Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

:dance: I just returned from Boulder, where I was visiting my stepdaughter, who works with the DA, County Commissioners, etc. I emailed her ahead of time, saying to tell them that her ace-detective stepmom was coming to town and has cracked the Ramsey case.

The gentleman she told just rolled his eyes and said, "Yeah, her, and all the other crazies." :waitasec:

In all the photos I have seen of the Ramsey house, it looks like it is set far back from the street. But in person, the house is close to the street - and close to the houses next door.

An intruder would have to be awful gutsy to break into that place without fear of being seen or heard by the neighbors - especially on Christmas, when, typically, houses and neighborhoods are plum full of company.

(By the way: Burke did it.)

 

[myzzy]

i have followed the case over the years as i can so i'm quite sure this has been thrown out there but is it possible that maybe the 2 children where sneaking around the house that night and BR startinf making advances on JBR ( yes i know he was quite young but its not improbable). When she started to struggle to get away from him he started to get rough with her he forced himself upon her, when she was able to get away she fell and hit something hard enough on the ground ( a bowling ball/brick ect) causing her wounds and BR started panicing and started to stage the scene himself? Parents shortly came down and finish the staging to protect him? how far fetch ??? it could explain some of the inconsitancies

 

[Tadpole12]

Leave kids out of beauty pageants
Herald Sun
October 09, 2010

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad-ap...-beauty-pageants/story-fn6bn88w-1225936496771


But no, Toddlers and Tiaras show child beauty pageants are going strong. In fact they are worth about $5 billion a year in the US alone.




JonBenet Truths Might Still Be Told
Huffington Post
October 7, 2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-alan-silverman/jonbenet-truths-might-sti_b_754648.html


One big change is in the people putting together the puzzle. Mary Lacy is no longer the Boulder DA and neither is her predecessor, Alex Hunter. They made a mess of the matter. Do you remember Hunter and his odd musings with tabloid reporters, and Lacy's dogged pursuit of an obvious fraud, John Mark Karr?
Mary Lacy, distrusting Boulder PD's theories, took the extraordinary step of taking the case investigation away from the Boulder Police Department in 2002. In 2008, shortly before leaving office; Lacy publicly exonerated the entire Ramsey family.
Lacy is gone now. The Boulder Police have had the case back since February, 2009. The current Boulder Police Chief is Mark Beckner. It was then Commander Mark Beckner who famously announced to the world on December 5, 1997, that the Ramseys "remain under an umbrella of suspicion."
It was Boulder DA Stan Garnett who, in 2009, gave the case back to Beckner and the Boulder PD. I have known Stan since we worked together as Denver prosecutors in the 1980's. Stan, less than two years into his first term as Boulder DA, is running for Colorado Attorney General. Stan likes the spotlight and has strong ambitions. Nothing could catapult a career like solving America's most enduring crime mystery.
Stan Garnett has been talking to the media, including the September 14 edition of our award winning Caplis and Silverman radio show. When asked "Have you ruled the Ramseys out?" Boulder DA Stan Garnett said "I'm not going to comment on that." Now that is interesting, especially in light of Garnett and Lacy further sniping at each other in the media.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I am so glad that Stan Garnett refused to comment. I guess this more than anything else right now gives me hope that JonBenet may see justice yet.

 

[Roy23]

The pendulum is swinging back even now, Roy. Anyone can see that. The focus does seem to have shifted, all right.



I'm puzzled as to how anyone can say it shows that at all.

Dave,

You think the focus is shifting back to the Ramsey's because of the interviews? I think eventually you will all find out that JBR got a piece of her killer under her fingernails. Yeah, I know what all the different articles say. I will discuss it when we hear something else cause now it won't do any good.

The question I am gonna have is that when they do arrest a stranger perp are you guys gonna still be lynching the Ramsey's because you dug in so deep? Or are you gonna have disdain for the media and others for misleading you so bad? It is no excuse and that includes myself as well.

 

[BBB167893]

Dave,

You think the focus is shifting back to the Ramsey's because of the interviews?

That's only one of several things that make me think that. The article from the Daily Beast is a good indicator.

I think eventually you will all find out that JBR got a piece of her killer under her fingernails.

I sincerely doubt it. That's one of Lou Smit's leftovers, and incidentally, IDI can't even get that part straight. First, you claim that JB fought her killer, scratching both him and herself, which is physically and scientifically impossible. THEN, practically in the same breath, you claim that JB could not have fought her attacker because she was stungunned and because the ropes on her hands were real and effective and not just staging, both of which are directly contradicted by the autopsy report and the photo evidence.

Now, you tell me: between the two of us, who is being unreasonable?

