal wiring (to say the least), and I don't think he processes risk like a normal person.

I totally agree that there is something off about DMs internal wiring. I've posted before about how MS is the person who seems more normally connected to the gravity of the situation he finds himself in, while thrill seeking DM seems to revel in the big lie (might as well accuse me of going to the moon!) and exaggerated courtroom thespian routines. Sociopaths don't process fear in the same way and they often seek stimulation through risk and can't resist leaving little trophy fingerprints they think only they can see . Like Millard's use of the fake but not too fake 'Evan'. Like calling WM, who he is accused of murdering with a gunshot to the eye, a "man of vision" at the end of his obit - followed by the striking title case on "Yet to Be Realized". Like the Steam avatar.

So yes, thrill seeking and risk seem to drive this guy, but there is still a basic self-preservation with people like him. They don't want to get caught and take effective steps to avoid it. DM was plucked out of the mass of humanity that makes up the Golden Horseshoe in four days by police. Four days. Almost a quarter of the population of this entire country lives in a tiny band around the west end of Lake Ontario, and they found him. They found him because he was utterly unprepared to get away with murder.

 

[LibTech]

Possibly not. Often web history and cache on a computer is defaulted to not go back more than 6 months, unless you change settings to do so manually. Also ISPs don't usually keep logs longer than 6 months to a year at tops.

The data saved to a cache on a PC is dependent on the amount of space assigned for storage and the settings of the browser being used. History can be saved anywhere from never to the end of time. If a PC is not used, then the cache and history will remain. If the PC is turned on and the user accesses a website previously accessed on that PC, the cache will be written over with a new time and date stamp. That's the reason the data on the devices seized was backed up the way it was so as not to disturb the date and time stamps on the files. It is quite possible that the older PCs seized will have cache and browsing history pertaining to the LB case.

 

[JuneBug67]

Ugh! Lost a big long post during submission. Don't have the will to reassemble it. Upshot was that I think the cell phone evidence argues for pre-planning theft and against expecting to commit a murder. Ditto the last minute "airport politics" text. Ditto not having a better plan that having the hottest truck in the country in weirdo condition in your airplane hangar for four days. Regardless, it's still heinous, vile murder of the most grave kind. From all appearances so far these two deserve the harshest tool we've got - first degree and 25 years.

 

[SideKick]

While googling I came across this from the Ontario court system on Dellen Millard.
It doesn't appear 'serious', and the date 2014 is strange.

CITATION: Millard, Villada, Ferguson v. Di Carlo, 2014 ONSC 1218
DIVISIONAL COURT FILE NO.: 373/13
DATE: 20140225

Full document here.
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onscdc/doc/2014/2014onsc1218/2014onsc1218.html?resultIndex=18

A list of Millards cited on the search page, which I cannot copy.

 

[Abitcountry]

Ugh! Lost a big long post during submission. Don't have the will to reassemble it. Upshot was that I think the cell phone evidence argues for pre-planning theft and against expecting to commit a murder. Ditto the last minute "airport politics" text. Ditto not having a better plan that having the hottest truck in the country in weirdo condition in your airplane hanger for four days. Regardless, it's still heinous, vile murder of the most grave kind. From all appearances so far these two deserve the harshest tool we've got - first degree and 25 years.

Have done the same...sometimes hitting the auto save will restore.