Brainstorming Ron's flurry of phone calls

[CN2Souls]

Sorry to bump this but wanted to put this in the right thread.
If this need to go somewhere else please move it.
Just today, a case we were working on was busted wide open,
A man, who murdered his wife, just admitted this. It is away to set your phone somewhere and have it look like you were at that location the whole time when really only your cell phone was there.
Cell phones can be put on auto redial the last number you dialed to.
You tell the person to whom phone you are calling to turn off their phone so it will not register that the call was answered. And place the call again.
In addition, it pings the tower then continue dialing over and over until you stop it.
This may explain RC 90 calls

 

[Kat]

I'm not going to argue the number of callsthat Art H. says were on RC's phone.

I have no way of knowing how accurate his sources are, and they may be accurate or inaccurate.

I am at this time going to defer to a respected media source for the number.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090923/ARTICLES/909231001
Last Modified: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 1:55 a.m.

..[phone records show her dad tried to reach the woman caring for the 5-year-old Putnam County girl at least 20 times.


When Ronald Cummings could not reach Misty Croslin-Cummings, who was then his girlfriend and now his wife, he called her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., and asked him to check on the family, law enforcement officials say...<snipped out a few sentences to comply with TOS>
...

...Those new details about the investigation into the February disappearance of Haleigh were confirmed Tuesday by Rick Ryan, the chief of staff of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office....

The article goes on to talk about ToC being interviewed.

 

[Quiche]

Sorry to bump this but wanted to put this in the right thread.
If this need to go somewhere else please move it.
Just today, a case we were working on was busted wide open,
A man, who murdered his wife, just admitted this. It is away to set your phone somewhere and have it look like you were at that location the whole time when really only your cell phone was there.
Cell phones can be put on auto redial the last number you dialed to.
You tell the person to whom phone you are calling to turn off their phone so it will not register that the call was answered. And place the call again.
In addition, it pings the tower then continue dialing over and over until you stop it.
This may explain RC 90 calls

This makes sense to me, where the idea of Ron at work actually dialing obsessively does not. Thanks!

 

[seeking truth]

Didn't Kimball and Snyder say they referred him to another lawyer who had experience in unlawful dismissal cases or something? I haven't heard that anything ever came of it. Wonder if he ever contacted another lawyer or if it was just PR.

I'd guess that this was just to look good.

I don't think that Ron ever wanted to return to PDM, just as he never wanted to return to the home where he lived with HaLeigh. He wasn't even able to make a call to them, as attested to by an executive who spoke briefly, stating that they never heard from Ron once HaLeigh was reported missing.

I believe that there are witnesses from PDM who will be testifying against Ronald L. Cummings, when this goes to trial. They can more than likely testify to when they saw hm that day, night, and early morning, when they did NOT see him, if and when he was on the phone, and anything else they may have noticed about his demeanor during whatever hours he was at work on February 9 and 10, 2009.

The last thing Ron wanted (or wants now) was/is anyone talking to PDM; lawyers or the media.

My opinion

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I'm not going to argue the number of callsthat Art H. says were on RC's phone.

I have no way of knowing how accurate his sources are, and they may be accurate or inaccurate.

I am at this time going to defer to a respected media source for the number.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090923/ARTICLES/909231001
Last Modified: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 1:55 a.m.



The article goes on to talk about ToC being interviewed.

..[phone records show her dad tried to reach the woman caring for the 5-year-old Putnam County girl at least 20 times.


When Ronald Cummings could not reach Misty Croslin-Cummings, who was then his girlfriend and now his wife, he called her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., and asked him to check on the family, law enforcement officials say...<snipped out a few sentences to comply with TOS>
...

...Those new details about the investigation into the February disappearance of Haleigh were confirmed Tuesday by Rick Ryan, the chief of staff of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office....



Well either Ron Cummings is lying or LE is lying because Ron said it never happened, he never asked him anything except is misty there.

 

[elle1919]

..[phone records show her dad tried to reach the woman caring for the 5-year-old Putnam County girl at least 20 times.


When Ronald Cummings could not reach Misty Croslin-Cummings, who was then his girlfriend and now his wife, he called her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., and asked him to check on the family, law enforcement officials say...<snipped out a few sentences to comply with TOS>
...

...Those new details about the investigation into the February disappearance of Haleigh were confirmed Tuesday by Rick Ryan, the chief of staff of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office....



Well either Ron Cummings is lying or LE is lying because Ron said it never happened, he never asked him anything except is misty there.

Maybe no-one is lying and the media made a boo boo. It doesn't seem such a far reach to think there may have been something misreported on, in my opinion it was done more than a few times in this case.

 

[Kat]

..[phone records show her dad tried to reach the woman caring for the 5-year-old Putnam County girl at least 20 times.


When Ronald Cummings could not reach Misty Croslin-Cummings, who was then his girlfriend and now his wife, he called her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., and asked him to check on the family, law enforcement officials say...<snipped out a few sentences to comply with TOS>
...

