CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[GrainneDhu]

Thank you. I'm such a geographically dislocated person, I had already given up and googled instead. It's a long way away, isn't it? Wouldn't really fit any of our timelines....for what they're worth.

Wouldn't fit if one assumes that Bob's body was permanently disposed of during the time before the CL arrived at Bob's house.

However, we don't know if that is when Bob's body was disposed of. It could have been kept in a vehicle, for instance, until nightfall (easier to dispose of a body at night when such an action is less likely to be seen). Or Bob's remains may have been put in one spot, left there for some period of time and then moved to a different spot.

Moving remains around is not exactly the sort of thing that most people are comfortable with doing. I'd guess that Bob's remains are probably within a maximum of a 300 mile radius of Placentia, on the reasoning that bodies smell and stopping for gas would be a high risk time for detection. Since most passenger vehicles in the US have about a 300 mile range, I'm thinking that's about as far as his remains could have been moved.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you. I'm such a geographically dislocated person, I had already given up and googled instead. It's a long way away, isn't it? Wouldn't really fit any of our timelines....for what they're worth.

Well the timeline, for distance on where Bob might be foundnd kind of depends. A few hypotheticals.

1)Bob was disposed of before JeM arrived to find the cleaning lady waiting. 2)Sometime between the time Bob was last spoken to at 10am and the time Mrs. Harrod arrived in CA and LE amped up their investigation.

Honestly, there are lots of possibilities, including the possibility both AH and JeM were at Bob's home the morning Bob disappeared. One taking a trip to dispose of Bob and materials and the other off to the hardware store.

If more than one person is involved here the timeline widens greatly, imo.

 

[noZme]

adding to Cubby's link regarding skeletal remains found near Barstow: according to Google Maps, Placentia to Barstow driving route time is 1 hour 49 minutes. 104 miles.

 

[Cubby]

Wouldn't fit if one assumes that Bob's body was permanently disposed of during the time before the CL arrived at Bob's house.

However, we don't know if that is when Bob's body was disposed of. It could have been kept in a vehicle, for instance, until nightfall (easier to dispose of a body at night when such an action is less likely to be seen). Or Bob's remains may have been put in one spot, left there for some period of time and then moved to a different spot.

Moving remains around is not exactly the sort of thing that most people are comfortable with doing. I'd guess that Bob's remains are probably within a maximum of a 300 mile radius of Placentia, on the reasoning that bodies smell and stopping for gas would be a high risk time for detection. Since most passenger vehicles in the US have about a 300 mile range, I'm thinking that's about as far as his remains could have been moved.

Bouncing off your post, grainne. 300 miles on flat midwest land. I don't know how the gas mileage might be in stop and go traffic such as the rush hour in So. Cal, or the difference in driving up and down mountain roads.

Of course gas tank sizes vary too based on the size of the vehicle.....

 

[zwiebel]

HA! Try reading about Louisiana law, which is based on the Napoleonic code. Makes English common law seem intuitive.

Okay, admit I had a little look, but my head is bursting with law stuff now ...the language is just enough to frazzle a person's brain! O/T but, I think Napoleon and his soldiers may have left a cannonball in my garden. They were famously in this area, and I dug it up from deep underground. It's on my shelf now, slowly disintegrating and scattering rusty metal everywhere.

 

[gitana1]

Barstow is kind of a remote place, in the desert. Which is why a lot of bodies are found there. If they wanted to dump the body away from Orange County, which is densely populated, but in a county they are familiar with, then Barstow might be a location. But he would have had to veer off his path. Can someone tell me where exactly in the mountains they lived again?

They would have had to drive past the mountains and far out into the desert:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=plan...F-8&ei=LaWVULe-Hs_wiQLqoICgAQ&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAg

(The mountains is the green ridge that the blue path crosses.

 

[zwiebel]

Running Springs, San Bernardino Mountain.

 

[zwiebel]

Am I going mad? I ended up in Switzerland with that link.

 

[zwiebel]

No, that's definitely Switzerland. Look left and there's Lyon in France. Lovely place. Polls top in where most French people would live if they could. Would get fat though. The food is very nice.

 

[zwiebel]

OK guys, here's the map showing the route from SIL's likely starting point in Running Springs to Carnation Drive, and all the CVS pharmacies along the way.

