CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[Whiteorchids]

in discussing this very case with my grad school (chem) son, he admitted using much more of it than he'd previously confessed to. i realize its gotta be hard on drag to read these things but the reality is that Bryce was found *near* a strip of motels, seen at truck stops, a college student... i'm sorry but they all point to drugs. it has got to be a consideration at the very least.

Yes, we grew up in OC Ca my son went to college in Sacramento, lots of drugs there against my better judgement. He wanted to be near his Father and be on the wakeboarding team. He never drank or did drugs until he went to that college it started with Adderall. When he would come to visit us on that same drive Bryce took which should have been on about 6 hours would become DAYS before we heard from him or the cops. Guess what? You know where he ended up most of the time? You guessed it the motels, hotels Aka crack hotels along I5 or the cops would call that he overturned his truck in a ditch. Thank god they always found him either swimming in the lake, Castaic was one he ended up sometimes, or hiding in a tree or bush because that Adderall, Vyanese makes you PARANOID!!!! Most of the time the drug addicts, tweakers hang around outside hotels, or in the back per what my Son told us. Bryce could have been waiting to buy some. This sounds all too familiar to me.


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[2Hope4]

He apparently had no or little cash. Therefore, just how was he going to get a hooker? And WHY would he want one, when had a beautiful girlfriend? That makes zero sense to me!

Drugs, yea, maybe. Maybe was sent to pick up drugs for his buds at college. I've read that happens, but don't know how realistic it is.

However, even if looking at that angle, it doesn't tell us where Bryce is. Unless the DNA comes back NOT being Bryce's, we have to assume he was in the vehicle, and wrecked. If facts eventually prove otherwise, we'll we would need to look at another aspect that maybe someone did something to him drug related. But we don't have anything at this point to put us in that direction, IMO.

As my screen name says... 2 Hope 4... that's the best the family/friends can do. Hope for the best!! And unless you have a body to prove otherwise, you hold onto that HOPE that Bryce is somewhere! Whether willingly or not, he's not been found, thus is still missing!!

 

[dragracerz]

Why do you think hookers or drugs are a DARK angle that has him dead????

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Of course not.

 

[edwin]

I have been on here trying to post facts and not keep any information from anyone (as long as it wouldn't hinder an invegtigation), and have given a lot of info not available anywhere else, in hopes that someone on WS could come up with more than I was thinking. I have gained a lot from WS, and for that I thank all on here, but,I don't know, maybe I am too emotionally involved and don't belong on this site.

TO DRAGRACERZ:

Sir, whatever you decide re: being on this site, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your dedication and clearly deep love for Bryce during this very difficult time for you and the rest of your family. You have shown such patience, kindness, intelligence, and resourcefulness in a situation where there is no clear "playbook".

Thank you so, so much for everything you have done for your nephew and the rest of your family, including, certainly, tons of things that we do not know about.

Sincerely,
the user known as Edwin

 

[dragracerz]

The topic should be "Where is Bryce" not "Why did he go missing"


I know that it is not only my opinion, and others feel this way also

 

[SDHELPS]

@ dragracerz

Have all of the sightings in Oregon been ruled out? The best you can do with the information you do have is to eliminate those that are taking all of your time. The fact that you are considering all of the scenario's you stated tells me that the family is looking at other options than just BL having amnesia and wandering. IMO this is unlikely yet I understand the families wish for it to be the best possible scenario. I'm sure reading all of the posts here is at time uncomfortable and your input is greatly appreciated...

 

[beach]

Temporarily closed for review. Will re-open shortly.

 

[Jo in Calif]

The topic should be "Where is Bryce" not "Why did he go missing"


I know that it is not only my opinion, and others feel this way also

Sometimes the "why" will lead to the "where."

 

[beach]

Temporarily closed for review. Will re-open shortly.

:bump:

 

[beach]

Okay, re-opening now.

