CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

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  • #521
I wish we could find out if cash was found in Bryce's wallet or not. If there was and he planned this disappearance seems he would have taken it.

I think we need a questions to be answered post or thread. We have a lot of unanswered questions. A big One for me, even though it probably don't help find Bryce, is when Dragracerz said that "it's not true" in relation to the the statement that he broke up with his girlfriend and his roommates took his keys away, I never found out what part of that was untrue - both parts or the whole thing.

I'm beginning to believe he was not with the Car . Something happened in that motel he either left with someone else or he was removed by someone and when they went to hide the car it went off road. Just a thought

He spoke with his mom at 2:08 am in Castaic. I do not believe he was being held hostage at that point (or any other).

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

Well, it was a dispatch report not a police report. We need that I think. If there is one.

Also, I can certainly see someone responding to internal stimuli which they've never encountered before, hanging out in one place for hours, heat or no heat. I've known someone do just that. Was sunburned all over afterwards. Had a mental issue.
 
  • #522
By the way, I guess the poor family was preyed on by some nut On Facebook who apparently claimed to have info or something. It was a female profile that someone traced and found to be linked to an older male, who posted similar things on another missing kids page. Sick as hell.
 
  • #523
By the way, I guess the poor family was preyed on by some nut On Facebook who apparently claimed to have info or something. It was a female profile that someone traced and found to be linked to an older male, who posted similar things on another missing kids page. Sick as hell.
To take advantage of someone is despicable enough, but to do it to someone who is going through the worst thing imaginable, it's just the lowest you can go. Glad they tracked the person down.
 
  • #524
By the way, I guess the poor family was preyed on by some nut On Facebook who apparently claimed to have info or something. It was a female profile that someone traced and found to be linked to an older male, who posted similar things on another missing kids page. Sick as hell.

I saw that this morning but couldn't find "her" original post. What did "she" claim to know?
 
  • #525
12:30 p.m. Thursday - Karen Laspisa calls serviceman Christian and asks about her son. He tells her he appears “OK” but adds: “His eyes look a little red.” Bryce does not answer his cell phone.

9:00 p.m. Thursday - responding to a call from the mother - CHP officers stop and search Bryce’s car spotted on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow. Some reports say they searched for drugs or alcohol but found none. The mom told John and Ken that the police spent 20 minutes with her son.

Shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday - Karen speaks to her son on the phone and asks: “What are you doing?” His response, she said, is: “I’m going to hang with friends later.”

So ... Mom didn't talk with BL between 12:30pm when Mom hears from the road service man that BL eyes "look a little red" until after the parents request a LE wellness check including a drug search where BL is found "at a hotel" after 9pm ???

Come on!!! There had to have been some communication between 12:30pm and 10pm! That doesn't pass the smell test even in smelly Buttonwillow. JMO
 
  • #526
So ... Mom didn't talk with BL between 12:30pm when Mom hears from the road service man that BL eyes "look a little red" until after the parents request a LE wellness check including a drug search where BL is found "at a hotel" after 9pm ???

Come on!!! There had to have been some communication between 12:30pm and 10pm! That doesn't pass the smell test even in smelly Buttonwillow. JMO

I agree and I will go so far as to say there are several things that don't make sense to me. Not trying to cast aspersions on anyone, but seems this was an emergency from the very beginning. To me something was just not right and maybe it is because we do not have all the facts. And I understand that. jmo
 
  • #527
From the timeline it appears as though Mom talked to Bryce right after he left his girlfriend's house (telling Mom he had just broken up with his GF) on Wednesday night and then not again until the police tell him to call her at approximately 9pm on Thursday night. He wasn't answering his phone and wasn't returning her calls apparently.
 
  • #528
I'm usually defending LE as I know they work extremely hard and try their darnedest to solve cases. But I have to agree with Cluciano. Although they do well in many cases, we've also seen case after case of missing persons- both children and adult- just botched by LE.
Missing adult cases are some of the worst.

Not talking to the family until so late about key info. Not talking to the media about key info. Not following certain leads. Not securing potential crime scenes well enough or conducting searches thoroughly enough. Failing to identify and understand crucial evidence. Etc.

It can be a mess.

do we know for sure that LE didn't tell the family? maybe they told the mom and dad and they withheld it from the uncle? I could see that easily happening. I am willing to BET that the officer who called mom told her exactly where Bryce was. As I posted prior, I do feel a bit mislead here. I think there are other things going on that perhaps the family doesn't want known to the public but could be cruicial in finding Bryce.

the bag could be unzipped because he had a ready "to go" pack for his "new life".
 
  • #529
I agree and I will go so far as to say there are several things that don't make sense to me. Not trying to cast aspersions on anyone, but seems this was an emergency from the very beginning. To me something was just not right and maybe it is because we do not have all the facts. And I understand that. jmo

I agree. So wish we had all of the facts, regardless of what they might be. Bryce, where ever he is, needs to be found. :banghead:
 
  • #530
I saw that this morning but couldn't find "her" original post. What did "she" claim to know?

