CA - Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges against John Mark Karr dismissed

[panthera]

Geez, less than one week after Wendy Hutchens sent him the above photos, Karr's computer was seized.


If the pictures that Wendy sent Karr, while working with Petaluma/Sonoma County LE, were the child pictures, then although I am not intimately familiar with the law, it seems as if there may very well be an entrapment issue there.

If there is an entrapment issue, we can be assured that Karr's present attorneys will be very aggressive in having these charges dismissed.

It certainly appears that this could be entrapment. It seems more than coincidental that LE would know anything about Karr, especially to seize the computer within such a short proximity of time, without Wendy Hutchens "assistance". My own opinion, but I wouldn't trust her with any information; she just appears dishonest.

 

[panthera]

We were discussing the Thailand laptop computer, as being off limits to CA. Sonoma should still have the computer/evidence seized in April, 2001. Let's see what develops now. The trial begins in only three weeks.

I know you were, but I was asking about doing an enhanced search on the computer involved in the 2001 charges. If the enhanced search techniques weren't available 5 years ago, is it legal to do them now?

 

[panthera]

There's something about Wendy Hutchens......her rubbing shoulders with Polly Klaas's killer and talking with someone like John Karr for hours upon hours.........that makes me suspicious of her motives. I know that she was a childhood friend of Polly Klaas's killer - Richard Allen Davies, but I think most people wouldn't consider that as something to be proud of or capitalize on.

I personally find that woman very scary and wouldn't want to be alone in the same room with her. Anyone who claims that R.A. Davis is her "friend" and be able to talk with Karr for hours about child and lust for children is absolutely sickening.

 

[i.b.nora]

That right there is all the makings of a made for trailer park movie.

Speaking of trailer parks, Wayne Adam Ford (the serial killer that Wendy claims to have talked into giving himself up) was apparently living in a trailer park according to Wendy's father who claimed to have been in the very same trailer park just one week before.
I seldom read at CourtTV, but I wouldn't be surprised if Frank the father has been posting there.
He also has his own website, wendyhutchens.info which has gone through drastic changes in the last 24 hours due to threats of some sort. Unclear if the threats are from Wendy, or AJ, or both. This is all more than you wanted to know, I am sure.
I think they are all freaks. But, they are mildly entertaining and might make a good trailer park movie.
Where is Larry Garrison when there is such a great opportunity for money looming?

 

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Speaking of trailer parks, Wayne Adam Ford (the serial killer that Wendy claims to have talked into giving himself up) was apparently living in a trailer park according to Wendy's father who claimed to have been in the very same trailer park just one week before.
I seldom read at CourtTV, but I wouldn't be surprised if Frank the father has been posting there.
He also has his own website, wendyhutchens.info which has gone through drastic changes in the last 24 hours due to threats of some sort. Unclear if the threats are from Wendy, or AJ, or both. This is all more than you wanted to know, I am sure.
I think they are all freaks. But, they are mildly entertaining and might make a good trailer park movie.
Where is Larry Garrison when there is such a great opportunity for money looming?

Just for sheets and giggles, I read through the Wendy archives at crimerant. Lord have mercy. If Wendy Hutchens is going to be the main witness against Karr, his defense attorneys are going to have a field day. IMO, the only thing that will convict him is an already tainted jury pool that just wants to "send a message".

And I still want to know what became of the Thailand laptop.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I know you were, but I was asking about doing an enhanced search on the computer involved in the 2001 charges. If the enhanced search techniques weren't available 5 years ago, is it legal to do them now?

Sonoma County can research John Mark Karr's April, 2001 seized hard drive as many times as they care to. If they find something that doesn't have Wendy Hutchens M.O. all over it, they will stand a much better chance of convicting Karr.

The upcoming trial almost seems that it is going to as much about Wendy Hutchens, as it is about John Mark Karr.

 

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Sonoma County can research John Mark Karr's April, 2001 seized hard drive as many times as they care to. If they find something that doesn't have Wendy Hutchens M.O. all over it, they will stand a much better chance of convicting Karr.

The upcoming trial almost seems that it is going to as much about Wendy Hutchens, as it is about John Mark Karr.

Wouldn't jeopardy issues come up? I mean, had he not fled, even if he had been found guilty on the 5 misdemeanors, he would have long been released from custody and his hard drive would have been returned, wouldn't it? I would think they couldn't just keep his hard drive and search it with new technology and continuing to arrest him, could they?

 

[Buzz Mills]

Wouldn't jeopardy issues come up? I mean, had he not fled, even if he had been found guilty on the 5 misdemeanors, he would have long been released from custody and his hard drive would have been returned, wouldn't it? I would think they couldn't just keep his hard drive and search it with new technology and continuing to arrest him, could they?

lhl, Karr hasn't yet been tried on the evidence that exists on that 2001 confiscated hard drive, so it wouldn't be a double jeapardy issue. Any new evidence that can be gained against Karr, using anything confiscated from him in 2001, should be perfectly legal to be used in his October, 2006 trial. At least that is my best guess.

 

[Leila]

Sonoma County can research John Mark Karr's April, 2001 seized hard drive as many times as they care to. If they find something that doesn't have Wendy Hutchens M.O. all over it, they will stand a much better chance of convicting Karr.

The upcoming trial almost seems that it is going to as much about Wendy Hutchens, as it is about John Mark Karr.

Maybe that's the motivation for doing an enhanced search of Karr's harddrive. They may only have material that can be directly linked to Wendy Hutchens. So they're hoping an enhanced search will turn up something that was on Karr's harddrive prior to his conversations and emails with Wendy. The defense is going to claim set-up. So they have to find something that's completely unrelated to Wendy Hutchens.

