Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #7

[paris_paris]

I've still yet to see proof that MS was there. Yes his phone was there, and yes he was there personally at the hanger later than night, BUT was he personally there at the time of the murder. SB did not yet positively identify him as the second guy in the driveway. His prints or blood are also not on anything, as far as I remember. So you can bet the defense strategy for MS is going to be amplifying the fact that his presence there has not been proven, and they will no doubt try to raise reasonable doubt to that effect. At this stage I think the jury will wrestle with the MS verdict. That said, DM is toast.

The crown said in their opening statement that they would prove MS was there. There is plenty of evidence to come. Some evidence we've seen has been elaborated on just enough to show how it relates to DM. I expect some of that evidence will be brought up again as it relates to MS.

 

[andreww]

The crown said in their opening statement that they would prove MS was there. There is plenty of evidence to come. Some evidence we've seen has been elaborated on just enough to show how it relates to DM. I expect some of that evidence will be brought up again as it relates to MS.

I doubt that. Prosecution has been presenting evidence chronologically, I don't see them going back and starting again. I think that he's spilled his guts to MM and that she's going to make it all public when she takes the stand.

 

[SnooperDuper]

The crown said in their opening statement that they would prove MS was there. There is plenty of evidence to come. Some evidence we've seen has been elaborated on just enough to show how it relates to DM. I expect some of that evidence will be brought up again as it relates to MS.

Since they are presenting text with witnesses that sent/received them, I expect that there will be some hard evidence coming up.

There's been no exculpatory evidence for either DM or MS - no proof that they were elsewhere, otherwise engaged.

 

[Inspector_North]

We also know the Eliminator was designed to be mobile and was all fueled up.

Why wasn't it where they needed it to be? At the hangar?

We know they had a gun

We know one of them probably did.

and yes we know DM wanted diesel truck that was the same make as his red one.

Yes he was shopping for one, but we also know he already had a perfectly capable truck. Wasn't there talk of entering a second car that year? Maybe TB's truck would allow Smich to be part of a second team?


We all know there has been talk of Millard being cash strapped, but there is a huge difference in not being able to come up with the cash for a million dollar condo and coming up with $25K for a truck. JV said Millard was certainly late paying at times, but he seemed to always get paid. There hasn't been any testimony about Millard not being able to bay his bills and plans were underway to develop the farm property. And bottom line, he could have just used the old gas truck! Was this a big enough issue to kill someone over? And if they wanted the truck, why not go in the middle of the night and hot-wire it?

And I hear you about the chop shop. But what chop shop?

Maybe they were going to use it at the farm. But plans changed when they had a clean up and use the Eliminator due to time limits. If you look at the video of the Eliminator leaving, it is done after dark. Not sure it was in their plan to use it at the hanger.

I don't believe they intended to shoot him in the truck, and plans changed.

The chop shop was a report by police of several stolen vehicles, and one we know they found the owner, the Harley. He scratched the VIN under the seat, or something like that. The original VIN was removed.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...d_from_dellen_millards_hangar_police_say.html

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

One thing I don't get: people keep suggesting if DM fired the gun, it was an accident, or else MS fired the gun, and it was on purpose.

Why is it so hard to believe that DM intentionally fired the gun and killed TB?

 

[Typhoo1961]

Why is it so hard to believe that DM intentionally fired the gun and killed TB?

Not hard for me. That is what I believe happened. I don't think Tim was alive for very long once they pulled out of Tim's driveway with him.

 

[Stratocaster]

A little more about the incinerator, do we know when that was brought to the farm prior to May 6th? IIRC there was testimony from SH that he saw it in the middle of the inside of the barn while moving hay around??

 

[Melzack]

I think that DM planed everything out in his sick head and convinced himself that it would be so easy that no one would even notice like LB. He convinced MS to go with him but I don't think they thought about what the inside of the truck would look like after killing someone. They also never expected (so stupid) that his wife/family would be so desperate to find him and all of the media coverage. If this was a robbery gone wrong they wouldn't carry a body around and pick up an incinerator at a farm that has no livestock. This was very much planned and I hope they are both found guilty of first degree murder.

