Brainstorming Ron's flurry of phone calls

[OneLove]

It continues to amaze me that no one from PDM has spoken about this to anyone. I wonder why?

With this bunch, if I were a PDM employee with information pertinent to this case, I'd be terrified that I could meet with an "unfortunate accident" before testifying in court, KWIM?

(someone) being locked up would NOT give me any comfort or sense of safety, not as long as he has any living relatives or drugbiz partners walking free.

 

[debs]

Bold by me....it is my opinion that RC might have been calling to see if Misty was at 116 Tyler, not for the purpose of asking someone to go to his residence.

That's fine; I'll fly with that. But once given the answer that "no, she's not here." which is what Tommy asserts, the follow-up question isn't asked, and in fact is denied having ever been asked (even if Tommy says it was): "Hey, would you mind running down the street and seeing what's up? I've been trying to call her and am not getting any answer."

If one is so concerned to find out where someone is, it is logical to ask that question, make that request, yet we have Ron's lawyer denying it ever happened, and I for one need a logical answer to that, and saying that Tommy's reputation was prohibitive for Ron doesn't wash for me, given the lack of any seeming problem with him being at the wedding and later on, in the drug deals.

Doesn't fly with me, and something stinks in Satsuma, and I don't think it's residual oil slick smell floating in from the Gulf.

 

[seeking truth]

When Shoemaker was asked about the phone call by RC that night he explained it this way:

GRACE: OK. To Terry Shoemaker. This is the attorney for Ronald Cummings, Haleigh`s father. What does he have to say about this revelation?

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR HALEIGH`S FATHER, RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, he`s kind of shocked that Misty`s brother went over there that evening. He said all along that he did call the house of Hank Jr. and asked him whether or not Misty was there. But he doesn`t -- he`s never said that he asked them to go look for her. He just asked if she was over there. And that was at about 9:00. So I think Hank Jr.`s timeline is a little off.

GRACE: Well, it sounds like everybody has a very, let me just say, shifting timeline, Mr. Shoemaker.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So I`m not exactly sure that anybody knows what time it is in Satsuma, Florida the night Haleigh went missing.

SHOEMAKER: Right.

GRACE: So he does say that he called the brother and asked him was Misty there?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He didn`t specifically call Hank Jr.`s cell phone. He called the house of Hank -- Hank Jr. and his family. And that was at.

GRACE: Did he talk to the brother?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t know who he spoke with. I know that when we were speaking with FDLE that a call came up and they questioned him about it and he said he called to ask if Misty was at their house at that time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/21/ng.01.html

The article above seems to quote Rick Ryan, chief of staff at PCSO. Terry Shoemaker states the original conversation about the phone records was with the FDLE.

(Highlighting in Dark Green by me).

Thanks for putting this up, Elle1919. It is so ridiculous for this attorney to state that he doesn't know WHO Ron talked to when calling Tommy's house. Is this another case of "I don't know, Miz Nancy, I didn't ask [him]"?

Why in the world are they (Ron and attorney) insisting that Ron didn't ask Tommy to go and check on the girl who was in charge of his children? Are they just forgetting how bad this makes Ron look or are they forgetting that the truth is, Misty wasn't watching the children at this time, and that it WAS just Misty's whereabouts that concerned Ron at that time?

Are they also forgetting that it is an absolute lie that Ron had been saying "all along" that he called Tommy's house? This only came out because of the very recent meeting Ron and his attorney had just attended with LE to go over phone records. I guess this was the best explanation they could come up with, considering Tommy had stated he went to check on Misty (and presummedly the kids) and found the house dark and quiet, with no answer to his continued knocking.

Lies always create chaos and confusion. Personally, I don't think anything was all that complicated that night. Horrible, yes, but I believe the most simple explanation, the one that fits with all we have to observe, is that Ron Cummings somehow killed HaLeigh, Misty probably witnessed it, Teresa and Annette were called in and a plan was made to cover the crime. Ron, off to work for an alibi, Misty says she was asleep, and they hid HaLeigh's body to protect Ron.

Misty was always going to be the fall-girl if their lies weren't believed. In the meantime, keep Misty believing she is somehow responsible for Ron's anger and subsequent harm of Haleigh and embrace her as one of their own ~ to cover THEIR collective rear ends. These people have been reacting to each new development in the lives of Ron and Misty, and with each new investigatory revelation that becomes public, they construct some ridiculous story to try and account for the evolving facts.