Yeah, I know what all the different articles say.

Could have fooled me, mate.

I will discuss it when we hear something else cause now it won't do any good.

You say that as if it were our fault, and not because of the weakness of your own position.

The question I am gonna have is that when they do arrest a stranger perp are you guys gonna still be lynching the Ramsey's because you dug in so deep?

WHEN? Don't hold your breath.

As as for that "lynching" guff, you're just wasting time with that. Not only is it an insult to the people on this forum who have done and continue to do the very most they can to actually get some justice, but it's also an insult to the REAL victim in this case AND to those who really have been lynched in the bargain.

Or are you gonna have disdain for the media and others for misleading you so bad? It is no excuse and that includes myself as well.

I make no excuses. Don't need any.

Do I make myself clear?

See you over at the "Prior Vaginal Trauma" thread, Roy. I'm interested in what you have to say about that. You have something you think is a smoking gun. So do I.

 

[cynic]

I think eventually you will all find out that JBR got a piece of her killer under her fingernails.

This has been repeatedly refuted, and yet you continue to mention it
I’ll let you know, again, why it’s not true.
We were told specifically that there was no flesh or blood under JBR’s fingernails by LE.
Add to that JBR’s propensity to not wash her hands.
Add to that the further revelation that the coroner was known to use the same clippers between nails and even on prior decedants.
Finally, we were further told by Lou Smit, in a deposition, that the DNA from her fingernails revealed only two markers.
Feel free to ask any DNA expert what the relevance of two markers is.
What then, exactly, is the piece of the killer under her fingernails?

 

[Roy23]

This has been repeatedly refuted, and yet you continue to mention it
I’ll let you know, again, why it’s not true.
We were told specifically that there was no flesh or blood under JBR’s fingernails by LE.
Add to that JBR’s propensity to not wash her hands.
Add to that the further revelation that the coroner was known to use the same clippers between nails and even on prior decedants.
Finally, we were further told by Lou Smit, in a deposition, that the DNA from her fingernails revealed only two markers.
Feel free to ask any DNA expert what the relevance of two markers is.
What then, exactly, is the piece of the killer under her fingernails?

I hear ya Cynic. But there are also reports that state that there is a DNA match between what was under the fingernails and all the other DNA. I think we can all agree that there is improper reporting going on in this case. I have heard everything under the sun from match, degradation, to only a few markers about this.

 

[Roy23]

That's only one of several things that make me think that. The article from the Daily Beast is a good indicator.



I sincerely doubt it. That's one of Lou Smit's leftovers, and incidentally, IDI can't even get that part straight. First, you claim that JB fought her killer, scratching both him and herself, which is physically and scientifically impossible. THEN, practically in the same breath, you claim that JB could not have fought her attacker because she was stungunned and because the ropes on her hands were real and effective and not just staging, both of which are directly contradicted by the autopsy report and the photo evidence.

Now, you tell me: between the two of us, who is being unreasonable?



Could have fooled me, mate.



You say that as if it were our fault, and not because of the weakness of your own position.



WHEN? Don't hold your breath.

As as for that "lynching" guff, you're just wasting time with that. Not only is it an insult to the people on this forum who have done and continue to do the very most they can to actually get some justice, but it's also an insult to the REAL victim in this case AND to those who really have been lynched in the bargain.



I make no excuses. Don't need any.

Do I make myself clear?

See you over at the "Prior Vaginal Trauma" thread, Roy. I'm interested in what you have to say about that. You have something you think is a smoking gun. So do I.

There is only one smoking gun mate. Don't worry, LE will spell it all out sooner or later. I will go over and read your thread later.

 

[cynic]

I hear ya Cynic. But there are also reports that state that there is a DNA match between what was under the fingernails and all the other DNA. I think we can all agree that there is improper reporting going on in this case. I have heard everything under the sun from match, degradation, to only a few markers about this.

Any contrary opinion to what I have stated can be sourced exclusively to individuals employed by the Ramseys. As a matter of fact, there are specifically 3 people:
Ollie Gray, John San Augustin, (two Ramsey PI’s) and Lin Wood.
Lou Smit in a deposition and multiple sources from LE including Steve Thomas are the sources for what I have said.
Other than pure spin from the Ramsey camp, I have not seen anything from either the DA’s office or LE to back up your assertion with respect to the fingernail DNA

"When Meyer clipped the nails of each finger, no blood or tissue was found that would indicate a struggle. He used the same clippers for all the fingers, although doing so created an issue of cross-contamination. For optimal DNA purposes, separate and sterile clippers should have been used for each finger. Furthermore, we later learned that the coroner's office sometimes used the same clippers on different autopsy subjects."
Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation" – Pg. 41

Bob Grant, a former Adams County DA who helped investigate JonBenet’s death….
There were also DNA traces found under the child’s fingernails, but they were degraded and tests were inconclusive, Grant said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14441778/

 

[BBB167893]

But there are also reports that state that there is a DNA match between what was under the fingernails and all the other DNA.

