CA- Body (IDd as Celeste Rivas Hernandez) found in vehicle at Hollywood tow yard, abandoned Tesla registered to singer D4vd – 8 September 2025 #2

  • #121
There is of course another possibility that would mean that D4vd is... well there isn't a better word than 'innocent.' In her death and disposal.

We know he toured for months in and out of the U.S during the time between her going missing in April 2024 and being found September 2025.

There are unverified SM suggesting she did come along to some U.S shows, and maybe went to family for some of the time. All the same, I can't see him dragging her to every stop, just seems risky to travel that much with a missing minor, particularly taking her outside the US.

So where was she staying when he was out of L.A? Is it possible he left her at his house when he was touring? Likely with whatever parts of his hard partying circle didn't come with him.

We are trying to find the small gaps in his schedule that would allow him to kill or be in L.A when she died.

But I can imagine a overdose happening at his house when he wasn't there. Their circle knew she's missing and underage. So they don't call the cops/ambulance. They pick a the closest place to hide her out the house (the half abandoned Tesla which probably had the keys hanging up somewhere). They don't want to frame him. It's about buying time to gtfo from the whole situation. Which is why the car also stopped getting moved around at that time.

D4vd could habe been oblivious (his schedule in August flat out) . After she's found/named he does the smart thing and stfu because wtf is he going to stay? That's still his criminally underaged SA victim. Even if he wasn't involved in her death, he's still criminally liable for most everything else he did to her.

I'm not seeking to exonerate him or anything.

I just doubt the party stops when he's not there, so an overdose (or foul play) and access to his house/Tesla

I think this is a plausible scenario and I thank you for it. The marrow channels in her long bones should provide the toxicologists with evidence (the examiners in Suzanne Morphew's case found the deer tranquilizer in her marrow chambers, and that was a case of extreme decomp, down to just skeleton).

There could be a version in which D4vd was there when it happened. If he claims he simply thought she went back home (when she had died while he was away and put into the Tesla), that would be his best defense. He could claim that the group of people who stayed at the house were responsible and that he saw her liking things on Instagram and did not realize these were created by the people who put her in the car. It would be quite the story, but I suspect this case is going to have many more twists and turns.

He could still be subject to criminal charges for not reporting her missing and for kidnapping, basically. Federal charges could be filed as well. I do believe that as investigators narrow down her time of death and re-interview (perhaps with a wider net), someone is going to talk.

IMO. Anyway, your scenario is the only one I've read that keeps D4vd out of direct responsibility for both her death and hiding her body.
 
  • #122
I do think there was some tissue left when found. Or we wouldn't know about the tattoo on her finger. I don't think the remains were desiccated or skeletal.
I am think more liquified due to Putrefaction. Which would place her most probable TOD around20 days prior to her remains being found at the tow yard, and might also explain why the tow driver didn't note any foul odor but a few days later someone at the tow yard did

Putrefaction is the decay of organic matter by the action of microorganisms resulting in the production of a foul smell. It occurs between 10 to 20 days after the death of an organism. Putrefaction involves the decomposition of proteins, breakdown of the tissues, and liquefaction of the organs.

There are 6000 year old tattoos on the desiccated ( mummified ) body of the Ice Man (found in the Alps). There are older tattoos than that in the anthropological record. The skin can desiccate and still exist, just in dry form. H20 can be absent from a body, including the skin. That's what the word means.

TL;DR for the following: decomp is complex, it's not a single linear process.

And, given the conditions here in SoCal this summer, CRH's body could have been partly or mostly desiccated. It doesn't take complete desiccation for the bones to start to separate from each other (particularly in areas like the wrists and ankles, with the decomp of tendons (the attachments in the wrists are particularly thin, thinner in girls and women than in boys and men).

