CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[Voice4theSilent]

I'm so confused (which isn't saying much!) Did his car roll those 300+ feet before the 15 foot drop off or did he drive over the brush and then roll over the 15 foot drop off (or isn't that brush there anymore?)

RiverKing - Are you saying his truck overturned fairly closely to the tower and not 300' away, down the 15 foot drop off area closer to the Main Boat Ramp road?

TIA

 

[AmandaFast]

ok, wow, not sure how that differs from what I have been saying

You were talking to RiverKing not me! I never said the accident happened the way he did.

 

[AmandaFast]

The confusion is this:

When you go to the scene, NO brush is touched, it literally looks like nothing has been driven over it. A few people who claimed they were there, say they saw the tow truck pulling the SUV from the back of the tower, literally the back, 10' away at most. They pulled it up and then towed it away through the guardrail.

The police say it happened differently. They claim he drove down the 300' when he continued to the road, and fell off the 15' embankment nose first.

He did not end up at the road in either scenario, in front of the guardrail. In both scenarios he ends up BEHIND the tower.

ETA: The flatter grass you see in the photo, right by the tower, is another 15' or so drop off, this is the one that RK is referring to. BTW, the 300' is NOT flat land, it is raised elevation, a drop off (by the tower), more raised elevation, and then finally another drop off (by the road).

 

[AmandaFast]

There is no cliff on the front side of the guardrail, there is a graveled road there. You can attempt to drive around it, but after you get passed the right side of it, the area is VERY slim and a car can barely get around it. You then have to go down that first embankment, and make it without flipping the car.

RK's theory is that because of the untouched gravel, and the fact that the 300' is elevated, that the damage would be so horrible, you would not be able to walk from it.

 

[moonstone]

i grew up in that area and know Castaic well but i'm on the opposite coast now :/ would be there in a heartbeat if i were local cos i feel strongly that Buttonwood holds some important clues. thanks So much Amanda & RK for taking this on. good luck!!

Same with me, but now in the NW. Thanks Amanda and Riverking for all of your efforts!!!

 

[Voice4theSilent]

The confusion is this:

When you go to the scene, NO brush is touched, it literally looks like nothing has been driven over it. A few people who claimed they were there, say they saw the tow truck pulling the SUV from the back of the tower, literally the back, 10' away at most. They pulled it up and then towed it away through the guardrail.

The police say it happened differently. They claim he drove down the 300' when he continued to the road, and fell off the 15' embankment nose first.

He did not end up at the road in either scenario, in front of the guardrail. In both scenarios he ends up BEHIND the tower.

ETA: The flatter grass you see in the photo, right by the tower, is another 15' or so drop off, this is the one that RK is referring to. BTW, the 300' is NOT flat land, it is raised elevation, a drop off (by the tower), more raised elevation, and then finally another drop off (by the road).

So neither scenarios (RK's and LE) have him landing on the road/dirt of Main Ramp Road?

 

[AmandaFast]

Dragracerz sends his thanks, and wants you to know, that he is extremely busy working on things for Bryce to post, but will ASAP.

 

[Riverking21]

I'm so confused (which isn't saying much!) Did his car roll those 300+ feet before the 15 foot drop off or did he drive over the brush and then roll over the 15 foot drop off (or isn't that brush there anymore?)

RiverKing - Are you saying his truck overturned fairly closely to the tower and not 300' away, down the 15 foot drop off area closer to the Main Boat Ramp road?

TIA

That's exactly what I'm saying. If he went down that way he would've crushed the brush and there was no damage or tire marks to show he even hit the brush.

 

[AmandaFast]

So neither scenarios (RK's and LE) have him landing on the road/dirt of Main Ramp Road?

No, they both have him landing there. The back of the tower is Main Ramp Road, front of the Tower is Lake Hughes Rd.

 

[BluePoppy]

The confusion is this:

When you go to the scene, NO brush is touched, it literally looks like nothing has been driven over it. A few people who claimed they were there, say they saw the tow truck pulling the SUV from the back of the tower, literally the back, 10' away at most. They pulled it up and then towed it away through the guardrail.

The police say it happened differently. They claim he drove down the 300' when he continued to the road, and fell off the 15' embankment nose first.

He did not end up at the road in either scenario, in front of the guardrail. In both scenarios he ends up BEHIND the tower.

ETA: The flatter grass you see in the photo, right by the tower, is another 15' or so drop off, this is the one that RK is referring to. BTW, the 300' is NOT flat land, it is raised elevation, a drop off (by the tower), more raised elevation, and then finally another drop off (by the road).

BBM Ok. So there seems to be a lot of support to the new (to us) idea that Bryce only went down the first drop & stopped. Including here you saying more people say they saw the car towed up right where the tower is.

I don't think anyone thought Bryce ended up in front of the guard rail, but the thought from very early on was that he ended up in the dirt at the bottom of the 2nd drop off on the shoulder of Main Ramp Rd.

There is no cliff on the front side of the guardrail, there is a graveled road there. You can attempt to drive around it, but after you get passed the right side of it, the area is VERY slim and a car can barely get around it. You then have to go down that first embankment, and make it without flipping the car.

RK's theory is that because of the untouched gravel, and the fact that the 300' is elevated, that the damage would be so horrible, you would not be able to walk from it.

BBM This is what Yellow Camaro described so vividly. In his opinion, Bryce attempted to drive around the back side where it was too narrow & the dirt too soft. (Drag also confirmed via Glenn that it was that back side) He tried to back up & get out of there when he rolled off. He stated he saw the tire tracks where Bryce went down.

So the question remains. What is the glass / tail light debris at the very bottom on the side of the road? Why is there multiple people saying the car was towed up the hill via the cell tower area?

