Breaking news in the LISK case

[Just K]

Quick question: If your dog started frantically digging up a buried bit of material (bag), would you open it to see what was inside?

Every time I see a jumbo plastic bag on the side of the road, I expect to hear that someone found a body...Over the last two years, I have decided that I would never open a bag that I found either on the side of the road or in a wooded area.

 

[LINative13]

Along side the southern state parkway on Long Island. WHen you drive down it, you can see where the road crews leave bags of garbage. I alwyas think that one day the Manorville guy is going to leave them a surprise.

 

[carbuff]

It's not clear to me based on the media reports whether LE actually thinks the cases might be related, or whether the media are asking them whether it's related and LE really can't rule that out yet. The wording is a bit ambiguous.

And I suppose given the realities of the situation, they would be remiss in their investigation if they didn't look for connections first, then rule it out later.

 

[twocuriouscats]

Not exactly news, but I wanted to post it here anyway to remind us all why we keep coming back to this thread, despite our own frustrations.

http://archive.longislandpress.com/...-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

Hi MK,

Do you think if we contacted the families of the girls - they might spill their secrets? Especially since LE does not appear to be making any progress...I'm tempted to ask their Moms' and sisters...things that LE told them and then asked them to not repeat. I would hate to make them feel violated by asking - but I think they would understand that we are on the same team. Whatcha think?

 

[twocuriouscats]

Wow MK, did this come at the right time. I've been around here since only last summer. I have done pretty well with following cases that have ended tragically. I have gotten a little bummed but have bounced back. I'm in the middle of one case where I'm not liking things at all, the way they are going. I believe someone to be innocent who is not being treated as such and things that are allowed to be said to me are inappropriate. I just keep thinking if he's innocent, this is sooo wrong.

With that, I was over on other case of a little one who no one knows the outcome on, and I just lost it last night and I've been feeling the affects of it today. I'm been down all day. And I was thinking that maybe I need to take a break from all this because as you said, we are down in the trenches all the time, dealing with the worst in people. I've been doing a lot of soul searching today of why I'm here and what I'm accomplishing.

I needed this pep talk about how it gets to others, just so I don't feel so alone.

Thanks for that.

BBM

I say keep doing the footwork and leave the results up to God. That's all you can do. Bless your heart for taking on those emotions, but it won't help you or anybody. Turn it over to the creator. MOO. Peace Seajay.

 

[genericwhitemale]

Taking something like this, or any other case here or elsewhere, so personally seems silly to me. Don't get me wrong, I respect the fact you seemingly care as much as you do. But it just seems so unproductive for the soul to invest yourself that much. This is out of your hands. We're all held accountable for our actions in this life or afterwards. His day will come. In the meantime get out there and enjoy your life. If for no other reason than for those that no longer have that option.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It's not clear to me based on the media reports whether LE actually thinks the cases might be related, or whether the media are asking them whether it's related and LE really can't rule that out yet. The wording is a bit ambiguous.

And I suppose given the realities of the situation, they would be remiss in their investigation if they didn't look for connections first, then rule it out later.

I've missed you, Carbuff.

I'm off to look at the earliest msm reports one more time.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hi MK,

Do you think if we contacted the families of the girls - they might spill their secrets? Especially since LE does not appear to be making any progress...I'm tempted to ask their Moms' and sisters...things that LE told them and then asked them to not repeat. I would hate to make them feel violated by asking - but I think they would understand that we are on the same team. Whatcha think?

I would never presume to reach out to family. To me, that would be a huge violation of their privacy.

JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Taking something like this, or any other case here or elsewhere, so personally seems silly to me. Don't get me wrong, I respect the fact you seemingly care as much as you do. But it just seems so unproductive for the soul to invest yourself that much. This is out of your hands. We're all held accountable for our actions in this life or afterwards. His day will come. In the meantime get out there and enjoy your life. If for no other reason than for those that no longer have that option.

