Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

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This little break may give DM and MS some good time for reflection. A few things about DM that stick out. #1: at no point in the TB murder did DM work solo- always had someone there to assist him.
#2: DM is very fractured or under developed in social etiquette- thus waving, smiling at witnesses.
#3: DM functions at the level of a mid teen- staring down MS, immature cockiness, denial, blame game, his carelessness, tunnel vision (i.e. he knew his CCTV needed to be tended to, but failed to consider everyone elses)
#4: DM has displayed the ability to compartmentalize his life. Taking everyday phone calls and texts while he's in the middle of a murder/coverup.
#5: DM was able to rise to be the alpha in the pack. Unlike his teen years, DM was able to garner blind support from his new group of friends. IMO, if it wasn't for the money, DM would have never been able to do this. Even the likes of MS would have questioned him, but instead they felt a sense of security in DM's decisions probably thinking DM was better than they were.

Move over PB, I think DM will be taking the "Ontario's Most Notorious Psychopath" award.

MOO
 
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I agree, AJ was never going to call police, probably because like most of us he felt SS was involved in one way or another. When AJ testified that he was physically ill after confirming it was TB's truck, I feel it was because of the possible ramifications for himself, SS and his daughter more than any remorse for TB or his family
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When AJ was fired his son in law was still working there. I still think he called the police because he no longer feared for his job. His stated fears for his safety were probably manufactured afte the fact to explain his behaviour to the rest of us.
 
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You know how sometimes you will hear or read something, and then it will kind of play with your mind? Well, that has been happening to some extent with me in regard to the conversation recently held relating to Bullard's (sp?) testimony (the neighbour near the Bosma's residence). I cannot say for certain whether (or was it Bullen?) Bullen actually said the word 'smaller' when he referred to the second vehicle. I heard his testimony, took a few notes, not my usual thorough note-taking on that day, but I just don't recall him saying 'smaller'. When I read the one tweet (and I believe there is only one that says that) which said that he said 'smaller', the first thing I thought was that he actually may have said 'similar', as opposed to 'smaller'.

Anyway.. that Yukon XL that belongs to DM, it is a LARGE vehicle. It is as large as a pickup truck. It looks like it could BE a pickup truck with a cap on it. And it is also hard to believe that in 2013, someone, anyone, wouldn't know what an SUV was. I could see if it was 2000, and someone wasn't sure what an SUV was, but not in 2013. That is kind of crazy to me. I have NO idea how the man could say that he knew it wasn't a truck and he knew it wasn't a car, but something in between. Really? That is just not how I would expect a Yukon XL to be described at all. If he did in fact say it was 'smaller', I guess I could potentially see that, because probably even though it is almost as long as TB's truck in length, it is likely lower to the ground, which would/could make it appear to be a 'smaller' vehicle. Did TB's truck have larger tires, and normally pickup trucks are higher off the ground than a Yukon, aren't they? So I guess that could explain that part. Was Bullen ever asked to identify the second vehicle and was he able to pick out the Yukon as being the one similar? I can't remember.

Now I am starting to have a few conspiracy theories running in my mind.. when I think about that description, and then combine it with how the trucks would have needed to backtrack in order to be seen going past the Supersucker camera, and then when the other vehicles were noted to have also been seen on the camera, and then the timing thing, and the discrepancies in cell tower pings, and etc. (ie one of the officers saying that TB's phone pinged at 10:56pm, even though the phone had been powered down at 10:02pm, etc). This is what a week off will do to me.

I wondered about the description too when I first heard it but then I thought about my own vehicle. I own a black Chrysler Aspen which, to my untrained eye, would probably look similar to the dark Yukon if I saw it driving behind a truck. My vehicle isn't a car or a truck and I'm pretty sure it's considered to be an SUV.
 
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When AJ was fired his son in law was still working there. I still think he called the police because he no longer feared for his job. His stated fears for his safety were probably manufactured afte the fact to explain his behaviour to the rest of us.