I never saw it either. I just saw posts linking to the fb profile, and then to a google account associated with it and also the post on Bruce's missing Fb page discussing it. Sad.

I agree and I will go so far as to say there are several things that don't make sense to me. Not trying to cast aspersions on anyone, but seems this was an emergency from the very beginning. To me something was just not right and maybe it is because we do not have all the facts. And I understand that. jmo

I agree with you. The way this was all initially reported, Bryce had been acting oddly right before his trip- oddly enough that his girlfriend questioned him and he excused his behavior by stating he had been up all night on Adderall. Oddly enough that his roommates, according to initial reports, took away his keys until he convinced his mom he was fine and she said to give them back. Oddly enough that he got in his truck and started a 24 hour road trip right after school had started, in the general direction of home which was only 8 hours away. Then, once the trip began, he continued to act oddly. Oddly enough that his mom keep calling him during the trip, checking on him and asking roadside assistance and police to check on him. Oddly enough that LE searched his vehicle for alcohol and drugs.

Something was very wrong from the beginning and mom knew it. But I think some mistakes were made in the responses to that emergency. I don't blame anyone. It's always easy to play armchair quarterback or second guess someone after the fact.

do we know for sure that LE didn't tell the family? maybe they told the mom and dad and they withheld it from the uncle? I could see that easily happening. I am willing to BET that the officer who called mom told her exactly where Bryce was. As I posted prior, I do feel a bit mislead here. I think there are other things going on that perhaps the family doesn't want known to the public but could be cruicial in finding Bryce.

the bag could be unzipped because he had a ready "to go" pack for his "new life".

Oops! I was giving examPles from other cases! I have no idea what LE has done or failed to do or said or withheld from the family in this case! Sorry!!!
 
  • #531
I never saw it either. I just saw posts linking to the fb profile, and then to a google account associated with it and also the post on Bruce's missing Fb page discussing it. Sad.



I agree with you. The way this was all initially reported, Bryce had been acting oddly right before his trip- oddly enough that his girlfriend questioned him and he excused his behavior by stating he had been up all night on Adderall. Oddly enough that his roommates, according to initial reports, took away his keys until he convinced his mom he was fine and she said to give them back. Oddly enough that he got in his truck and started a 24 hour road trip right after school had started, in the general direction of home which was only 8 hours away. Then, once the trip began, he continued to act oddly. Oddly enough that his mom keep calling him during the trip, checking on him and asking roadside assistance and police to check on him. Oddly enough that LE searched his vehicle for alcohol and drugs.

Something was very wrong from the beginning and mom knew it. But I think some mistakes were made in the responses to that emergency. I don't blame anyone. It's always easy to play armchair quarterback or second guess someone after the fact.



Oops! I was giving examPles from other cases! I have no idea what LE has done or failed to do or said or withheld from the family in this case! Sorry!!!

Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there and he told her no. Now why would it be such a big deal that he broke up with his girlfriend that would make her think it was necessary to fly out there? It makes me think he was fragile to begin with. Which would make any mother worry. jmo
 
  • #532
I never saw it either. I just saw posts linking to the fb profile, and then to a google account associated with it and also the post on Bruce's missing Fb page discussing it. Sad. Thank you. Yes, very sad. These types of cases bring out the wonderful in so many people and, unfortunately, the not so wonderful in a handful of others, as well. :no:

I agree with you. The way this was all initially reported, Bryce had been acting oddly right before his trip- oddly enough that his girlfriend questioned him and he excused his behavior by stating he had been up all night on Adderall. Oddly enough that his roommates, according to initial reports, took away his keys until he convinced his mom he was fine and she said to give them back. Oddly enough that he got in his truck and started a 24 hour road trip right after school had started, in the general direction of home which was only 8 hours away. Then, once the trip began, he continued to act oddly. Oddly enough that his mom keep calling him during the trip, checking on him and asking roadside assistance and police to check on him. Oddly enough that LE searched his vehicle for alcohol and drugs.

Something was very wrong from the beginning and mom knew it. But I think some mistakes were made in the responses to that emergency. I don't blame anyone. It's always easy to play armchair quarterback or second guess someone after the fact.

I believe it was his GF and her roommate that took away his car keys, not his roommate.

(The bold above is my response)
 
  • #533
If his parents knew where he was, would they be having three vigils tomorrow?
 
  • #534
Quoting above from an earlier thread. I didnt realise that the police were at his car within an hour of him having the crash. Wow. HE could only have walked around 3 miles in that time, not sure about if in a car. But they were on it pretty quick!
3 miles would have taken him back to the residential area, truck stops and freeway. It was only 2.6 miles by road. 3 miles can be quite a distance.