Both putrefaction/liquefaction and desiccation can occur at the same time. Liquefaction occurs as the body's fluids are expelled from dead cells as cellular membranes break down (decompose). The liquid is mainly H20. Left behind are the proteins and enzymatic byproducts, now resting on ever deeper layers of the body and eventually, there's just residue on the bones. If one part of the body is more protected from the elements than some other part, the ratio and rate of those processes will be distinctive.

I think most people also know that lividity is the initial pooling of blood (again mostly H20) in parts of the body due to gravity. This starts immediately upon death. It can be detected via its residues on bones (or tissues) and this tells medical examiners a few things. It shows how the body was positioned when death occurred. It shows whether the body was moved from that position (typically, if someone finds a dead person and wishes to administer aid, not knowing whether they are really dead, they turn them over on their backs - this is one of the most common positions for a body to be in as it begins the immediate process of decomp).

She was stated to be in an "advanced state" of decomp, meaning that some hydrated tissue was still available/visible, but to get to that state, the body has to begin the process of disarticulation (which is caused by decay and then drying of tendons and ligaments). In that stage, both things are going on - and the last phase is when the body is completely skeleton. I'm not saying she was completely desiccated, only that in that next to last phase of decomp, some parts of her body had lost enough H20 such that tendons and ligaments no longer were intact. They broke down, which is why the police report mentioned disarticulation (later misinterpreted by media outlets as "dismembered," which is not at all what the police report said - according to the LA Times; I do not have a copy of the police report).

Naturally, if the body were undisturbed from the moment of death until weeks or months later, the part of the body subject to lividity would have more liquid than the top part of the body (which would enter into the final phase BEFORE the underside of the body in most situations - also, if the body is inside of something, like a trunk or coffin, it would be the TOP part of the body that underwent this process first). All of this is documented the the ME, so that a rough time of death can be worked out in a case like this. If she died in the trunk (because she climbed in it herself and no one knew she was there), she likely would have been curled up in a fetal position or some other position to fit into the trunk; it's unlikely she'd be laying flat on her back - but the lividity analysis would show that; it would have given a strong clue as to manner of death, but of course, the toxicology report should also help establish if she was using drugs or alcohol at the time she decided to get into the trunk - or the swimming pool if they decide she drowned).

At that stage of advanced decomp, it's possible the lungs were so lacking in fluid and dry that direct evidence of drowning would have to depend on finding pool chemical traces within the remnants of those organs (or evidence of minerals consistent with sea or lake water). That analysis is usually done by a lab right in the coroner's office - so I am assuming they have ruled that out.

My own interest is in skulls and brains, as those are the most anthropological valuable parts of a dead body. The brain typically dries out and wilts down to a thick paste by 4-7 days. It will become increasingly "crispy" and powdery during Stages 2 and 3 of decomp. During stage 4, the brain is losing most of its cellular structure, indeed, studying the neuron morphology at this stage is impossible, the neurons are gone. The carbon that was part of their structure is still there, but the fluid part is gone (wet chemistry of the brain disappears starting in Stage 3 of decomp). The brain is very delicate, the neurons are not like skin cells at all - skin cells and hair cells are far more durable. Think of toothpaste drying on a surface - it would be like that. But, we can still examine that dried paste under microscopes and find various kinds of evidence (some of it not particularly forensically valuable). The distribution of this dried paste in Stage 4 will help reveal positioning of the body as well. It could even reveal whether the body had been moved in the first days or weeks of decomp.

And, of great interest to me, as we discover the markers of various neurotransmitters (this project is in no way complete), we can also analyze either the dried paste of the brain OR scrape on the inside of the skull to get microscopic amounts of material and begin to look, in a shadowed way, at the wet chemistry of the brain. For example, the biggest molecule floating in the brain is serotonin. There's a range of values for how much serotonin should be present inside the skull of a dead person. In theory, we could postulate such things as whether or not an ancient body was inhabited by a depressed brain - once we know the values for the population in question. It's called orthomolecular psychiatry. Even without those values, we could know whether the values are outside a healthy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens range. Other molecules are associated with certain mental illness, so people who do this research are very excited about finding out the evolutionary history of schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses (some are better explained through brain morphology, though, which is usually lost to us during stages 2 and 3 of decomp).