Dragracerz! Where are you??? LOL!

 

[Riverking21]

I'm so confused (which isn't saying much!) Did his car roll those 300+ feet before the 15 foot drop off or did he drive over the brush and then roll over the 15 foot drop off (or isn't that brush there anymore?)

RiverKing - Are you saying his truck overturned fairly closely to the tower and not 300' away, down the 15 foot drop off area closer to the Main Boat Ramp road?

TIA

No, they both have him landing there. The back of the tower is Main Ramp Road, front of the Tower is Lake Hughes Rd.

But what I'm saying is the SUV never made it to the road unless it rolled down after the initial impact. But still wouldn't explain the drag marks from the tow truck. If it was on the main launch ramp road there would be no reason to tow it up that direction. The initial report I don't remember who locates the SUV and calls it in but I think I remember someone saying that it was a road worker or possibly someone doing maintenance on the tower and if that's the case they would've seen it there and not below in the road unless they walked behind the tower and looked down as the cliff kinda blocks the view to the road. Hope that makes sense

 

[BluePoppy]

So neither scenarios (RK's and LE) have him landing on the road/dirt of Main Ramp Road?

No, they both have him landing there. The back of the tower is Main Ramp Road, front of the Tower is Lake Hughes Rd.

Amanda / RiverKing - I thought RK's whole scenario is that Bryce stopped at the bottom of the first drop not far from the tower & never made it to the 2nd drop?

ETA: RK cross posted with me & answered. Thanks!

 

[2Hope4]

No matter how the accident happened, or didn't happen, or whatnot///// WHERE IS BRYCE????

 

[AmandaFast]

BBM Ok. So there seems to be a lot of support to the new (to us) idea that Bryce only went down the first drop & stopped. Including here you saying more people say they saw the car towed up right where the tower is.

I don't think anyone thought Bryce ended up in front of the guard rail, but the thought from very early on was that he ended up in the dirt at the bottom of the 2nd drop off on the shoulder of Main Ramp Rd.



BBM This is what Yellow Camaro described so vividly. In his opinion, Bryce attempted to drive around the back side where it was too narrow & the dirt too soft. (Drag also confirmed via Glenn that it was that back side) He tried to back up & get out of there when he rolled off. He stated he saw the tire tracks where Bryce went down.

So the question remains. What is the glass / tail light debris at the very bottom on the side of the road? Why is there multiple people saying the car was towed up the hill via the cell tower area?

Dragracerz! Where are you??? LOL!

I wonder if it happened when the tow truck pulled it up? Someone noted earlier that it was in a sweep pile, or seemed like it, maybe that was just all swept together after the tow.

 

[Riverking21]

Amanda / RiverKing - I thought RK's whole scenario is that Bryce stopped at the bottom of the first drop not far from the tower & never made it to the 2nd drop?

Yes that is the case I'm just stating if it were possible that it was on the actual road below (launch ramp road) then it more then likely already exited the vehicle because if he went over and rolled down with the SUV I don't see how you walk away from a 300 foot roll and 15-20 drop off at the end. That's a massive impact with no airbags deployed?

 

[Riverking21]

No matter how the accident happened, or didn't happen, or whatnot///// WHERE IS BRYCE????

I disagree I think it matters for a number if reasons injury mindset etc...

 

[AmandaFast]

Amanda / RiverKing - I thought RK's whole scenario is that Bryce stopped at the bottom of the first drop not far from the tower & never made it to the 2nd drop?

ETA: RK cross posted with me & answered. Thanks!

Gosh I need to reread my posts before posting them, seriously. I meant that they both have him toward the back of the tower TOWARD MR Rd, not ON MR Rd.

A few people on here now have mentioned it on Lake Hughes Rd., including even a missing poster I saw. This is where the confusion lies. Multiple people saw the tow truck on Lake Hughes Rd. and assumed that's where the accident happened. This goes with RK's theory, along with what other's have told me, which is that a tow truck pulled the car up, and towed it from Lake Hughes Rd., leading some to believe this is where the accident took place.

 

[kevsrebla]

The confusion is this:

When you go to the scene, NO brush is touched, it literally looks like nothing has been driven over it. A few people who claimed they were there, say they saw the tow truck pulling the SUV from the back of the tower, literally the back, 10' away at most. They pulled it up and then towed it away through the guardrail.

The police say it happened differently. They claim he drove down the 300' when he continued to the road, and fell off the 15' embankment nose first.

He did not end up at the road in either scenario, in front of the guardrail. In both scenarios he ends up BEHIND the tower.

ETA: The flatter grass you see in the photo, right by the tower, is another 15' or so drop off, this is the one that RK is referring to. BTW, the 300' is NOT flat land, it is raised elevation, a drop off (by the tower), more raised elevation, and then finally another drop off (by the road).

Good description, TY, making more sense and is total conflict to the reports I posted. Amazing how much MSM and LE reports can be off from the truth.

 

[AmandaFast]

Actually we keep saying it doesn't matter where it happened, and such and such , and I just realized something HUGE.

Me along with quite a few people, were searching near MR Rd. NOT Lake Hughes rd. I think I need to go back and search Lake Hughes Rd, arggggg.

Maybe the reason I couldn't find any debris was because we were searching the wrong spot, not because of the amazing clean up job!!

 

[kevsrebla]

That's exactly what I'm saying. If he went down that way he would've crushed the brush and there was no damage or tire marks to show he even hit the brush.

Starting to understand this better now but I still wonder about how the 15ft or so ledge by MR rd in the pics seems to have some crushed brush and drag marks in the dirt. Must be from another source or part of search.