...Those new details about the investigation into the February disappearance of Haleigh were confirmed Tuesday by Rick Ryan, the chief of staff of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office....



Well either Ron Cummings is lying or LE is lying because Ron said it never happened, he never asked him anything except is misty there.

Dr. F that caught my eye too. Then I went back and reread the article more closely.

...Ryan said phone records show that Ronald Cummings made 20 attempts to reach Misty during the evening of Feb. 9. Hank Croslin, who lived down the street, told investigators Cummings asked him to check on Misty, Haleigh and Cummings' 3-year-old son, Ronald Cummings Jr., who Cummings believed were all at the mobile home where they lived as a family.

I think that's very poor paragraph construction by the reporter IMHO.

I think that the first sentence is what Ryan stated about the phone records.

Then the next sentence discusses what ToC (hank) told the investigators.

Could it have been that Ryan was relating new details that ToC gave in his interview at that time?

If not it doesn't look good that RC denied that JMHO.

 

[elle1919]

When Shoemaker was asked about the phone call by RC that night he explained it this way:

GRACE: OK. To Terry Shoemaker. This is the attorney for Ronald Cummings, Haleigh`s father. What does he have to say about this revelation?

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR HALEIGH`S FATHER, RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, he`s kind of shocked that Misty`s brother went over there that evening. He said all along that he did call the house of Hank Jr. and asked him whether or not Misty was there. But he doesn`t -- he`s never said that he asked them to go look for her. He just asked if she was over there. And that was at about 9:00. So I think Hank Jr.`s timeline is a little off.

GRACE: Well, it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, Mr. Shoemaker.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So I`m not exactly sure that anybody knows what time it is in Satsuma, Florida the night Haleigh went missing.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So he does say that he called the brother and asked him was Misty there?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He didn`t specifically call Hank Jr.`s cell phone. He called the house of Hank -- Hank Jr. and his family. And that was at.

GRACE: Did he talk to the brother?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t know who he spoke with. I know that when we were speaking with FDLE that a call came up and they questioned him about it and he said he called to ask if Misty was at their house at that time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/21/ng.01.html

The article above seems to quote Rick Ryan, chief of staff at PCSO. Terry Shoemaker states the original conversation about the phone records was with the FDLE.

 

[Maven2379]

When Shoemaker was asked about the phone call by RC that night he explained it this way:

GRACE: OK. To Terry Shoemaker. This is the attorney for Ronald Cummings, Haleigh`s father. What does he have to say about this revelation?

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR HALEIGH`S FATHER, RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, he`s kind of shocked that Misty`s brother went over there that evening. He said all along that he did call the house of Hank Jr. and asked him whether or not Misty was there. But he doesn`t -- he`s never said that he asked them to go look for her. He just asked if she was over there. And that was at about 9:00. So I think Hank Jr.`s timeline is a little off.

GRACE: Well, it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, Mr. Shoemaker.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So I`m not exactly sure that anybody knows what time it is in Satsuma, Florida the night Haleigh went missing.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So he does say that he called the brother and asked him was Misty there?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He didn`t specifically call Hank Jr.`s cell phone. He called the house of Hank -- Hank Jr. and his family. And that was at.

GRACE: Did he talk to the brother?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t know who he spoke with. I know that when we were speaking with FDLE that a call came up and they questioned him about it and he said he called to ask if Misty was at their house at that time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/21/ng.01.html

The article above seems to quote Rick Ryan, chief of staff at PCSO. Terry Shoemaker states the original conversation about the phone records was with the FDLE.

What I find odd is that Ron admits to calling the "house of Hank Jr" but doesn't tell who he spoke with. I wonder why Shoemaker doesn't know, or doesn't seem to want to say who Ron talked to. If Lindsy was at school, and Hank Sr. and Lisa were at the hospital, it leaves Tommy as the only one left that he could have spoken to, unless one of the kids answered or there was someone else at the house that night. If Ron talked to Tommy that night why not just say so.

 

[greenbean]

I'd guess that this was just to look good.

I don't think that Ron ever wanted to return to PDM, just as he never wanted to return to the home where he lived with HaLeigh. He wasn't even able to make a call to them, as attested to by an executive who spoke briefly, stating that they never heard from Ron once HaLeigh was reported missing.

I believe that there are witnesses from PDM who will be testifying against Ronald L. Cummings, when this goes to trial. They can more than likely testify to when they saw hm that day, night, and early morning, when they did NOT see him, if and when he was on the phone, and anything else they may have noticed about his demeanor during whatever hours he was at work on February 9 and 10, 2009.

The last thing Ron wanted (or wants now) was/is anyone talking to PDM; lawyers or the media.

My opinion

It continues to amaze me that no one from PDM has spoken about this to anyone. I wonder why?

 

[elle1919]

What I find odd is that Ron admits to calling the "house of Hank Jr" but doesn't tell who he spoke with. I wonder why Shoemaker doesn't know, or doesn't seem to want to say who Ron talked to. If Lindsy was at school, and Hank Sr. and Lisa were at the hospital, it leaves Tommy as the only one left that he could have spoken to, unless one of the kids answered or there was someone else at the house that night. If Ron talked to Tommy that night why not just say so.