Please be conscious about addressing others personally. Everyone is not going to agree on what is considered relevant to the investigation. We brainstorm here and people have different ideas about the weight to give certain facts.

It is never okay to divulge things told to you privately via email, PM, etc... here in the public forum.

Focus on the common goal - Locating Bryce.

With that in mind, please post respectfully - the common goal is locating Bryce.

:tyou:

 

[AmandaFast]

Quester would you please alter the time line when you get on to reflect that the motel was the closest address to the ping however he was not actually found at a motel per dragracerz?



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[LinasK]

The first thing I thought when I heard Bryce might have been hanging out in the parking lot of a motel by a truck stop in Buttonwillow was drugs and hookers (NOT because of Bryce, I would have thought that of ANYONE found doing the same.....I guess truck stops just seem seedy to me), the second was Internet access. That's my two cents.

Some truck stops are okay- used by lots of normal people. There are 2 in particular that we use alot when traveling from L.A. to the Bay Area and back. They are okay to stop for a meal, use the restroom, use the mini-mart, and get gas. The Travel A in Santa Nella, and the Flying J in Frazier Park.

 

[2Hope4]

Many moons ago, my sister and I had went to an amusement park. It was late, and we were tired, so we decided to stay a motel. Well, there was a sign and the room was cheap, so we went in. It wasn't until later that night, when we got 3 calls from the front desk checking on us that we realized something was wrong. We were at a truck stop!!! She was 19, I was 16 and had no clue what danger we could have been in!

Young people do stupid things all the time. Usually we survive them. But unfortunately, there's evil around that is just waiting on that one wrong move for them to take advantage!!!

I never told my parents about that motel until a few weeks ago. I'm over 40 now. Figured it was safe to tell since I was on the phone, and Mom can't ground me now.

But the FACT remains BRYCE WASN'T STAYING AT A HOTEL!

Wherever he may be now... it worries me.

Are any volunteer searches still being done near Castaic or Buttonwillow?

 

[LinasK]

Many moons ago, my sister and I had went to an amusement park. It was late, and we were tired, so we decided to stay a motel. Well, there was a sign and the room was cheap, so we went in. It wasn't until later that night, when we got 3 calls from the front desk checking on us that we realized something was wrong. We were at a truck stop!!! She was 19, I was 16 and had no clue what danger we could have been in!

Young people do stupid things all the time. Usually we survive them. But unfortunately, there's evil around that is just waiting on that one wrong move for them to take advantage!!!

I never told my parents about that motel until a few weeks ago. I'm over 40 now. Figured it was safe to tell since I was on the phone, and Mom can't ground me now.

But the FACT remains BRYCE WASN'T STAYING AT A HOTEL!

Wherever he may be now... it worries me.

Are any volunteer searches still being done near Castaic or Buttonwillow?

Why was staying at a truck stop any more dangerous than any other motel??

 

[Voice4theSilent]

All along even though I helped search I had a bad feeling that he didn't make it

After I heard about the drug conviction even though it is a very small amount I was actually relieved!! That tells me there's a chance he just did something stupid and is worried about consequences.

Despite you thinking these scenarios are bad, any scenario that has him being alive, is a great one.

I have tons of ideas on how to go about checking this angle. As a matter of fact I emailed KL and told her I had run away myself and thought I could be of assistance.

You may think people are just annoying, nosey and intrusive at times, but the bottom line is, one these scenarios may just bring him home.

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I don't think it was proven to be a very small amount. Going back to the information from the Illinois attorney, unless I was misunderstanding the information he posted, it wasn't a "very small amount."

 

[ktgirl]

I just want to say, as someone who works at a university and has been a college student (bachelors then grad school) for a decade:

I've never heard of a student needing to go any further than campus or the surrounding area that's populated by students if a student wanted drugs, especially something like Vyvanse. There's probably some guy down the hall in the dorm who has a prescription he doesn't use who sells it. No need to drive hours away to shady hotels or truck stops.

