Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #5

[matou]

While googling I came across this from the Ontario court system on Dellen Millard.
It doesn't appear 'serious', and the date 2014 is strange.

CITATION: Millard, Villada, Ferguson v. Di Carlo, 2014 ONSC 1218
DIVISIONAL COURT FILE NO.: 373/13
DATE: 20140225

Full document here.
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onscdc/doc/2014/2014onsc1218/2014onsc1218.html?resultIndex=18

A list of Millards cited on the search page, which I cannot copy.

Yes it's weird because DM and friend are the applicants. Weird also because he was in jail when this filing happened.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I totally agree that there is something off about DMs internal wiring. I've posted before about how MS is the person who seems more normally connected to the gravity of the situation he finds himself in, while thrill seeking DM seems to revel in the big lie (might as well accuse me of going to the moon!) and exaggerated courtroom thespian routines. Sociopaths don't process fear in the same way and they often seek stimulation through risk and can't resist leaving little trophy fingerprints they think only they can see . Like Millard's use of the fake but not too fake 'Evan'. Like calling WM, who he is accused of murdering with a gunshot to the eye, a "man of vision" at the end of his obit - followed by the striking title case on "Yet to Be Realized". Like the Steam avatar.

So yes, thrill seeking and risk seem to drive this guy, but there is still a basic self-preservation with people like him. They don't want to get caught and take effective steps to avoid it. DM was plucked out of the mass of humanity that makes up the Golden Horseshoe in four days by police. Four days. Almost a quarter of the population of this entire country lives in a tiny band around the west end of Lake Ontario, and they found him. They found him because he was utterly unprepared to get away with murder.

Who knows, maybe the defense for DM may pull an NCR excuse out of the hat, and line up an bunch of shrinks to testify that DM's altimeter doesn't go all the way to the clouds. Maybe DM's behaviour in court is part of the act to convince the jury his engine isn't firing on all cylinders!

 

[Variant]

Yes it's weird because DM and friend are the applicants. Weird also because he was in jail when this filing happened.

This was an appeal by Millard as landlord to have a claim against him by a tenant dismissed. Ferguson is a lawyer who represents landlords against tenants. It appears that Millard and team lost.

 

[matou]

This was an application by Millard as landlord to have a claim against him by a tenant dismissed. Ferguson is a lawyer who represents lawyers against tenants. It appears that Millard and team lost.

It makes me wonder why he needed to do this at this point? He wanted a clear record for court?

 

[Variant]

It makes me wonder why he needed to do this at this point? He wanted a clear record for court?

Maybe he just hates to lose. I expect that he will try to appeal the cases he now faces.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have read an article that says the man who was charged with assaulting her and with theft, owed her $4000 for vet bills for the dog that LB gave him.. but I too have never heard an amount given for the amount of cash that had been found in the shoebox left at her parents' home along with her dog.. do you have a link or remember where you read that?

On June 30, unbeknownst to her friends, Babcock’s parents came home to find Lacey and a shoebox full of cash, but not their daughter. In hindsight, friends say Babcock’s abandonment of Lacey was ominous. They worried about suicide.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

You maybe right, deugirtni! I could swear there were $4000 in the box but I try to find more ....

 

[Sillybilly]

It makes me wonder why he needed to do this at this point? He wanted a clear record for court?

I'm wondering if this is the case we heard about where a tenant found DM et al fiddling with her vehicle around the time she had a landlord/tenant dispute with him. This Small Claims Court case in which DM and others were involved contained allegations of theft. IF that theft allegation related to a vehicle, I can see DM wanting the court ruling negated so as not to be an issue in TB's case where theft of a vehicle is involved.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Apropos drugs:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

The three partied hard that night, A. said, snorting coke, doing ecstasy, smoking weed and drinking.

LB's behavior in the last months. Maybe it was the behavior of a large circle including DM/MS, maybe only her special behavior and not the same re friends.

 

[Kamille]

On June 30, unbeknownst to her friends, Babcock’s parents came home to find Lacey and a shoebox full of cash, but not their daughter. In hindsight, friends say Babcock’s abandonment of Lacey was ominous. They worried about suicide.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

You maybe right, deugirtni! I could swear there were $4000 in the box but I try to find more ....