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  • #123
I think the first reports were probably not exactly accurate regarding the state of the body. I think the whole body was in the trunk, it was just very decomposed. Poor girl.

I wish we could stop using sources here on WS that say "dismembered." If there were actual evidence of dismemberment, I believe a box would have been checked on Cause of Death (it could still be provisional
 
  • #124
Even without those values, we could know whether the values are outside a healthy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens range.
Rods, Rods, Rods... when are ya gonna learn that you can't use the term h o m o sapiens on this site? LOL

And ya know I luvs you and not pickin' atcha. :)
 
  • #125
Rods, Rods, Rods... when are ya gonna learn that you can't use the term h o m o sapiens on this site? LOL

And ya know I luvs you and not pickin' atcha. :)

Apparently never, Gemmie! My fingers just go and type it, darn them. I appreciate being given an alternative. Do you see why I think you're brilliant? I luvs you back.

In this case, I'm gonna say that the four naughty faces bring a certain panache to an otherwise long and somewhat boring comment!
 
  • #126
There are 6000 year old tattoos on the desiccated ( mummified ) body of the Ice Man (found in the Alps). There are older tattoos than that in the anthropological record. The skin can desiccate and still exist, just in dry form. H20 can be absent from a body, including the skin. That's what the word means.

TL;DR for the following: decomp is complex, it's not a single linear process.

And, given the conditions here in SoCal this summer, CRH's body could have been partly or mostly desiccated. It doesn't take complete desiccation for the bones to start to separate from each other (particularly in areas like the wrists and ankles, with the decomp of tendons (the attachments in the wrists are particularly thin, thinner in girls and women than in boys and men).

Both putrefaction/liquefaction and desiccation can occur at the same time. Liquefaction occurs as the body's fluids are expelled from dead cells as cellular membranes break down (decompose). The liquid is mainly H20. Left behind are the proteins and enzymatic byproducts, now resting on ever deeper layers of the body and eventually, there's just residue on the bones. If one part of the body is more protected from the elements than some other part, the ratio and rate of those processes will be distinctive.

I think most people also know that lividity is the initial pooling of blood (again mostly H20) in parts of the body due to gravity. This starts immediately upon death. It can be detected via its residues on bones (or tissues) and this tells medical examiners a few things. It shows how the body was positioned when death occurred. It shows whether the body was moved from that position (typically, if someone finds a dead person and wishes to administer aid, not knowing whether they are really dead, they turn them over on their backs - this is one of the most common positions for a body to be in as it begins the immediate process of decomp).

She was stated to be in an "advanced state" of decomp, meaning that some hydrated tissue was still available/visible, but to get to that state, the body has to begin the process of disarticulation (which is caused by decay and then drying of tendons and ligaments). In that stage, both things are going on - and the last phase is when the body is completely skeleton. I'm not saying she was completely desiccated, only that in that next to last phase of decomp, some parts of her body had lost enough H20 such that tendons and ligaments no longer were intact. They broke down, which is why the police report mentioned disarticulation (later misinterpreted by media outlets as "dismembered," which is not at all what the police report said - according to the LA Times; I do not have a copy of the police report).

Naturally, if the body were undisturbed from the moment of death until weeks or months later, the part of the body subject to lividity would have more liquid than the top part of the body (which would enter into the final phase BEFORE the underside of the body in most situations - also, if the body is inside of something, like a trunk or coffin, it would be the TOP part of the body that underwent this process first). All of this is documented the the ME, so that a rough time of death can be worked out in a case like this. If she died in the trunk (because she climbed in it herself and no one knew she was there), she likely would have been curled up in a fetal position or some other position to fit into the trunk; it's unlikely she'd be laying flat on her back - but the lividity analysis would show that; it would have given a strong clue as to manner of death, but of course, the toxicology report should also help establish if she was using drugs or alcohol at the time she decided to get into the trunk - or the swimming pool if they decide she drowned).