I think the possibility that Vyvanse/lack of sleep/raised body temps/thirst it can cause disoriented Bryce are real possibilities, but I don't think he stopped in Buttonwillow for some sort of drug deal. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I just want to say, as someone who works at a university and has been a college student (bachelors then grad school) for a decade:

I've never heard of a student needing to go any further than campus or the surrounding area that's populated by students if a student wanted drugs, especially something like Vyvanse. There's probably some guy down the hall in the dorm who has a prescription he doesn't use who sells it. No need to drive hours away to shady hotels or truck stops.

I think the possibility that Vyvanse/lack of sleep/raised body temps/thirst it can cause disoriented Bryce are real possibilities, but I don't think he stopped in Buttonwillow for some sort of drug deal. JMO.

Probably not, unless he was actually selling drugs, it might be a place to replenish. The amount of time he seems to have spent there is bewildering.

 

[SDHELPS]

I just want to say, as someone who works at a university and has been a college student (bachelors then grad school) for a decade:

I've never heard of a student needing to go any further than campus or the surrounding area that's populated by students if a student wanted drugs, especially something like Vyvanse. There's probably some guy down the hall in the dorm who has a prescription he doesn't use who sells it. No need to drive hours away to shady hotels or truck stops.

I think the possibility that Vyvanse/lack of sleep/raised body temps/thirst it can cause disoriented Bryce are real possibilities, but I don't think he stopped in Buttonwillow for some sort of drug deal. JMO.

I would have to agree ktgirl. IMO I believe the unaccounted hours spent in Buttonwillow were in part a stall tactic for BL. His mother is now aware of his location and perhaps that has created a change in plans. Also hence him not answering his phone on many occasions. I would not rule out that he had another phone and was actually in contact with "someone" familiar SCV/Castaic and a new plan had to be hatched. We are still not positive Bryce was in the car when it went over. The fact that his car was spotted 2 times in the location of the crash still boggles my mind! Perhaps more planning went into this than we know... JMO :maddening:

 

[gitana1]

The thing is, if he looks and is perfectly fine, would people tend to think it must not be him, since they are indicating medical issues?

(I don't happen to believe he IS fine...but I guess they feel the lake area is "cleared".)

I have never known of one "medical needs" missing person who had a visible medical need. Not one. They have ALL been either medications needed, Alzheimer's, autism or other cognitive issue. I think we should focus not on what we think aligns with our theories or doing whatever we can to prove our own opinions correct, but look at ways to find this kid.

Sad to report that WS Missing Person
Nick Steward"s car was located last night and shortly thereafter his body was found in an adjoining wooded area. He had apparently slashed his extremities and his neck in a successful suicide. Tox screens will take 2 weeks and official coroners report is pending. He leaves behind a wife and one year old son, family, friends and those of us who as strangers brainstormed for 2 weeks trying to make sense of him vanishing into thin air.


"You get two things in life, the things you ask for and the things you are afraid of."
Reverend Terry Cole Whittaker

Oh. That's terrible news, Smart.

I agree that amnesia seems unlikely. Not impossible, I suppose, and certainly one of the better options for his parents, but to me, not very realistic. I just can't believe he has not been found, if he is alive and not actually hiding. JMO

But again, I've cited about a dozen cases of people with dissasociative fugue or young people with some other issue who disappeared for weeks, seemingly with no resources, who survived and came home weeks, sometimes even months later, but who weren't found even though people were looking. Are you discounting that possibility based on stats? The odds of being able to stay missing even if obviously confused and without resources? Because I get that but we do have a huge homeless population on the west coast who help each other but who outsiders tend to shy from and we have also seen here, repeatedly, that lots of people still don't know Bryce is missing, including an officer!

As usual nothing about the DNA or laptop results. UNBELIEVABLE.

Please have LE make contact with the 10 local registered sex offenders.