Strip away the hype and it is all a sad and simple crime, I believe.

Just my OPINIONS.

 

[elle1919]

That's fine; I'll fly with that. But once given the answer that "no, she's not here." which is what Tommy asserts, the follow-up question isn't asked, and in fact is denied having ever been asked (even if Tommy says it was): "Hey, would you mind running down the street and seeing what's up? I've been trying to call her and am not getting any answer."

If one is so concerned to find out where someone is, it is logical to ask that question, make that request, yet we have Ron's lawyer denying it ever happened, and I for one need a logical answer to that, and saying that Tommy's reputation was prohibitive for Ron doesn't wash for me, given the lack of any seeming problem with him being at the wedding and later on, in the drug deals.

Doesn't fly with me, and something stinks in Satsuma, and I don't think it's residual oil slick smell floating in from the Gulf.

I wish I had some logical answers for you, lol.....I just don't. All I can do is base my opinions on what the players in this case have stated at one time or another and they seem to be mostly lies and half truths so I truly can't find logic in anything.

I am editing my post to remove my speculation about the wedding because it is very off topic.

 

[seeking truth]

I can understand that and agree that under normal circumstances if someone wasn't answering the phone at my home and I was worried, I might ask for the nearest friend or relative to go and check on them. But considering who the nearest friend or relative was and the history of that person, I can see why RC wouldn't want to send that particular relative over there as well.

Nothing points to Ron and Tommy having a problem before this. Ron called him looking for Misty. If, as you state, Ron wouldn't want Tommy to check (why not, he was with her earlier at Ron's house?) then why wouldn't this father have called his family members to ask them to check on his children? Why wouldn't he call LE for a welfare check on his two young children? Why wouldn't he tell his boss there was a family concern and go check for himself?

When it doesn't add up then it is probably a lie. There is nothing redeeming in this. I am still puzzled why you think that Ron had any problem with Tommy before HaLeigh went missing.

Just my thoughts

 

[LuLa]

Sorry to bump this but wanted to put this in the right thread.
If this need to go somewhere else please move it.
Just today, a case we were working on was busted wide open,
A man, who murdered his wife, just admitted this. It is away to set your phone somewhere and have it look like you were at that location the whole time when really only your cell phone was there.
Cell phones can be put on auto redial the last number you dialed to.
You tell the person to whom phone you are calling to turn off their phone so it will not register that the call was answered. And place the call again.
In addition, it pings the tower then continue dialing over and over until you stop it.
This may explain RC 90 calls

How often will the phone redial a number? So many minutes apart or what?

 

[seeking truth]

It continues to amaze me that no one from PDM has spoken about this to anyone. I wonder why?

I am guessing that they have been asked not to speak with the media or anyone by PCSO, by FDLE, by the FBI, and by the District Attorney's office. And, maybe they are honorable people.

 

[debs]

How often will the phone redial a number? So many minutes apart or what?

I just checked mine, and the auto redial can be set for every 10, 30, or 60 seconds.

 

[LuLa]

Good point, if it was around 9pm that the phone call was placed, maybe Lyndsy was home by then, maybe Joe was at the home, or maybe FDLE was just more concerned with why he called over there and not with who he talked to. OR, TS didn't want to voice who RC spoke with and then be wrong about it if he truly didn't know.

Lindsey says she got home around 10:00-10:15 that night.

 

[LuLa]

I just checked mine, and the auto redial can be set for every 10, 30, or 60 seconds.

Thank you. I just checked mine, & I only have the option of On or Off. When I clicked On it didn't give me further options. My phone must not be as fancy.

I would think LE would find it extremely suspicious if the calls were exactly every 60 seconds, but maybe Ronald didn't think of that.

 

[elle1919]

Lindsey says she got home around 10:00-10:15 that night.

Not to be argumentative but Lyndsy said a lot of things and I don't think all of them were true. JMO

 

[LuLa]

Grace60, Misty did say that but I can't remember where, I wanna say the voice stress test. I could be wrong about that but Misty did say that. Can some please provide us with a link? tia

You're right. It was the Voice Analysis testing.

 

[LuLa]

In an article that was released about the 20 phone calls, wasn't it said the calls were made in about a 45 minute timeframe? Does anyone else remember this?

