Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

[porkchopp]

Was the Lucas Bate phone ever found? If not, I wonder what happened to it? I don't think it was used again after TB's death.

Im thinking its something that was burned at the hangar, re the second burn activity.. any other evidence
(been following this case and several others over the years just 1st time registering)

 

[porkchopp]

I cannot wait for SS to take the stand. Will it be revealed how involved he must have been.? Especially in regards to his comments to the maufacturer of the incinerator via email; what exactly was he burning to warrant his opinion of the machine being so "awesome"???

This Im very interested in knowing as well.

 

[porkchopp]

I sure hope they do. It will be quite interesting wont it?

 

[Errrr]

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TB's truck may not have even had headlights at this point - slides 8 through 11 show that, when the trailer and truck were seized, the headlights had been removed and placed in the bed of the truck.

However, it looks like there are lights on the ceiling of the trailer.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2HcLKBpswT4aEswVnRPbTVmbjQ/view?pref=2&pli=1

Judging from that photo, I could easily see that a reflection off that bumper would look like headlights.
Also, as has been stated before, just because they didn't find an orange tarp in the trailer doesn't mean it wasn't there. Remember it was stated that DM and CN dropped the trailer off in Kleinburg first and then drove to the Roseville farm to relocate the incinerator. That tarp could be anywhere between those two places.

 

[porkchopp]

The posts about SS wondering if he knew this or if he knew that..etc.. Pls remember the msm even wrote stories on how "several" stolen vehicles were found in the hangar..under 10 "at the time" who knows how many over time.. dont tell me he wasnt taking part in the whole schemeal from the get go too.. doesnt cut it for me, or the FIL.. They/He must have brought some REALLY good evidence to the table once **** hit the fan to get him off of any serious charges . Also some very big busts happened right after all this, and even just recently at the airport (from mexico too)

 

[Kamille]

Can anyone speculate who would be involved in minor 'chopping' of TB's truck at the hangar before it was loaded into cargo trailer (Dodge ram identifying trim/front seats/lights/pressure washed on the green tarp)....I believe SS ordered a windshield removing tool and some sanding discs, I'm guessing at DM's request from Napa, being he's a licensed mechanic, I wonder if SS was there from the start of the 'chop'. Or did the 'chop' start in the early hours of May 7th with only the two accused?

This is an interesting question because I've wondered the same. Nowhere in AJ's testimony did he mention ever actually touching or working on TB's truck in preparation for painting, as in sanding decals, removing the lights, emblems, trim etc. that I can recall. And yet he was supposed to have been working at the hangar all week alongside his son in law. He was not fired until May 10th. We could see in the pictures that he took that the lights and emblems were still intact on the morning of May 9th and the truck was moved out of the hangar the same day, in the early evening. We also know that SS and AJ were both there working on the 9th. So if the Crown did not elicit testimony from AJ as to what work he may have done on the truck that week, does this mean that he never touched it? Are we to believe that either DM or MS knew how to prep a vehicle for painting by removing emblems, lights etc.? And when would they have done this? They didn't get to the hangar until around 3pm on the 9th. Also, I believe that DM had called off the paint job that day (don't remember if a time was given) and was preparing to move the truck out of the hangar after he arrived in the afternoon as they were at the farm around 4:30pm, likely picking up the seats. IMO, this only leaves one person with the knowledge to do this kind of prep work, SS. And the most likely time these preparations were done would be on May 9th after AJ had taken the pictures and called Crimestoppers. I believe he said he did that first thing in the morning? He was there alone? So did SS think DM was still getting the truck painted before he showed up in the afternoon? Was he told on the 8th, when DM made the appt to get it painted, to get it prepped for sometime the next day?

MOO

 

[porkchopp]

yes thats what I thought too, that chrome IS real shiny.. I could see where I might see that too.