I agree with Cat Fancier about the lake. Body of 19 year old McDaniel was found 150 feet down at Castaic Lake. They only searched 80 feet for Bryce

http://diver.net/bbs/posts001/56739.shtml

Well, that info does shatter some of my beliefs about the lake. The article states it is murky at the bottom so sonar was needed to find the body. Also, despite it being August when that person drowned, the body stayed below for four days.

However, it has been much longer than 4 days here. He would nO longer be at the bottom unless held down. And as you all know, I feel that is very unlikely. Not impossible, though.

Why is it in high profile cases. The results are back much quicker?


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Even in the high profile cases in L.A., things go very slowly. Very. Los Angeles county is a mess.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree. For my sons sake, I would not put 'mental illness' or 'schizophrenic' or 'diabetic' etc on a missing poster for him because frankly it is not something that he would want the entire nation to know! Not only that, but it would hope that some day he would be able to seek employment etc without a medical label following him around. I think the family should be very careful about what all is put out there for the public eye as this will not only follow him around for a life time, but could also embarrass him which would deter him from wanting to come home once he is better.

Bryce is young, he has his whole future ahead of him. I'd hate to see that future ruined because a few people think they have the right to know what his medical needs are. Jmo, moo

Excellent post. Thank you.

Do you know if it's common place for companies to release that kind of information without a subpena?

They wouldn't but since the card was in the parents' name, they don't need a subpoena. The company should be willing to provide the info upon request of the parents.

I think the best thing his family can do at this point is to hire a really good PI, if they haven't already.

That's smart advice. I wholeheartedly support LE but they do not have a good track record in these kinds of cases, in L.A. They are way too overburdened.

Bryce was not at a motel. When they pinged his phone, the closest address was a motel. Officers responding did not find him at a motel.

Thank you so much for clearing that up!

I understand that, and am onboard with those points, but what is the point ?

The way I see it is like this:

Even if he obtained drugs from a truck stop, motel, or somewhere else, would that really identify what happened, I think not, and here's why:

1. he could have obtained drugs, crashed, sustained a head injury and wandered off
2. he could have obtained drugs , had a plan to disappear, and disappeared
3. he could have obtained drugs, went to the lake and committed suicide

I know these 3 scenarios are all possible, but how does that help find Bryce or figure out what happened ? Am I missing something ?

Yes. Initially, people surmised that foul play could have occurred that originated in Buttonwillow. Some even wondered if Bryce ever made it to Castaic at all, thinking someone may have harmed him and dumped his vehicle.

I think some still wonder if he was a hostage or something, at the time h e called his mom in Castaic. So if he met up with people in Buttonwillow, those people hold the key to where Bryce could be. I do not share this theory, btw.

@ DRAGRACERZ:

I don't know whether you have seen Bryce's phone, or whether the police have discussed the contents with you, but is there any chance that there is an app called Tinder or Grindr on his phone?

Either of these apps could be a way that Bryce could have met people in Buttonwillow, Castaic, or anywhere else along the way. Something to explore...

I am happy to provide more info on what Tinder and Grindr are if you like.

We are not talking about a possible gay aspect on here and I guarantee LE knows about those and would have searched his phone for those or anything else.

 

[slowpoke]

I am not hiding anything. Yes Bryce took VyVanse on a couple occasions, That I know of.
Yes, I am sure you can get it at motels, truck stops etc.
The FACT remains that he was not found at a motel
I am just trying to keep people on track here and not put too much overthought of him being at a motel, with a hooker, or buying drugs, etc

@ Dragracerz:
Thank you for clarifying that the dispatch report's reference to Bryce being "at a hotel" meant he and his car were simply located near or by a motel. That one little prepositional word "at" did get my mind thinking of the possibilities.

I only thought that if he did spend time at (in) a motel, other people may have had a conversation with him there (front desk, other guests, housekeeping), and Bryce might have mentioned something that would give a clue as to his current whereabouts, or anything about his travel plan.

I'm sorry if my asking caused further distress. It certainly wasn't intended.