None from sources that I'd consider trustworthy.

I think we can all agree that there is improper reporting going on in this case.

You're darn right!

There is only one smoking gun mate.

How right you are!

Don't worry, LE will spell it all out sooner or later.

Maybe. I'm not holding my breath.

I will go over and read your thread later.

Sa ya there.

 

[Mysteeri]

Brand new, never washed too large panties from which touch DNA could have easily been deposited by a factory worker, someone who's DNA wouldn't be in a database!

The touch DNA was on the outside of her longjohns, I suppose that a secondary transfer from the panties is possible.

I don`t see how anything has changed in this case concerning RDI/IDI because of Burke`s interview, cause there`s no info on what it was about. Or is there? The interview would be a must to do anyway if serious about re-investigating the case. The interview could also be about some new or overlooked information or person of interest that is/was associated to the R`s.

Edit. From the Daily Beast article: The Boulder police chief, Mark Beckner, is keeping his cards close to his vest. "We continue to work the Ramsey case,” he said in a statement. “This has included additional contacts and interviews with those who may have information pertinent to the case. In adhering to our earlier position, we are not going to publicly reveal details about the investigation unless doing so would further the needs of the investigation.”

Ok, we`ll have to stick with that.

 

[Roy23]

None from sources that I'd consider trustworthy.



You're darn right!



How right you are!



Maybe. I'm not holding my breath.



Sa ya there.

I see. You and Cynic both believe that Ramsey spin is polluting the media I gather. I have seen this fingernail stuff on what most would consider reputable media but I get your points on it. I think I am a reasonable person for the most part. Tell me or show me recent articles or statements that truly make you think that LE doesn't put any stock in the DNA.

It seems to me that the DNA is the whole case. We will never agree on whether this DNA was transferred secondarily. I have read much of your stuff on that Cynic but we just are not gonna agree until there is a final conclusion on it. Secondary transfer of touch DNA is certainly possible but to me it doesn't add up. I just have to think Bode knows what kind of transference it was based on what they found, whether it be lots and lots of cells or just their opinon based on what tests they did.

Anyhow, what do you guys have to make me think guys still working this case believe that a Ramsey is involved and the DNA is just more of a nuisance than it is evidence?

 

[cynic]

I have seen this fingernail stuff on what most would consider reputable media

Let's see your cards, I've show you mine.
Where are your quotes and or sources?

 

[BBB167893]

I see. You and Cynic both believe that Ramsey spin is polluting the media I gather.

I can't speak for cynic. But as for myself, you bet. That's exactly what I believe.

I have seen this fingernail stuff on what most would consider reputable media but I get your points on it.

Glad to hear it.

Anyhow, what do you guys have to make me think guys still working this case believe that a Ramsey is involved and the DNA is just more of a nuisance than it is evidence?

Call it a strong hunch based on what appears to be a pattern of actions.

If nothing else, for the first time in almost eight years, it seems like the people working this case are actually WORKING this case and not pushing an agenda. I happen to think that in and of itself will lead to more focus on the Rs.

 

[cynic]

I can't speak for cynic. But as for myself, you bet. That's exactly what I believe.

Consider yourself to be speaking for me in this instance.

 

[Tadpole12]

Radar online,
Oct 04, 2010
JonBenet Ramsey's Brother To Be Interviewed Again By Police.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/10/jonbenet-ramseys-brother-be-interviewed-again-police


Burke, now 23, was 9-years-old when the child beauty queen was found dead in December 1996 at the family’s Boulder, Colorado home. He was cleared of any wrongdoing by authorities in 1999, nine years before the rest of his family was exonerated.

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/10/04/new-interviews-being-conducted-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder/

Mark Fuhrman Oct. 4th 2010

 

[BBB167893]

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/10/04/new-interviews-being-conducted-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder/

Mark Fuhrman Oct. 4th 2010

And THAT is why I nominate Mark Fuhrman for the Policeman's Hall of Fame!

 

[Roy23]

Let's see your cards, I've show you mine.
Where are your quotes and or sources?

I am not gonna get in a pissing contest over this cause at one time or another just about every news source has mention degradation of fingernail DNA and a match on fingernail DNA. It has been on CNN and just about everywhere so look it up. Here is a few that I am sure you will discredit.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210582,00.html

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon101799.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/04/07/48hours/main42058.shtml