 

[Inspector_North]

A little more about the incinerator, do we know when that was brought to the farm prior to May 6th? IIRC there was testimony from SH that he saw it in the middle of the inside of the barn while moving hay around??

Or how many times it had the propane refueled, and when.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Or how many times it had the propane refueled, and when.

I don't think they can go there because of the LB trial.

 

[redwing7225]

Or how many times it had the propane refueled, and when.

The refueling of the propane would be a business expense, I'm sure the book keeper would have it inputted within the business records...*covering eyes*

 

[SnooperDuper]

The refueling of the propane would be a business expense, I'm sure the book keeper would have it inputted within the business records...*covering eyes*

I am interested to hear the testimony of the husband of LW1. I wonder if he will side with DM's female supporters or throw shade like AS and RB.

 

[Inspector_North]

I don't think they can go there because of the LB trial.

Ah! Looks like he will be his own council for that one. In some ways he is trying to emulate Jodi, or Ted. And I can't remember when an innocent accused ever successfully did.

 

[Quaere_veritatem]

I don’t think JV’s cross examination will go on for anothertwo hours. At the end of the day onWednesday it was the judge who asked how much longer for cross examination andthe lawyer said a couple more hours. Ithink this is the normal push and pull that happens in a courtroom. The judge wants to keep things moving alongand this is just the lawyer’s way of saying that he can’t be rushed and he’lltake as long as he needs to do his job. IMO

 

[brightii]

As far as LW2, I think it is very reasonable to think that as lovers, she and DM may well have communicated about a lot of private things affecting their lives. Intimate relationships often include sharing information that one might otherwise keep secret from less intimate associates.

LW2's explanation about presuming DM meant he was "sick" when he said he was "too hot" is, in my mind, a ludicrous statement and laughable.

As lovers, the term hot might more logically be construed, IMO, as meaning "attractive", though in the context of DM asking Scotty to stay away because he was "too hot", is actually very transparent IMO as to his intention - that he was on LE's radar by then and he knew it. If LW2 had truly misconstrued DM's text and had no idea why he'd say such a thing, I'd think as his lover it would be more logical IMO that LW2 would have replied with a joke about DM describing himself as "too hot" or at the very least she would have asked DM what the heck he meant by the cautionary comment, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

When does the court convene again, tomorrow or Wednesday?

 

[brightii]

When does the court convene again, tomorrow or Wednesday?

Wednesday.

ETA: Legal arguments scheduled for tomorrow without the jury present of course.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Wednesday.

ETA: Legal arguments schedule for tomorrow without the jury present of course.

Yup:


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 9h9 hours ago
No Tim #Bosma murder trial today. Tomorrow, legal arguments only. Wednesday, jury is back.

 

[brightii]

After going through the exhibits one more time, at this time I believe DM was the shooter. There is no way DM would be taking the elaborate steps to cover up the crime if he wasn't. MS just did what DM told him to do, and I don't think DM would go out of his way to cover if MS did the shooting.

DM involved others (CN) while MS was not directly involved in the cover up at all times. I don't think MS would be home while DM took the risk of hiding the truck at his moms, if DM didn't feel this was his murder to cover up.

I also put some weight on the fact that DM has been charged with shooting his dad. Just reinforces that DM is capable of pulling the trigger.

Not sure I should be factoring in WM's death, but I felt it was needed to make sense of the motive, and who pulled the trigger.

I expect the texts between (DM and CN), and (MS and MM) to shed some light on the motive, and also show why both men are charged with first degree.

MOO

:goodpost::cheers:

Yes, I agree that this crime has DM written all over it, for the most part, and for the reasons you stated. I can't quite come to a decision about MS's involvement but I agree that the next week or two will settle any lingering doubts about that for me and perhaps others too, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Wednesday.

ETA: Legal arguments scheduled for tomorrow without the jury present of course.

Thank you Ma'am.