Is it silly to be emotionally affected by the case of an 8 year old amputee, who had twice survived cancer, only to be murdered by her stepmother, dismembered in the the family bathtub, and her body parts dumped like garbage all over rural North Carolina? To me, the emotional toll wasn't silly, it was a normal reaction to witnessing something beyond horrific in real time. Yes, real time, because we were looking for a missing child when her body was discovered. We watched LE tear apart that house as it happened. We watched in real time as plumbing, garbage disposals, and floor boards came out of that house. And then a few days later, we were treated to pictures of the inside of that house of horrors.

So for those of you who have managed to emotionally distance yourself from these cases, kudos to you. We all strive to find ways of coping with the things we witness here. But please, don't condescend to those of us who do become emotionally involved. We are, afterall, only human.

 

[Theforeigner]

Is it silly to be emotionally affected by the case of an 8 year old amputee, who had twice survived cancer, only to be murdered by her stepmother, dismembered in the the family bathtub, and her body parts dumped like garbage all over rural North Carolina? To me, the emotional toll wasn't silly, it was a normal reaction to witnessing something beyond horrific in real time. Yes, real time, because we were looking for a missing child when her body was discovered. We watched LE tear apart that house as it happened. We watched in real time as plumbing, garbage disposals, and floor boards came out of that house. And then a few days later, we were treated to pictures of the inside of that house of horrors.

So for those of you who have managed to emotionally distance yourself from these cases, kudos to you. We all strive to find ways of coping with the things we witness here. But please, don't condescend to those of us who do become emotionally involved. We are, afterall, only human.

Well said!

 

[LINative13]

I agree with GWM. Dont become an imdirect victim of the LISK.

We only get one shot at this physical form known as life. Take care of your family, friends and everything else is BS!

 

[genericwhitemale]

That was a VERY insensitive and unkind thing to say IMO.
IMO shows a sad lack of empathy and compassion.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I stand behind my above comments, however.

 

[genericwhitemale]

Is it silly to be emotionally affected by the case of an 8 year old amputee, who had twice survived cancer, only to be murdered by her stepmother, dismembered in the the family bathtub, and her body parts dumped like garbage all over rural North Carolina? To me, the emotional toll wasn't silly, it was a normal reaction to witnessing something beyond horrific in real time. Yes, real time, because we were looking for a missing child when her body was discovered. We watched LE tear apart that house as it happened. We watched in real time as plumbing, garbage disposals, and floor boards came out of that house. And then a few days later, we were treated to pictures of the inside of that house of horrors.

So for those of you who have managed to emotionally distance yourself from these cases, kudos to you. We all strive to find ways of coping with the things we witness here. But please, don't condescend to those of us who do become emotionally involved. We are, afterall, only human.

Let's not paint me out to be too poor a character here. By "silly" I more or less meant foolish. And it's true. Help out with these cases all you want. But to let it effect your own day to day life to the point where your relationships with your own family start to go south, or where your job is in jeopardy because you can't focus on anything but a case is a really foolish thing to allow to happen. Maybe some people (myself) can move on quicker than others can. This is true. Or maybe some of you need to reevaluate your own lives and ensure that your efforts are being put where they really belong.

Also, I feel as if you're indirectly making yourself out to be a victim here. There are indeed plenty of victims, but you ain't one of them.

 

[LINative13]

Let's not paint me out to be too poor a character here. By "silly" I more or less meant foolish. And it's true. Help out with these cases all you want. But to let it effect your own day to day life to the point where your relationships with your own family start to go south, or where your job is in jeopardy because you can't focus on anything but a case is a really foolish thing to allow to happen. Maybe some people (myself) can move on quicker than others can. This is true. Or maybe some of you need to reevaluate your own lives and ensure that your efforts are being put where they really belong.

Also, I feel as if you're indirectly making yourself out to be a victim here. There are indeed plenty of victims, but you ain't one of them.

Thats what I am saying!!!