 

[porkchopp]

This is an interesting question because I've wondered the same. Nowhere in AJ's testimony did he mention ever actually touching or working on TB's truck in preparation for painting, as in sanding decals, removing the lights, emblems, trim etc. that I can recall. And yet he was supposed to have been working at the hangar all week alongside his son in law. He was not fired until May 10th. We could see in the pictures that he took that the lights and emblems were still intact on the morning of May 9th and the truck was moved out of the hangar the same day, in the early evening. We also know that SS and AJ were both there working on the 9th. So if the Crown did not elicit testimony from AJ as to what work he may have done on the truck that week, does this mean that he never touched it? Are we to believe that either DM or MS knew how to prep a vehicle for painting by removing emblems, lights etc.? And when would they have done this? They didn't get to the hangar until around 3pm on the 9th. Also, I believe that DM had called off the paint job that day (don't remember if a time was given) and was preparing to move the truck out of the hangar after he arrived in the afternoon as they were at the farm around 4:30pm, likely picking up the seats. IMO, this only leaves one person with the knowledge to do this kind of prep work, SS. And the most likely time these preparations were done would be on May 9th after AJ had taken the pictures and called Crimestoppers. I believe he said he did that first thing in the morning? He was there alone? So did SS think DM was still getting the truck painted before he showed up in the afternoon? Was he told on the 8th, when DM made the appt to get it painted, to get it prepped for sometime the next day?

MOO

Think you answered your own question right there.. SS wasnt some fool who didnt know what DM was up to all those years, think he just cut ties when DM was caught RED handed.. or gloved so to speak.. nope, he knew, spilled his guts for a hell of a deal or knew when to shut up about what.. and spilled little.. no way this man wasnt involved in DMs dirty work. JMO of coarse

 

[Stratocaster]

This is an interesting question because I've wondered the same. Nowhere in AJ's testimony did he mention ever actually touching or working on TB's truck in preparation for painting, as in sanding decals, removing the lights, emblems, trim etc. that I can recall. And yet he was supposed to have been working at the hangar all week alongside his son in law. He was not fired until May 10th. We could see in the pictures that he took that the lights and emblems werafter AJAJ'sll intact on the morning of May 9th and the truck was moved out of the hangar the same day, in the early evening. We also know that SS and AJ were both there working on the 9th. So if the Crown did not elicit testimony from AJ as to what work he may have done on the truck that week, does this mean that he never touched it? Are we to believe that either DM or MS knew how to prep a vehicle for painting by removing emblems, lights etc.? And when would they have done this? They didn't get to the hangar until around 3pm on the 9th. Also, I believe that DM had called off the paint job that day (don't remember if a time was given) and was preparing to move the truck out of the hangar after he arrived in the afternoon as they were at the farm around 4:30pm, likely picking up the seats. IMO, this only leaves one person with the knowledge to do this kind of prep work, SS. And the most likely time these preparations were done would be on May 9th after AJ had taken the pictures and called Crimestoppers. I believe he said he did that first thing in the morning? He was there alone? So did SS think DM was still getting the truck painted before he showed up in the afternoon? Was he told on the 8th, when DM made the appt to get it painted, to get it prepped for sometime the next day?

MOO

Makes perfect sense to me, thinkin DM kicks into 5th gear panic mode after AJ's sudden dismissal

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think most of us who have been following this case from the beginning have always suspected SS knew things. Specifically, knew of criminal activity and simply turned a blind eye. That said, he's not been charged with anything (as far as I know), so you have to wonder why.

I think by the time the Crown is done presenting it's evidence and all testimony, this might be cleared up.

moo.