The amount that was in that shoebox has never been stated anywhere. You must have confused it with the vet bill amount.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

A little off topic If WS and Forensic files have taught me anything, it's that if I meet my demise today, I won't have any control over the piles of pictures of the interior of my house and car that may be needed for evidence. They will inevitably end up online for the whole world to see. So, today I made my kids clean their rooms, cleaned the laundry room and detailed my car! I think if I had to go today, the pics would be OK!! MOO

 

[Kamille]

I'm wondering if this is the case we heard about where a tenant found DM et al fiddling with her vehicle around the time she had a landlord/tenant dispute with him. This Small Claims Court case in which DM and others were involved contained allegations of theft. IF that theft allegation related to a vehicle, I can see DM wanting the court ruling negated so as not to be an issue in TB's case where theft of a vehicle is involved.

Any prior convictions would not be brought into the trial though would they? Even if it was for the same general thing?

And I assume she claimed she had something stolen and was taking them to court about that when she then claimed that they were doing something to her vehicle the night before the court date wasn't it?

Or was it originally just a monetary claim between landlord and tenant that escalated because a couple of guys were messing with her car so she couldn't make it on time to the court date?

So how long has the original case been pending or has it been settled? Is the car fiddling a separate case that is still pending? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Juballee]

A little off topic If WS and Forensic files have taught me anything, it's that if I meet my demise today, I won't have any control over the piles of pictures of the interior of my house and car that may be needed for evidence. They will inevitably end up online for the whole world to see. So, today I made my kids clean their rooms, cleaned the laundry room and detailed my car! I think if I had to go today, the pics would be OK!! MOO

Yes, but your browser history is still going to look awfully suspicious!

 

[Gibson67]

A little off topic If WS and Forensic files have taught me anything, it's that if I meet my demise today, I won't have any control over the piles of pictures of the interior of my house and car that may be needed for evidence. They will inevitably end up online for the whole world to see. So, today I made my kids clean their rooms, cleaned the laundry room and detailed my car! I think if I had to go today, the pics would be OK!! MOO

hahaha lmao that's too funny.

 

[MsSherlock]

Yes, but your browser history is still going to look awfully suspicious!

You got that right!! They'd have a hay day on my browser history. :scared:

 

[Typhoo1961]

Yes, but your browser history is still going to look awfully suspicious!

Now THAT made me laugh!! :laughing:

 

[MsSherlock]

Now THAT made me laugh!! :laughing:

Yep- just like I thought- my history on this laptop goes back a year- everything there from watching baby bunnies on You Tube to dissolving my hard drive in acetone.

 

[deugirtni]

Who knows, maybe the defense for DM may pull an NCR excuse out of the hat, and line up an bunch of shrinks to testify that DM's altimeter doesn't go all the way to the clouds. Maybe DM's behaviour in court is part of the act to convince the jury his engine isn't firing on all cylinders!

Don't the accuseds have to plead at the beginning of the trial (ie both of these accuseds plead 'not guilty' on the first day of trial)... they can't go changing it after the evidence gets presented, to NCR, can they?

 

[deugirtni]

So next week will (hopefully) be 4 days of testimony... and then 10 days off for March Break.. followed by 4 days (hopefully) in court.. and then I'm not sure, would the Courts get the 'Easter Monday' holiday off as well? Anyway, after the March Break, we'll already be into the third month of trial.. which was expected to be between 3 and 4 months. And part of them time, I am assuming, would have been allotted for defence witnesses.. I can't wait until they have SS, MM, and AM on the stand! I hope we get some notice as to when that will be taking place, and I'll bet the overflow room will be in full use on those days!

 

[swedie]

WOW! The Crown is doing a fantastic job with their evidence and witnesses, there's not much for us to sort out or figure out for us over here. MOO. :great::juanettes::great:

 

[swedie]

Don't the accuseds have to plead at the beginning of the trial (ie both of these accuseds plead 'not guilty' on the first day of trial)... they can't go changing it after the evidence gets presented, to NCR, can they?

The accused would have had to been NCR when the murder was committed, in order to use that as their defence. Their defense would have had to argue that from the get go and they would have gone through a host of psychological testing ordered by the judge. HTH and MOO.

Mental disorder, within the Canadian criminal justice system, is defined in the Criminal Code as a disease of the mind.[1] An individual charged with a criminal offence who has been found to suffer from a mental disorder by a mental health professional, however, is not necessarily exempt from criminal responsibility. Such a determination is based upon a strict legal test administered by a judge. Many accused who suffer from a mental disorder are therefore tried and convicted within the criminal justice system. In addition, an accused or counsel may decide that raising issues of mental illness during criminal proceedings may not even be in their best interests. Although it may avoid a criminal conviction, it can also lead to indeterminate involvement with the system responsible for managing mentally disordered accused. Thus, only a small group of accused actually raise the issue of mental illness and/or meet the legal threshold in Canada. These accused can be found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder (NCRMD) or they can be found unfit to stand trial.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/rr06_1/p1.html