Good point, if it was around 9pm that the phone call was placed, maybe Lyndsy was home by then, maybe Joe was at the home, or maybe FDLE was just more concerned with why he called over there and not with who he talked to. OR, TS didn't want to voice who RC spoke with and then be wrong about it if he truly didn't know.

 

[elle1919]

It continues to amaze me that no one from PDM has spoken about this to anyone. I wonder why?

Hi there greenbean!

In my opinion it is for the same reason we have no info on the AC Repairman, directly related to LE investigation and key witnesses have been asked not to speak with the media.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Hi there greenbean!

In my opinion it is for the same reason we have no info on the AC Repairman, directly related to LE investigation and key witnesses have been asked not to speak with the media.

Surely the AC man was there before dark.

Why isn't the time line moved back to when he was there or did he not see Haleigh?

 

[seeking truth]

Maybe no-one is lying and the media made a boo boo. It doesn't seem such a far reach to think there may have been something misreported on, in my opinion it was done more than a few times in this case.

What I have always found to be strange is that Shoemaker stated that Ron DID call Tommy that night to ask about Misty but that Ron did NOT ask Tommy to go the house to check on her, and (in the minds of most of us, I would think) to check on the well-being of his children.

Why would the attorney feel the need to state this? If it is true, it makes Ron look negligent. If it is a lie, than what is being covered up?

My thoughts and questions concerning that phone call.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

What I have always found to be strange is that Shoemaker stated that Ron DID call Tommy that night to ask about Misty but that Ron did NOT ask Tommy to go the house to check on her, and (in the minds of most of us, I would think) to check on the well-being of his children.

Why would the attorney feel the need to state this? If it is true, it makes Ron look negligent. If it is a lie, than what is being covered up?

My thoughts and questions concerning that phone call.

Well he knows the police have a record of a call from Ron to the house and it must have showed some minutes.

I think he is denying it because he never told the police about it.

 

[elle1919]

What I have always found to be strange is that Shoemaker stated that Ron DID call Tommy that night to ask about Misty but that Ron did NOT ask Tommy to go the house to check on her, and (in the minds of most of us, I would think) to check on the well-being of his children.

Why would the attorney feel the need to state this? If it is true, it makes Ron look negligent. If it is a lie, than what is being covered up?

My thoughts and questions concerning that phone call.

I can understand that and agree that under normal circumstances if someone wasn't answering the phone at my home and I was worried, I might ask for the nearest friend or relative to go and check on them. But considering who the nearest friend or relative was and the history of that person, I can see why RC wouldn't want to send that particular relative over there as well.

 

[Maven2379]

Good point, if it was around 9pm that the phone call was placed, maybe Lyndsy was home by then, maybe Joe was at the home, or maybe FDLE was just more concerned with why he called over there and not with who he talked to. OR, TS didn't want to voice who RC spoke with and then be wrong about it if he truly didn't know.

I think the FDLE would have been interested in exactly who he spoke to, especially since at that time Tommy was saying that Ron asked him to go check on her, and when he got there it appeared no one was home. If Lindsy was there and answered then she was aware that Tommy was lying for a while now.

Why does everything in this case have to be so complicated! :banghead:

What if Misty was there and she answered the phone?

 

[elle1919]

Surely the AC man was there before dark.

Why isn't the time line moved back to when he was there or did he not see Haleigh?

Another great question. I am wondering if he did indeed see children playing( since it is reported that Tommy was there with the his kids at the same time) but couldn't for sure say if one of the children he saw was Haleigh.

 

[debs]

I can understand that and agree that under normal circumstances if someone wasn't answering the phone at my home and I was worried, I might ask for the nearest friend or relative to go and check on them. But considering who the nearest friend or relative was and the history of that person, I can see why RC wouldn't want to send that particular relative over there as well.

Then why call that person? If Ron thought that Tommy was so unsavory, why not once again rely upon his own family to drive over and check on the children? We have an established multi-generational concern going on: TN calls her mother to go check on the children. That's a lot of concern. I know that when my granddaughter is at her home, I don't feel compelled to drive past and wave, or even send over another relative with the laundry (which was a different story from the original, which was TN saying she sent over a family member to check on the kids, but whatever).

 

[elle1919]

Then why call that person? If Ron thought that Tommy was so unsavory, why not once again rely upon his own family to drive over and check on the children? We have an established multi-generational concern going on: TN calls her mother to go check on the children. That's a lot of concern. I know that when my granddaughter is at her home, I don't feel compelled to drive past and wave, or even send over another relative with the laundry (which was a different story from the original, which was TN saying she sent over a family member to check on the kids, but whatever).

Bold by me....it is my opinion that RC might have been calling to see if Misty was at 116 Tyler, not for the purpose of asking someone to go to his residence.