Delurking to comment on something that I read last night and has been bugging me ever since. When I was looking at the transcript that rosegarden posted, I came across an entry for August 31st in Laguna Niguel that said someone reported two men in their late teens, one pale with freckles and strawberry blonde hair and one Hispanic, walking in a residential area. The Hispanic man was reported to have a gun, and the men were acting somewhat suspicious. Something about this just strikes me as odd. Could it be Bryce? Maybe in the sunlight his hair looked lighter than it really is? At that point, no one was looking for him anywhere other than around the lake. Maybe he wasn't even on LE's radar in that area yet. The area where they were reported is about 6 miles driving distance from Bryce's parents' home, but this has just nagged at me ever since I read it.
Nice catch. Hair as short at Bryce's could look strawberry blond, so I hope they have spoken to the officer who responded.

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO
JMO, hotel and motel are often used interchangeably (not by me). However, EconoLodge and Knights Inn (formerly Super 8 and bought out by Wyndham) both call themselves HOTELs (Motel 6 obviously cannot do so), and both are right by Lagoon Dr. I, personally, have no problem believing he could have been sleeping (I don't discount the other possibilities, either). ETA: for the $40.00 the hotel/motels cost in that area, I have stayed there to get some shut eye when I was only a few hours from my destination. So for me, it just doesn't sound unusual.

So ... Mom didn't talk with BL between 12:30pm when Mom hears from the road service man that BL eyes "look a little red" until after the parents request a LE wellness check including a drug search where BL is found "at a hotel" after 9pm ???

Come on!!! There had to have been some communication between 12:30pm and 10pm! That doesn't pass the smell test even in smelly Buttonwillow. JMO
His parents DID call for a wellness check when they could not reach their son. While it does not say that they tried to call and were unsuccessful, you can extrapolate from the fact that they called for a wellness check that they had tried to call and got no answer (possibly for several hours), otherwise why be worried?

From Buttonwillow to Laguna NIguel takes about 3 hours to drive(2 hours and 51 minutes by Google maps). The first report of Bryce being missing shows up at 19:27:59 (7:27pm) The report also states "LAST HEARD FROM SUBJECT AT 1230" Working with those numbers, I come up with this:
3 hours travel time
1 hour stopping (food, bathroom break, whatever)

At 4:30 he should have been home, but was not. Most parents would give an extra 1/2 hour. At 5:00 pm, start calling his cell phone. No return call with an hour (in California, if you don't have hands-free, you aren't supposed to talk on the phone when you drive-LOTS OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HANDS-FREE-just had to say that), contact phone service to see about pinging cell. Takes at least a half hour to get that sorted out (Yes, I've had to do it). This brings us to 6:30. That hour could have been eaten up by his parents trying to call several times, trying to figure out whether to start driving up, trying to find out how to ping the phone, dozens of things (Yes, I have done that, too)

So IMO, there did not have to be any communication during that time. I am sure there was attempted communication, though.
 
  • #535
Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there and he told her no. Now why would it be such a big deal that he broke up with his girlfriend that would make her think it was necessary to fly out there? It makes me think he was fragile to begin with. Which would make any mother worry. jmo
Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there. At all. How many men out there would have wanted their mom to fly out to visit at college because she was "worried about you"? My daughter isn't even AT college yet, and we have already been told we don't get to randomly visit. I respect that. (doesn't mean I won't...:D)

Was he that fragile, his attitude that worrisome, or was she a little over protective and he didn't want to feel smothered so was acting weird? It could have been any of them.
 
  • #536
Just for a visual, here's the map of 27700 Lagoon Dr., where the officer found Bryce in Buttonwillow:

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  • #537
Just for a visual, here's the map of 27700 Lagoon Dr., where the officer found Bryce in Buttonwillow:

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Thank you for the map. From my understanding, that is where the phone was pinged, not necessarily where he was found. There was a certain radius around that point that his cell phone could have actually been when it was pinged. (Perhaps someone who knows more about cellphone pings can give more information?)
 
  • #538
Thank you for the map. From my understanding, that is where the phone was pinged, not necessarily where he was found. There was a certain radius around that point that his cell phone could have actually been when it was pinged. (Perhaps someone who knows more about cellphone pings can give more information?)
I think it's a 1 mile radius- will have to check with hubby later.
 
  • #539
Thank you for the map. From my understanding, that is where the phone was pinged, not necessarily where he was found. There was a certain radius around that point that his cell phone could have actually been when it was pinged. (Perhaps someone who knows more about cellphone pings can give more information?)

You're right, the incident report says he was at Hwy 58/Fwy 5 (at hotel) which is right in that immediate vicinity.
 
  • #540
Huge for me was the fact that she wanted to fly out there and he told her no. Now why would it be such a big deal that he broke up with his girlfriend that would make her think it was necessary to fly out there? It makes me think he was fragile to begin with. Which would make any mother worry. jmo

I think it's because he was not acting right- hence the key thing. I think mom was hearing from people who thought something wa wrong and that alarmed her.

(The bold above is my response)

I know there have been posts eluding to it being the girlfriend who took the keys but it never seemed verified to me. Or totally clear. But my post is going off only the initial reports - which may be mistaken...or not. Sometimes the most honest info you get is right at the beginning, before people have had time to reflect.
 
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