Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

[deugirtni]

Just to take my post above one step further.....

If things happened that way, where SS actually knew about AJ's concern on the evening of the 8th, rather than the 9th, when AJ actually discussed it with him.... that could explain SS's anger and reaction... because he had already enlightened DM about the situation, and then the following day (the 9th), when he actually took the photo, called CS, and called a family meeting about it.. SS knew his goose was cooked, and DM's goose. It was by then already too late to 'warn' DM that it really was happening, as opposed to just a 'maybe he's onto you' type of thing.. since he knew he had photos, and had already made the call for the VIN, etc., and actually knew for SURE that it was TB's truck. It would explain a lot about his reaction, imho.

 

[deugirtni]

OMG, I can't WAIT for SS to take the stand!

 

[deugirtni]

To me, if DM had said, 'the suits are here', to the 'accountant', that implies that the accountant knew about things as well. Why would you say that to your accountant unless your accountant was privy to whatever the hay he was talking about? And.. if SS knew about AJ's concern and enlightened DM on the evening of the 8th, that would also potentially explain why the accountant was there on the 9th.. to retrieve that incinerator file for DM. The Hussey guy probably assumed the accountant was there because they were talking and having a meeting about the plans for an 'FBO', but I wonder how seriously interested DM was about that? Especially at that exact time.

It just seemed to me from the testimony that I heard from Hussey, that although Hussey thought DM was really interested, he was kind of making excuses why he couldn't be at meetings with him about it. It led me to think that DM was just humoring him. And also the late arrival of the condition that anyone getting in from the bottom up, needed to invest $5000, which Hussey may not have been able to do in the first place. Was that more like a way to make the FBO NOT happen? If I had just killed a man, and I had his freaking vehicle in my shop, and people actually saw it, and it was plastered all over the news, I would think an FBO or any other new business venture would be the very LAST thing on my mind, and the LAST thing I'd be thinking about.

 

[deugirtni]

This may be when he says TB is "gone,gone,gone". At this point MS's phone is still turned off from the previous night. Perhaps that's why she's so hesitant and doesn't hop in the car so quickly. JMO

You may be right about that. Makes sense, because MM's boyfriend had been unable to communicate with her for several hours (I am assuming, imo, that it was only due to battery power running out and not having a charger with him).. sounds like MM had somewhere 'special' to go, and that MS had committed to take her there.. whether a job interview, or whatever it was. He shows up at her door.. she was probably P!$$ED at him for not contacting her and being without a phone, and wondering where he'd been all night, etc.. and ya.. she already knew about the plan for a truck to be stolen.. it would make sense that that would be the time when he would've said that.. since I'm sure she would have asked him, well, did you guys get the truck???? She probably maybe had a little breakdown with tears, perhaps that is why she took a few extra seconds to come out of the door?

 

[porkchopp]

do YOU see HIS face doing any of these things and no one else, positively?? tia

 

[deugirtni]

do YOU see HIS face doing any of these things and no one else, positively?? tia

No but fortunately, I *am* able to add 2 plus 2.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I think his father's business was transformed into an bunch of illegal activities by Dellen once he had control of it all.

That is exactly what I think but I do wonder if DM had any stolen property in the hangar while his father was alive.

 

[porkchopp]

No but fortunately, I *am* able to add 2 plus 2.

good, well Id hope youd get four..thats approriate

 

[Typhoo1961]

OMG, I can't WAIT for SS to take the stand!

Should be interesting but I'd love to know what SS's wife thinks of her husband now.

 

[porkchopp]

oh, me too, but Im sure shell be one of those, oh hes such a good man YADDA YADDA lol

 

[Sillybilly]

Stop the unsubstantiated allegations, and do NOT state your opinion or rumour as fact.

It is every member's responsibility to familiarize themselves with The Rules. Failure to do so may result in timeouts or worse.

 

[Arnie M]

To me, if DM had said, 'the suits are here', to the 'accountant', that implies that the accountant knew about things as well. Why would you say that to your accountant unless your accountant was privy to whatever the hay he was talking about? And.. if SS knew about AJ's concern and enlightened DM on the evening of the 8th, that would also potentially explain why the accountant was there on the 9th.. to retrieve that incinerator file for DM. The Hussey guy probably assumed the accountant was there because they were talking and having a meeting about the plans for an 'FBO', but I wonder how seriously interested DM was about that? Especially at that exact time.

It just seemed to me from the testimony that I heard from Hussey, that although Hussey thought DM was really interested, he was kind of making excuses why he couldn't be at meetings with him about it. It led me to think that DM was just humoring him. And also the late arrival of the condition that anyone getting in from the bottom up, needed to invest $5000, which Hussey may not have been able to do in the first place. Was that more like a way to make the FBO NOT happen? If I had just killed a man, and I had his freaking vehicle in my shop, and people actually saw it, and it was plastered all over the news, I would think an FBO or any other new business venture would be the very LAST thing on my mind, and the LAST thing I'd be thinking about.