 

[porkchopp]

Another thing Id like others to explore or consider, why it hasnt been mentioned I dont know but..(and this is NOT excusing any criminal actions by Dellen by any means) has anyone ever even considered any criminal activities, be it vehicular stuff, escort services, illegal drug activities, real estate "stuff" didnt go on as dellen grew up.. and he "inherited" all this "stuff" as well, from someone???? I believe it could quite be the case, and actually Im pretty sure it is. He just didnt know how to handle everything as well as "someone" else did once it was his own problem now to deal with these ppl.. Alot is missing to this puzzle although it seems to be wrapped up nicely. I really dont think it is sadly. Alot of others that SHOULD be behind bars too are not. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Another thing Id like others to explore or consider, why it hasnt been mentioned I dont know but..(and this is NOT excusing any criminal actions by Dellen by any means) has anyone ever even considered any criminal activities, be it vehicular stuff, escort services, illegal drug activities, real estate "stuff" didnt go on as dellen grew up.. and he "inherited" all this "stuff" as well, from someone???? I believe it could quite be the case, and actually Im pretty sure it is. He just didnt know how to handle everything as well as "someone" else did once it was his own problem now to deal with these ppl.. Alot is missing to this puzzle although it seems to be wrapped up nicely. I really dont think it is sadly. Alot of others that SHOULD be behind bars too are not. JMO

I don't think this has anything to do with anyone other than DM as the ringleader and his proclivity to less than legal means of acquiring what he wanted because it amuses him or he feels it's his right. And a group of fawning sycophants who thought they had found the goose who layed the golden eggs. None of them had to do much in the way of work in order to be paid by DM and all of them seemed to be willing to turn a blind eye to what they knew to be less than lawful activities on his part, at least one even allegedly participating with him in murder on what appears to be more than one occasion.

IMO, this is nothing more than one person with a severe, non diagnosed, personality disorder, too much time on his hands and access to money to buy a "posse" of people willing to do his bidding and keep quiet about what he was up to. But it in no way appears to be anything other than Occam's Razor with regards to this particular murder. There are no other outside influences, it's just one personality disordered guy who was running short on cash, owned a gun and needed to steal a truck to get to Baja by the end of the month IMO. And he was willing to do whatever it took to get that truck.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Makes perfect sense to me, thinkin DM kicks into 5th gear panic mode after AJ's sudden dismissal

I think his panic mode set in either sometime in the afternoon on the 9th or most definitely after his visit with LE on the morning of the 10th. It was the visit from LE that prompted DM to fire AJ IMO.

 

[porkchopp]

I don't think this has anything to do with anyone other than DM as the ringleader and his proclivity to less than legal means of acquiring what he wanted because it amuses him or he feels it's his right. And a group of fawning sycophants who thought they had found the goose who layed the golden eggs. None of them had to do much in the way of work in order to be paid by DM and all of them seemed to be willing to turn a blind eye to what they knew to be less than lawful activities on his part, at least one even allegedly participating with him in murder on what appears to be more than one occasion.

IMO, this is nothing more than one person with a severe, non diagnosed, personality disorder, too much time on his hands and access to money to buy a "posse" of people willing to do his bidding and keep quiet about what he was up to. But it in no way appears to be anything other than Occam's Razor with regards to this particular murder. There are no other outside influences, it's just one personality disordered guy who was running short on cash, owned a gun and needed to steal a truck to get to Baja by the end of the month IMO. And he was willing to do whatever it took to get that truck.

MOO

I agree with all of this but do believe he may have grew up around much "activity" as well to make him feel it was the norm.. JMO of coarse

 

[porkchopp]

I cannot wait for SS to take the stand. Will it be revealed how involved he must have been.? Especially in regards to his comments to the maufacturer of the incinerator via email; what exactly was he burning to warrant his opinion of the machine being so "awesome"???

I would really like to know what was so "awesome" too..many do. Im sure. I also hope once this trial is over, if possible and warranted he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for any crimes he is now found to have committed because he undoubtbly should, by now..the public are not happy about his carry on and freedom -even thus far. JMO

 

[mskrisc]

I'm guessing he had to reassure her DM is not going to kill her.