At that stage of advanced decomp, it's possible the lungs were so lacking in fluid and dry that direct evidence of drowning would have to depend on finding pool chemical traces within the remnants of those organs (or evidence of minerals consistent with sea or lake water). That analysis is usually done by a lab right in the coroner's office - so I am assuming they have ruled that out.

My own interest is in skulls and brains, as those are the most anthropological valuable parts of a dead body. The brain typically dries out and wilts down to a thick paste by 4-7 days. It will become increasingly "crispy" and powdery during Stages 2 and 3 of decomp. During stage 4, the brain is losing most of its cellular structure, indeed, studying the neuron morphology at this stage is impossible, the neurons are gone. The carbon that was part of their structure is still there, but the fluid part is gone (wet chemistry of the brain disappears starting in Stage 3 of decomp). The brain is very delicate, the neurons are not like skin cells at all - skin cells and hair cells are far more durable. Think of toothpaste drying on a surface - it would be like that. But, we can still examine that dried paste under microscopes and find various kinds of evidence (some of it not particularly forensically valuable). The distribution of this dried paste in Stage 4 will help reveal positioning of the body as well. It could even reveal whether the body had been moved in the first days or weeks of decomp.

And, of great interest to me, as we discover the markers of various neurotransmitters (this project is in no way complete), we can also analyze either the dried paste of the brain OR scrape on the inside of the skull to get microscopic amounts of material and begin to look, in a shadowed way, at the wet chemistry of the brain. For example, the biggest molecule floating in the brain is serotonin. There's a range of values for how much serotonin should be present inside the skull of a dead person. In theory, we could postulate such things as whether or not an ancient body was inhabited by a depressed brain - once we know the values for the population in question. It's called orthomolecular psychiatry. Even without those values, we could know whether the values are outside a healthy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens range. Other molecules are associated with certain mental illness, so people who do this research are very excited about finding out the evolutionary history of schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses (some are better explained through brain morphology, though, which is usually lost to us during stages 2 and 3 of decomp).








IMO
Wow! The information you present here is ABSOLUTELY fascinating! Thank you for sharing.
 
  • #127
There are 6000 year old tattoos on the desiccated ( mummified ) body of the Ice Man (found in the Alps). There are older tattoos than that in the anthropological record. The skin can desiccate and still exist, just in dry form. H20 can be absent from a body, including the skin. That's what the word means.

TL;DR for the following: decomp is complex, it's not a single linear process.

And, given the conditions here in SoCal this summer, CRH's body could have been partly or mostly desiccated. It doesn't take complete desiccation for the bones to start to separate from each other (particularly in areas like the wrists and ankles, with the decomp of tendons (the attachments in the wrists are particularly thin, thinner in girls and women than in boys and men).

Both putrefaction/liquefaction and desiccation can occur at the same time. Liquefaction occurs as the body's fluids are expelled from dead cells as cellular membranes break down (decompose). The liquid is mainly H20. Left behind are the proteins and enzymatic byproducts, now resting on ever deeper layers of the body and eventually, there's just residue on the bones. If one part of the body is more protected from the elements than some other part, the ratio and rate of those processes will be distinctive.

I think most people also know that lividity is the initial pooling of blood (again mostly H20) in parts of the body due to gravity. This starts immediately upon death. It can be detected via its residues on bones (or tissues) and this tells medical examiners a few things. It shows how the body was positioned when death occurred. It shows whether the body was moved from that position (typically, if someone finds a dead person and wishes to administer aid, not knowing whether they are really dead, they turn them over on their backs - this is one of the most common positions for a body to be in as it begins the immediate process of decomp).