This is a good summary intrigued and I agree with much of it .... getting the purchase file from the accountant and then carry it away in a bag in his Yukon looks exactly like another part of his removing/hiding evidence ... he must have been feeling the heat pretty good at that point.

Same as your comment on DM leading (misleading) Mr Hussey about running a fuel franchise from the hangar .... Esso have standards and requirements to qualify for a dealer/franchise .... a person needs assets and experience and tons of working capital .... to fill a Boeing 747 can cost over $250,000

 

[andreww]

I'm still not decided on SS. I get the feeling that these guys weren't the type to listen to or watch the news, so they may not have been aware of the TB disappearance at that point. I think SS was aware of illegal activities, but his silence was reinforced by the "don't ask don't tell" policy of the shop. SS may have only become aware when the older AJ filled him in. I think SS was in conflict because of the crimes that he was likely aware of but probably not a participant in, so he just kept quite. Although it is shady it's also quite understandable IMO.


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[ABro]

I'm thinking 'panic mode' must have set in at some point, for some reason, on the 9th, since that is when TB's truck was transported OUT of the hangar, plans for repainting were cancelled, he started texting 'Dubien' at 10:23am that morning.

I believe that on May 8th a meeting was held at the hangar including DM, the Hussey fellow who testified this past Thursday, at which time he also gave a 'tour' to whomever else was at the meeting... I have to look back to see if it was stated who was at that meeting that day, because there was another meeting on the 10th as well. Hussey said he hadn't known at the time, about TB's case. Did anyone else in the meeting know? I know at one of the meetings there was the accountant (I don't think by accountant, that it meant 'LW'), the fellow who owned (was it Bearskin Airlines?), I believe SS, and perhaps some others, but can't remember offhand which meeting it was stated that those people were at.

Is it possible that on the 8th, after returning to work after the day off due to 'hangar politics', AJ sees the truck.. it bothers him all day (apparently), he stays away from it.. but that evening he discussed it with his wife (IIRC). Is it possible that his wife then contacted their daughter, and their daughter asked SS about it.. and then we see SS texting DM at 7:35pm the evening of the 8th.... was this to give DM a heads up that AJ was already potentially onto the situation?

Then if that were the case, it is possible that DM could secretly have been keeping his eye on AJ on the 9th, got the vibe from him, etc. Or even just listened to the news.. I'm not sure at which point the news started saying how someone recognized his wrist tattoo? He surely would have by then known that his time was up? So then... all of these things happened the evening of the 9th, the moving of the truck to his mother's, the moving of the toolbox to his friend's, the moving of the incinerator to the trees, and potentially also the retrieval of the 'incinerator purchase' file.

Then by the time LE arrived at the hangar on the 10th... DM said 'I thought you would', when they said they wanted to have a look around.. and 'the suits are here'... (who did he say that to though??) At one point, I thought he could have said it to SS, which would have made sense, since SS probably knew full well what had happened.. I think I recall reading both ways, that SS HAD accompanied AJ to Home Depot, and also that he had NOT accompanied him.

So from all of that, I am feeling like SS must have alerted DM on the evening of the 8th that AJ was onto him.. and the next day tasks started to be undertaken, and plans started to be made, etc. for the coverup part, which up until that time, it seems like he actually thought he was going to get away with everything, including having the truck painted... even with all of those people having seen it in the hangar.

All MOO

It was only Millard and Hussey at the meeting.

The only people we know saw the truck at the hangar are SS, AJ and Hussey.

 

[jash]

<rsbm>

Then if that were the case, it is possible that DM could secretly have been keeping his eye on AJ on the 9th, got the vibe from him, etc. Or even just listened to the news.. I'm not sure at which point the news started saying how someone recognized his wrist tattoo? He surely would have by then known that his time was up? So then... all of these things happened the evening of the 9th, the moving of the truck to his mother's, the moving of the toolbox to his friend's, the moving of the incinerator to the trees, and potentially also the retrieval of the 'incinerator purchase' file.
<rsbm>

BBM - the tattoo was announced at a press conference on May 10th.

@5 mins in:
[video=youtube;-QQvNrsjgBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QQvNrsjgBk[/video]

 

[Stratocaster]

To me, if DM had said, 'the suits are here', to the 'accountant', that implies that the accountant knew about things as well. Why would you say that to your accountant unless your accountant was privy to whatever the hay he was talking about? And.. if SS knew about AJ's concern and enlightened DM on the evening of the 8th, that would also potentially explain why the accountant was there on the 9th.. to retrieve that incinerator file for DM. The Hussey guy probably assumed the accountant was there because they were talking and having a meeting about the plans for an 'FBO', but I wonder how seriously interested DM was about that? Especially at that exact time.