This may be when he says TB is "gone,gone,gone". At this point MS's phone is still turned off from the previous night. Perhaps that's why she's so hesitant and doesn't hop in the car so quickly. JMO

 

[Gumshew]

Another thing Id like others to explore or consider, why it hasnt been mentioned I dont know but..(and this is NOT excusing any criminal actions by Dellen by any means) has anyone ever even considered any criminal activities, be it vehicular stuff, escort services, illegal drug activities, real estate "stuff" didnt go on as dellen grew up.. and he "inherited" all this "stuff" as well, from someone???? I believe it could quite be the case, and actually Im pretty sure it is. He just didnt know how to handle everything as well as "someone" else did once it was his own problem now to deal with these ppl.. Alot is missing to this puzzle although it seems to be wrapped up nicely. I really dont think it is sadly. Alot of others that SHOULD be behind bars too are not. JMO

I don't think the illegal activity was inherited. I think his father's business was transformed into an bunch of illegal activities by Dellen once he had control of it all. But then who knows? <modsnip>

 

[porkchopp]

This may be when he says TB is "gone,gone,gone". At this point MS's phone is still turned off from the previous night. Perhaps that's why she's so hesitant and doesn't hop in the car so quickly. JMO

I believe this was said at another more private time. The mess of the vehicle and obstructions were the mere hold up I think anyway. JMO

 

[porkchopp]

Does anyone here know if WM had a heart condition? Did they ever own property on center st. Vaughn? can anyone find out its been pretty important to know. Know someone who swears she rented from DM at this location with horrific details of the house itself.. tia

 

[deugirtni]

I think his panic mode set in either sometime in the afternoon on the 9th or most definitely after his visit with LE on the morning of the 10th. It was the visit from LE that prompted DM to fire AJ IMO.

I'm thinking 'panic mode' must have set in at some point, for some reason, on the 9th, since that is when TB's truck was transported OUT of the hangar, plans for repainting were cancelled, he started texting 'Dubien' at 10:23am that morning.

I believe that on May 8th a meeting was held at the hangar including DM, the Hussey fellow who testified this past Thursday, at which time he also gave a 'tour' to whomever else was at the meeting... I have to look back to see if it was stated who was at that meeting that day, because there was another meeting on the 10th as well. Hussey said he hadn't known at the time, about TB's case. Did anyone else in the meeting know? I know at one of the meetings there was the accountant (I don't think by accountant, that it meant 'LW'), the fellow who owned (was it Bearskin Airlines?), I believe SS, and perhaps some others, but can't remember offhand which meeting it was stated that those people were at.

Is it possible that on the 8th, after returning to work after the day off due to 'hangar politics', AJ sees the truck.. it bothers him all day (apparently), he stays away from it.. but that evening he discussed it with his wife (IIRC). Is it possible that his wife then contacted their daughter, and their daughter asked SS about it.. and then we see SS texting DM at 7:35pm the evening of the 8th.... was this to give DM a heads up that AJ was already potentially onto the situation?

Then if that were the case, it is possible that DM could secretly have been keeping his eye on AJ on the 9th, got the vibe from him, etc. Or even just listened to the news.. I'm not sure at which point the news started saying how someone recognized his wrist tattoo? He surely would have by then known that his time was up? So then... all of these things happened the evening of the 9th, the moving of the truck to his mother's, the moving of the toolbox to his friend's, the moving of the incinerator to the trees, and potentially also the retrieval of the 'incinerator purchase' file.

Then by the time LE arrived at the hangar on the 10th... DM said 'I thought you would', when they said they wanted to have a look around.. and 'the suits are here'... (who did he say that to though??) At one point, I thought he could have said it to SS, which would have made sense, since SS probably knew full well what had happened.. I think I recall reading both ways, that SS HAD accompanied AJ to Home Depot, and also that he had NOT accompanied him.

So from all of that, I am feeling like SS must have alerted DM on the evening of the 8th that AJ was onto him.. and the next day tasks started to be undertaken, and plans started to be made, etc. for the coverup part, which up until that time, it seems like he actually thought he was going to get away with everything, including having the truck painted... even with all of those people having seen it in the hangar.

All MOO