IMO what kind of person would ever think their CO-OP placement would be more important that the life of a man who had a wife and baby daughter? That is what I cannot wrap my head around. AJ's testimony says he was fearful for his life..what was it between he and his own son in law that he felt he could not confide in him? He obviously felt his SIL was involved or he would have told him what he knew before even calling crimestoppers IMO. I think we are giving DM too much credit for being able to manipulate all these people. I truly feel this circle of friends are all from the same shady mold. I am curious what DM was like before when he was engaged..he seemed to have plans for the future, plans for the hangar. Did he snap? Was the breakup on her part and he lost his mind? Did he really not kill his father and that tragedy from his death made him snap? When did he start the criminal activity? When did he start hanging around MS? From what I see AM seems respectable and has his life in order..it will be interesting to hear all the friends testimony yet to come, hopefully it will answer some of these questions. (All my opinion)
 
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I have been meaning to post this.. something that has been bothering me..

Remember the photographs which were found on the ipad found in MS's bedroom? There was apparently one of a hand holding a gun, which showed a clear image of a 'mole' or something on one of the fingers.. and then another picture of a guy, also with the mole in the same place indicating that the pics were same person type of deal.. and that the pic was MS..

I am really finding it difficult to see MS in that photograph. To me it doesn't even look like him. Comments?

I am posting the photo I'm talking about below:

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IMO, you can *really* tell just from body language who the leader of the pack is on video #1 above.

Not just in video #1. Seems to me that Smich is following in all the driving footage as well.
 
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I have been meaning to post this.. something that has been bothering me..

Remember the photographs which were found on the ipad found in MS's bedroom? There was apparently one of a hand holding a gun, which showed a clear image of a 'mole' or something on one of the fingers.. and then another picture of a guy, also with the mole in the same place indicating that the pics were same person type of deal.. and that the pic was MS..

I am really finding it difficult to see MS in that photograph. To me it doesn't even look like him. Comments?

I am posting the photo I'm talking about below:

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Funny, that looks exactly like him to me.

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Why does it say this video shows DM & MS inside the hangar at 1:33 AM

The time is actually 6:11 AM

Complete time/date on video reads 05/07/2013 06:11:33

In other words this video is when they are getting ready to leaving the hangar

It could just be an error by CBC Hamilton (MOB REPORTER) ... if it was presented in court as 1:33 it is wrong

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[video=youtube;zt_AvHl7vfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_AvHl7vfU[/video]

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Link to CBC where they say 1:33 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...after-tim-bosma-disappeared-1.3483358#Plaxton


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IMO, you can *really* tell just from body language who the leader of the pack is on video #1 above.

All I really see from that body language is which one actually owns the hangar and better knows where to look for whatever they're looking for. JMO
 
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Why does it say this video shows DM & MS inside the hangar at 1:33 AM

The time is actually 6:11 AM

Complete time/date on video reads 05/07/2013 06:11:33

In other words this video is when they are getting ready to leaving the hangar

It could just be an error by CBC Hamilton (MOB REPORTER) ... if it was presented in court as 1:33 it is wrong

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[video=youtube;zt_AvHl7vfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_AvHl7vfU[/video]

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Link to CBC where they say 1:33 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...after-tim-bosma-disappeared-1.3483358#Plaxton


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This is from Adam Carter's Live Blog on March 9th, and he was recording what was happening in court. It makes sense that it would be when they are leaving, because......... where was the dog when they arrived? It actually sickens me to think of even the possibility that the dog was in the Yukon the entire time. I was thinking that when the Yukon left the hangar for a bit, that was when DM may have gone home to fetch his dog.. although he was probably not gone long enough to do that.. and if he was going home to do that, then I'm sure he would also have grabbed a change of clothes... the two men picked up MM at 8am.. had they not been changed yet? If they HAD changed clothes already, then that suggests premeditation, since where did the change of clothes come from in advance?

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The next video shows the inside of the hangar, where two men and a dog are seen at 1:33 a.m. on May 7, 2013.
 
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All I really see from that body language is which one actually owns the hangar and better knows where to look for whatever they're looking for. JMO

To each his own opinion of course, but MS was well aware and familiar with the hangar by then, and it is more just the whole body language package that is telling me that he is the leader.