The world is full of evil. You guys remember Rwanda? Hundreds of thousands of people killed before sundown. People have not killed people that fast since Nagasaki and HIroshima. What did you do about that? Or do you just pick and choose which cases you get attached to? Seriously, this should be a hobby of some kind. DO NOT LET THIS INTERFERE WITH YOUR REAL LIFE. Or you are going to sound like those crazies over at the LISK site.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Let's not paint me out to be too poor a character here. By "silly" I more or less meant foolish. And it's true. Help out with these cases all you want. But to let it effect your own day to day life to the point where your relationships with your own family start to go south, or where your job is in jeopardy because you can't focus on anything but a case is a really foolish thing to allow to happen. Maybe some people (myself) can move on quicker than others can. This is true. Or maybe some of you need to reevaluate your own lives and ensure that your efforts are being put where they really belong.

Also, I feel as if you're indirectly making yourself out to be a victim here. There are indeed plenty of victims, but you ain't one of them.

I think, if someone wants to hunt monsters, one has first to learn how to keep the emotional distance. Before one starts to get blindsided by the own emotions. I have seen here on this board, as much as elsewhere, more than my share of very emotional discussions about cases. I only have yet to see a case solved by emotions that pretend to be an additional victim.

 

[Samantha Spade]

I think, if someone wants to hunt monsters, one has first to learn how to keep the emotional distance. Before one starts to get blindsided by the own emotions. I have seen here on this board, as much as elsewhere, more than my share of very emotional discussions about cases. I only have yet to see a case solved by emotions that pretend to be an additional victim.

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You make a lot of sense, but aren't emotions the driving force for people to want to help others and to solve crimes? I guess balance and keeping your emotions in check is the key. I hate to generalize, but from my experience, keeping emotionally distant seems to be a lot easier for men than for women. I think we are just wired differently, though I know there are many exceptions.

 

[Peter Brendt]

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You make a lot of sense, but aren't emotions the driving force for people to want to help others and to solve crimes? I guess balance and keeping your emotions in check is the key. I hate to generalize, but from my experience, keeping emotionally distant seems to be a lot easier for men than for women. I think we are just wired differently, though I know there are many exceptions.

You can decide based on emotions or on ethical reasons, or even on sportive ambition to try to solve crimes. Whatever the individual reasons, they are all the same legit and honorable. But at the moment, you do the first step, you need to use brain and brain only. Because opposite to the heart, the brain is hard to cheat. LISK is in the details a relative hapless guy compared to others. Chase for example left bodies cut open. Corll tortured young boya and men in a way, none of our male members even wants to imagine ... well, he was very concentrated on male sexual organs. And of course, those boys had parents who missed them and still do. I prepare at the moment Harrison Graham, aka The Corpse Collector, for my collection. Well, there are two ways. I can try to understand and use that understanding when I stumble over the next SK of the same type. Or I can cry how terrible the world is. I'm a little afraid, the world wouldn't change, regardless how much I cry.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Let's not paint me out to be too poor a character here. By "silly" I more or less meant foolish. And it's true. Help out with these cases all you want. But to let it effect your own day to day life to the point where your relationships with your own family start to go south, or where your job is in jeopardy because you can't focus on anything but a case is a really foolish thing to allow to happen. Maybe some people (myself) can move on quicker than others can. This is true. Or maybe some of you need to reevaluate your own lives and ensure that your efforts are being put where they really belong.

Also, I feel as if you're indirectly making yourself out to be a victim here. There are indeed plenty of victims, but you ain't one of them.

I agree, and I've said so in earlier posts.

As for the notion that I'm indirectly making myself out to be a victim....nothing could be further from the truth. I'm no victim here, and I'm no victim in my real life. The fact that I have strong reactions to cruelty and inhumanity isn't a weakness, imo, it's a virtue. And having enough sense to reign in my emotions, when needed, is a strength.

And, that's my last word on this subject.

 

[Samantha Spade]

:great:Well, I am an emotional, blubbering, moody mess sometimes. And proud of it.

:lease:

 

[genericwhitemale]

Why exactly are you guys so emotional again? I don't get it.