Whether it's 90 or 20, both are a lot of phone calls IMO.

 

[Baxter]

With this bunch, if I were a PDM employee with information pertinent to this case, I'd be terrified that I could meet with an "unfortunate accident" before testifying in court, KWIM?

(someone) being locked up would NOT give me any comfort or sense of safety, not as long as he has any living relatives or drugbiz partners walking free.

Are you being serious or is this a joke?
If you are serious, do you think RC is in the mafia?

 

[dodie20]

well, since Tommy has recanted the reason for the phone call, I doubt that's what they talked about.(if they even talked), Tommy may not have been home. During this time, were they all friendly & back on speaking terms? Because after the gun incident, why would Ron be calling Tommy? I woud think that after that, Ron wouldn't have wanted Misty running with Joe or anyone he was running with-namely Tommy. & after all of this...why were they trafficking drugs together? I don't get it.

 

[Bathbuddys]

Why can't we have these records? We have Casey's cell phone records.. isn't it part of the sunshine law, that the public can have this stuff? They live in the same state so why do the same rules not apply.. has anyone tried putting in a public records request? I wanna know who he was calling!

NOT TIL SOMEONE is arrested.... and that might just be never in the future...lol

 

[bessie]

In an article that was released about the 20 phone calls, wasn't it said the calls were made in about a 45 minute timeframe? Does anyone else remember this?

Whether it's 90 or 20, both are a lot of phone calls IMO.

I do remember something like that, Lula. I don't recall offhand if that was based on an actual statement, or we were speculating that they occurred between the time of "the argument" between R and M (8-ish) and 9:00 when Ron allegedly called Tommy to ask about Misty's whereabouts. It's a good question. I'll dig around a bit and see what I can find.

 

[suspicious1]

well, since Tommy has recanted the reason for the phone call, I doubt that's what they talked about.(if they even talked), Tommy may not have been home. During this time, were they all friendly & back on speaking terms? Because after the gun incident, why would Ron be calling Tommy? I woud think that after that, Ron wouldn't have wanted Misty running with Joe or anyone he was running with-namely Tommy. & after all of this...why were they trafficking drugs together? I don't get it.

Dodie, I have been thinking about this and also do not understand what is goin' on here. I wonder if Misty had been at Tommy's house that evening?? The reason I ask this because to me it would make sense if Ron and Misty had a fight about babysitting (maybe Ron's kids:waitasec and when Misty stopped answering her phone, Ron's next move was just to call the house where Misty was at? Could that be the reason Ron called Tommy's house? I dunno...just a thought.

I remember once, my ex and I had an argument while he was at his sister's house. Well when he stopped answering his phone..I just decided to call his sister's house directly because I knew that's where he was although he wouldn't answer his cell.

 

[elle1919]

Dodie, I have been thinking about this and also do not understand what is goin' on here. I wonder if Misty had been at Tommy's house that evening?? The reason I ask this because to me it would make sense if Ron and Misty had a fight about babysitting (maybe Ron's kids:waitasec and when Misty stopped answering her phone, Ron's next move was just to call the house where Misty was at? Could that be the reason Ron called Tommy's house? I dunno...just a thought.

I remember once, my ex and I had an argument while he was at his sister's house. Well when he stopped answering his phone..I just decided to call his sister's house directly because I knew that's where he was although he wouldn't answer his cell.

I have been thinking about this too. Trying to fit all the pieces together(impossible) but if we consider the report that Misty had asked to babysit for someone else that night....and that was what precipitated the fight at 8:30...maybe RC thought she would be at 116 Tyler against his wishes.

 

[Skully]

The flurry of calls has always contradicted Ron's actions that night, so for me, there has to be something else going on here. I have never believed that the big fight was over babysitter someone else's kids that night. Misty left him stranded with the kids being gone 3 days, also if he had any feelings for her, he had to be so mad about the events of that weekend. I just don't see him calling all night, stewing about her actions and not answering the phone, to calmly go to the store and buy beer, nuts and cigarettes for Misty. How did he know what she wanted, or needed? Did he know she was out of smokes? Why an act of kindness in the mist of so much betrayal? This doesn't fit for me. This in of it's self has a piece missing somewhere. He gets a hold of Tommy, yet he and his lawyer are quick to announce he didn't ask Tommy to go over there. Why? Combine all this with the rat in the mailbox and it leaves you asking more questions.