The driving distance is roughly 75 miles and should take about an hour and a half.

Bumping my map, which I managed to find! Yay!

 

[zwiebel]

Can anybody post a map showing the route from Running Springs to Barstow? I can't do it without help, and help's asleep.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Bouncing off your post, grainne. 300 miles on flat midwest land. I don't know how the gas mileage might be in stop and go traffic such as the rush hour in So. Cal, or the difference in driving up and down mountain roads.

Of course gas tank sizes vary too based on the size of the vehicle.....

Smaller vehicles have smaller gas tanks but usually get better mileage, so it all evens out in the end. Over the years, it seems like most vehicles are designed around that 300 mile range.

What do you think the possible range for Bob's body is?

 

[zwiebel]

Can't post a map, but here's a link showing Running Springs to Barstow.

Deleted link. Mine led to Frankfurt. I give up.

 

[noZme]

z,
go to google maps. click on "get directions".
"A" enter Placentiia CA
"B" enter Barstow CA
click "get directions"

(now you can do it anytime)

 

[zwiebel]

z,
go to google maps. click on "get directions".
"A" enter Placentiia CA
"B" enter Barstow CA
click "get directions"

(now you can do it anytime)

Sorry, noZme, know I'm painful. I want to post the url for the map link though, and my tablet won't let me do it on google. The nasty little site that did allow me to do it, tried to post my location on the link, instead of the map. If the google url shows on your computer, would you be able to link it here?

 

[zwiebel]

Smaller vehicles have smaller gas tanks but usually get better mileage, so it all evens out in the end. Over the years, it seems like most vehicles are designed around that 300 mile range.

What do you think the possible range for Bob's body is?

I do think Bob disappeared between the hours of 8 and 12 that morning. If you take away an hour for activities, that leaves 3 hours max for a return journey. 1.5 hours each way. A local might know what the prevailing traffic conditions would have been like, and how far a person might get in that time. Was it a Monday?

ETA 1 hour is not enough time for activities. I think the maximum journey time is more lkely to be an hour each way, max.

 

[Cubby]

Smaller vehicles have smaller gas tanks but usually get better mileage, so it all evens out in the end. Over the years, it seems like most vehicles are designed around that 300 mile range.

What do you think the possible range for Bob's body is?

Most likely within that two hour round trip drive we've discussed upthread, but I wouldn't rule out a bit further. For example, I'd rule out as far as northern CA but I wouldn't rule out western NV. I'd probably rule out going into more congested area's and am more open to wider deserted area's.

 

[Cubby]

Can anybody post a map showing the route from Running Springs to Barstow? I can't do it without help, and help's asleep.

Give me a little bit and I will walk you through how to use driving directions on google or mapquest. Mapquest is easier to use for beginners.

Right now my motto is finish homework today and all day tomorrow to play. We are almost done. Have to finish math and study for test and then we have all day Sunday to play, except to print one thing (which we have to do at Grandma's because I have no printer here.)

I will come back and direct you step by step on how to use the driving directions maps zwiebel. One thing we don't do here is horde information or how to. The more working a case the merrier!

 

[zwiebel]

Give me a little bit and I will walk you through how to use driving directions on google or mapquest. Mapquest is easier to use for beginners.

Right now my motto is finish homework today and all day tomorrow to play. We are almost done. Have to finish math and study for test and then we have all day Sunday to play, except to print one thing (which we have to do at Grandma's because I have no printer here.)

I will come back and direct you step by step on how to use the driving directions maps zwiebel. One thing we don't do here is horde information or how to. The more working a case the merrier!

Thanks so much but it's my tablet. I can find it but it won't show the url to link it (noZme has helped me out now, see posts above) Have to borrow Mr Zs computer to do it usually, but he's asleep.

 

[zwiebel]

Most likely within that two hour round trip drive we've discussed upthread, but I wouldn't rule out a bit further. For example, I'd rule out as far as northern CA but I wouldn't rule out western NV. I'd probably rule out going into more congested area's and am more open to wider deserted area's.

I'd love to see the landscape in this area myself - if it is brushwood/ thorns. Nature park tourists pics look green and pleasant but it's hard to tell. I wonder if it is a problematic area for K9s to search?