It just seemed to me from the testimony that I heard from Hussey, that although Hussey thought DM was really interested, he was kind of making excuses why he couldn't be at meetings with him about it. It led me to think that DM was just humoring him. And also the late arrival of the condition that anyone getting in from the bottom up, needed to invest $5000, which Hussey may not have been able to do in the first place. Was that more like a way to make the FBO NOT happen? If I had just killed a man, and I had his freaking vehicle in my shop, and people actually saw it, and it was plastered all over the news, I would think an FBO or any other new business venture would be the very LAST thing on my mind, and the LAST thing I'd be thinking about.

I agree with this, and this is MOO also

 

[deugirtni]

BBM - the tattoo was announced at a press conference on May 10th.

@5 mins in:
[video=youtube;-QQvNrsjgBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QQvNrsjgBk[/video]

Thank you for posting that jash. So it seems that LE did not announce the tattoo info publicly until they already had DM in their sights. Same day they visited the hangar, same day they in fact arrested DM. DM had already hidden all of that stuff the night prior to this. So something tipped him off on the day before. That tells me right there, that SS was *way* more involved than I ever suspected. I can't wait to not only hear his testimony, but also to see his demeanour, ie is he regretful, does he downplay his role, does he come clean about the other things he knew, etc. Does anyone remember which day it was when LE started tailing DM? Was it on the 10th as well? It must have been, otherwise LE would have witnessed DM taking the trailer with truck inside, to Kleinberg,and all of the other stuff that was done on the evening of the 9th>

Imagine how this case may have turned out slightly differently, if not for SS giving DM the heads up on the evening of the 8th that his stepdad was potentially onto him? Would LE have caught DM red-handed with the truck still in the hangar? Would the paint shop owner have reported to police that he was painting a truck matching the description of the truck in the news? Would LE have found *the gun* on the hangar premises? Seems to me, moo, that SS' involvement in assisting in trying to cover up the crime, would qualify for an Accessory charge. I wonder if the Crown is waiting for the finale of their case presentation, to put their key witness on the stand?

 

[Errrr]

That is exactly what I think but I do wonder if DM had any stolen property in the hangar while his father was alive.

According to news sources, the Harley and its trailer found in the hangar were stolen in the Fall of 2012. I can't find a more specific date than that. WM died in mid Nov. 2012.

 

[Kamille]

It was only Millard and Hussey at the meeting.

The only people we know saw the truck at the hangar are SS, AJ and Hussey.

To add to your post, I believe there was another small meeting of sorts at the hangar on the 10th, after the truck had been removed from the hangar. One that was set up on the 8th and involved other people. After hearing about that, I wondered if that was the reason why DM was moving the truck out of the hangar on the 9th, whether that had always been the plan, although he was going to be moving it to the Auto Collision shop in North York, but he decided to cancel the paint job and just move it to his mother's driveway until he could get a feel for the situation. If he was always intending on taking the truck out of the hangar on the 9th to take it to the body shop, why wouldn't he set up a meeting for the 10th to make things appear normal? Something on the 9th was spooking him about whether LE may have been on to him though so the plan to move the truck to the body shop was aborted for a while IMO. Maybe that's why he parked it at MB's house. He figured if nothing came of this and LE did not come around asking questions, he could set up the appt again and move the truck from MB's to the shop. Perhaps that's what he told his mother, or was going to tell his mother, about why the trailer was put there. He was taking a vehicle in it to be painted and it was not in a condition to be driven. Would she question that? I'm sure she knew about all the other vehicles that had gone through the hangars over the years.

MOO

 

[deugirtni]

This is a good summary intrigued and I agree with much of it .... getting the purchase file from the accountant and then carry it away in a bag in his Yukon looks exactly like another part of his removing/hiding evidence ... he must have been feeling the heat pretty good at that point.

Same as your comment on DM leading (misleading) Mr Hussey about running a fuel franchise from the hangar .... Esso have standards and requirements to qualify for a dealer/franchise .... a person needs assets and experience and tons of working capital .... to fill a Boeing 747 can cost over $250,000

Hey, since when is it *okay* to give away my secret anagram publicly on WS??!!

After looking up what an FBO is, now I am confused as to the different between an FBO and an MRO. I looked up what an FBO does, but it also seems to offer repair and maintenance and repair services. Would an FBO cost even more money to establish as a business, than an MRO would??