Also, I would make a terrible eye witness, because that photo of MS above just looks nothing like MS to me.
 
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Why does it say this video shows DM & MS inside the hangar at 1:33 AM

The time is actually 6:11 AM

Complete time/date on video reads 05/07/2013 06:11:33

In other words this video is when they are getting ready to leaving the hangar

It could just be an error by CBC Hamilton (MOB REPORTER) ... if it was presented in court as 1:33 it is wrong

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[video=youtube;zt_AvHl7vfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_AvHl7vfU[/video]

Because the time stamps on every video was off, except I believe the one at MM's apartment which was within 1 or 2 minutes. The amount of time they were off varied, some up to 3 to 4 hours. For example, the one at Super Sucker was said to be 3 hours off, but then had been fixed by the time Plaxton got to it. The one at GA Masonry was 29 minutes off. I believe it is the hanger DVD that he is referring to when he says:

Mar 9 2016 10:21 AM Adam Carter Plaxton says the DVR was five hours and ten minutes fast when he first looked at it. A year later, it was five hours and 20 minutes off. Plaxton says this is common as the device was powered off and stored -- he calls it "drift."

And this:

Mar 9 2016 10:27 AM Adam Carter The corrected time on the DVR was four hours and 38 minutes fast, Plaxton says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-trial-flames-seen-at-millardair-hangar-hours-after-tim-bosma-disappeared-1.3483358#Plaxton
 
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This is from Adam Carter's Live Blog on March 9th, and he was recording what was happening in court. It makes sense that it would be when they are leaving, because......... where was the dog when they arrived? It actually sickens me to think of even the possibility that the dog was in the Yukon the entire time. I was thinking that when the Yukon left the hangar for a bit, that was when DM may have gone home to fetch his dog.. although he was probably not gone long enough to do that.. and if he was going home to do that, then I'm sure he would also have grabbed a change of clothes... the two men picked up MM at 8am.. had they not been changed yet? If they HAD changed clothes already, then that suggests premeditation, since where did the change of clothes come from in advance?

AJ testified that DM was living at the hangar..so maybe there were lots of clothes there already?

Feb 4 2016 12:30 PMThere were tire tracks to the back doors of the hangar. Jennings says there was a "big black and white trailer" that was used to haul cars that had "disappeared" from the hangar, too.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 12:31 PMJennings says by that time Millard was living in the office area of the hangar. There was a shower, etc in there.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...l-oh-my-god-could-that-be-the-truck-1.3433214
 
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This is from Adam Carter's Live Blog on March 9th, and he was recording what was happening in court. It makes sense that it would be when they are leaving, because......... where was the dog when they arrived? It actually sickens me to think of even the possibility that the dog was in the Yukon the entire time. I was thinking that when the Yukon left the hangar for a bit, that was when DM may have gone home to fetch his dog.. although he was probably not gone long enough to do that.. and if he was going home to do that, then I'm sure he would also have grabbed a change of clothes... the two men picked up MM at 8am.. had they not been changed yet? If they HAD changed clothes already, then that suggests premeditation, since where did the change of clothes come from in advance?

The Yukon left the hangar from 12:42 am until 1:12 am, before they are seen in the hangar, according to Plaxton's testimony.

Mar 9 2016 10:57 AM Adam Carter At 12:42 a.m., the SUV leaves the area.

Mar 9 2016 10:59 AM Adam Carter Now we're seeing video at 1:12 a.m. There's no vehicle movement again until that time, Plaxton says.

Mar 9 2016 11:05 AM Adam Carter The next video shows the inside of the hangar, where two men and a dog are seen at 1:33 a.m. on May 7, 2013.

And the confusing part about the times:

Mar 9 2016 11:07 AM Adam Carter The timestamp on this video jumps ahead quite a lot. "I believe this timestamp has shifted over and the seconds are being read as minutes," Plaxton says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-trial-flames-seen-at-millardair-hangar-hours-after-tim-bosma-disappeared-1.3483358#Plaxton
 
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