She was stated to be in an "advanced state" of decomp, meaning that some hydrated tissue was still available/visible, but to get to that state, the body has to begin the process of disarticulation (which is caused by decay and then drying of tendons and ligaments). In that stage, both things are going on - and the last phase is when the body is completely skeleton. I'm not saying she was completely desiccated, only that in that next to last phase of decomp, some parts of her body had lost enough H20 such that tendons and ligaments no longer were intact. They broke down, which is why the police report mentioned disarticulation (later misinterpreted by media outlets as "dismembered," which is not at all what the police report said - according to the LA Times; I do not have a copy of the police report).

Naturally, if the body were undisturbed from the moment of death until weeks or months later, the part of the body subject to lividity would have more liquid than the top part of the body (which would enter into the final phase BEFORE the underside of the body in most situations - also, if the body is inside of something, like a trunk or coffin, it would be the TOP part of the body that underwent this process first). All of this is documented the the ME, so that a rough time of death can be worked out in a case like this. If she died in the trunk (because she climbed in it herself and no one knew she was there), she likely would have been curled up in a fetal position or some other position to fit into the trunk; it's unlikely she'd be laying flat on her back - but the lividity analysis would show that; it would have given a strong clue as to manner of death, but of course, the toxicology report should also help establish if she was using drugs or alcohol at the time she decided to get into the trunk - or the swimming pool if they decide she drowned).

At that stage of advanced decomp, it's possible the lungs were so lacking in fluid and dry that direct evidence of drowning would have to depend on finding pool chemical traces within the remnants of those organs (or evidence of minerals consistent with sea or lake water). That analysis is usually done by a lab right in the coroner's office - so I am assuming they have ruled that out.

My own interest is in skulls and brains, as those are the most anthropological valuable parts of a dead body. The brain typically dries out and wilts down to a thick paste by 4-7 days. It will become increasingly "crispy" and powdery during Stages 2 and 3 of decomp. During stage 4, the brain is losing most of its cellular structure, indeed, studying the neuron morphology at this stage is impossible, the neurons are gone. The carbon that was part of their structure is still there, but the fluid part is gone (wet chemistry of the brain disappears starting in Stage 3 of decomp). The brain is very delicate, the neurons are not like skin cells at all - skin cells and hair cells are far more durable. Think of toothpaste drying on a surface - it would be like that. But, we can still examine that dried paste under microscopes and find various kinds of evidence (some of it not particularly forensically valuable). The distribution of this dried paste in Stage 4 will help reveal positioning of the body as well. It could even reveal whether the body had been moved in the first days or weeks of decomp.

And, of great interest to me, as we discover the markers of various neurotransmitters (this project is in no way complete), we can also analyze either the dried paste of the brain OR scrape on the inside of the skull to get microscopic amounts of material and begin to look, in a shadowed way, at the wet chemistry of the brain. For example, the biggest molecule floating in the brain is serotonin. There's a range of values for how much serotonin should be present inside the skull of a dead person. In theory, we could postulate such things as whether or not an ancient body was inhabited by a depressed brain - once we know the values for the population in question. It's called orthomolecular psychiatry. Even without those values, we could know whether the values are outside a healthy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sapiens range. Other molecules are associated with certain mental illness, so people who do this research are very excited about finding out the evolutionary history of schizophrenia and other major mental illnesses (some are better explained through brain morphology, though, which is usually lost to us during stages 2 and 3 of decomp).








IMO
Wow. This is so detailed and thorough thank you. I am impressed by your knowledge. I would love to have real life conversations with you as I find all of this extremely fascinating. The serotonin levels part blew my mind as I did not realise the depth of information you could glean from a decomposed brain. Being able to diagnose depressed ancient peoples tickled me.

Off topic but I am interested to know if you believe in life after death given all your knowledge of post mortem brains especially.

Thanks again for such an informative and interesting post.
 

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