 

[Camper]

Maybe that's the motivation for doing an enhanced search of Karr's harddrive. They may only have material that can be directly linked to Wendy Hutchens. So they're hoping an enhanced search will turn up something that was on Karr's harddrive prior to his conversations and emails with Wendy. The defense is going to claim set-up. So they have to find something that's completely unrelated to Wendy Hutchens.

--->>>I find myself just randomly wondering IF IF there is a remote chance LE might find pics of JonBenet on his hard drive?

Guess time will tell us that.

Solving Cyber crime is STILL a new and evolving art.

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[lighthouselover]

--->>>I find myself just randomly wondering IF IF there is a remote chance LE might find pics of JonBenet on his hard drive?

Guess time will tell us that.

Solving Cyber crime is STILL a new and evolving art.

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He may very well have pictures of JonBenet (as well as Polly Klaas) on his hard drive, but there's no law that says you can't save photos to your drive. Only if JonBenet's image was photoshopped into a pornographic image that he shared online would it turn into a crime. However, if that were the case, Boulder would have or should have acted back in 2001 when they were made aware that John Mark Karr even existed.

 

[Camper]

He may very well have pictures of JonBenet (as well as Polly Klaas) on his hard drive, but there's no law that says you can't save photos to your drive. Only if JonBenet's image was photoshopped into a pornographic image that he shared online would it turn into a crime. However, if that were the case, Boulder would have or should have acted back in 2001 when they were made aware that John Mark Karr even existed.

--->>>Well yep, a one celled amoeba would know you can have pictures of PEOPLE on your hard drive.

I meant pornographic pics of course.

When BPD did not know HOW to secure a CRIME scene, I rather doubt that they were smart enough to check the hard drives.

As many pieces of 'evidence' in the Ramsey case, were walked right out the door, WE donut know what might have been 'mobile' evidence that would not show up on their HARD DRIVES.

IT might mean that Karr down loaded something from someone who actually had a mobile disk.

I hope they find something that will HANG someone involved in the Ramsey case.

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[Buzz Mills]

Karr's Lawyers Consider Change of Venue

Santa Rosa, Calif. -- John Karr's lawyers may seek a change of venue for their client, a man who once claimed involvement in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Karr now faces charges of child , but as his attorneys told KCBS reporter Bob Melrose, finding an impartial jury could be tricky.

"Mr. Karr has a right to a fair trial," said one of three of Karr's lawyers. "It's going to be impossible to find people who don't know Mr. Karr. What we need to do is find people who have not yet formed an opinion about his guilt or innocence."

Karr is charged with five counts of misdemeanor child in Sonoma County. It would be rare to have a change of venue in a misdemeanor case, but attorneys for Karr point out the huge amount of media coverage in recent weeks. They say they aren't asking for sympathy for Karr, merely the same circumstances he faced in his original 2001 trial.

Motions in the case resume next week.Karr confessed to involvement in the Ramsey case after Colorado authorities named him as a suspect, but DNA evidence did not match.

http://kcbs.com/pages/83899.php?contentType=4&contentId=206297

 

[panthera]

Karr's Lawyers Consider Change of Venue

Santa Rosa, Calif. -- John Karr's lawyers may seek a change of venue for their client, a man who once claimed involvement in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Karr now faces charges of child , but as his attorneys told KCBS reporter Bob Melrose, finding an impartial jury could be tricky.

"Mr. Karr has a right to a fair trial," said one of three of Karr's lawyers. "It's going to be impossible to find people who don't know Mr. Karr. What we need to do is find people who have not yet formed an opinion about his guilt or innocence."

Karr is charged with five counts of misdemeanor child in Sonoma County. It would be rare to have a change of venue in a misdemeanor case, but attorneys for Karr point out the huge amount of media coverage in recent weeks. They say they aren't asking for sympathy for Karr, merely the same circumstances he faced in his original 2001 trial.

Motions in the case resume next week.Karr confessed to involvement in the Ramsey case after Colorado authorities named him as a suspect, but DNA evidence did not match.

http://kcbs.com/pages/83899.php?contentType=4&contentId=206297http://kcbs.com/pages/83899.php?contentType=4&contentId=206297

Where would they move it to ~ wouldn't there be the same knowledge about JMK anywhere within the state? I could understand the expense for moving a felony trial (such as a high-profile murder case) but for five misdemeanor charges? It is quite unusual!

 

[panthera]

Wouldn't jeopardy issues come up? I mean, had he not fled, even if he had been found guilty on the 5 misdemeanors, he would have long been released from custody and his hard drive would have been returned, wouldn't it? I would think they couldn't just keep his hard drive and search it with new technology and continuing to arrest him, could they?

That is the same question I was also asking!

 

[Buzz Mills]

Does anyone remember who the investigating officers were in the Wendy Hutchens/John Mark Karr episode in 2001?? Also, does Wendy, on her website, talk about when Karr first contacted her?? and when She first contacted LE?? I'll add the info to the Timeline.

2000 - December, through March 2001, he worked in the Petaluma, Old Adobe, Liberty and Wilmar elementary districts as a substitute school teacher.

2001 – early in year, John Mark Karr contacts Wendy Hutchens re: Richard Allan Davis (murdered Polly Klaas in October, 1993, now on Death Row in San Quentin, awaiting execution). Hutchens worked as an informant for Sonoma County Sheriff's Detective Beau Martin, wearing a wire and taping conversations and saving e-mail messages from Karr. The material she gathered was the basis for a search warrant that investigators say resulted in the discovery of child in Karr's computer.

Sun 3/25 11:17 pm E-Mail John Karr Alyssa

image: AJFardella 3105174507
Wed 3/28 4:21 am E-Mail Wendy Hutchens Pictures of Alyssa 1 of 4
Wed 3/28 4:23 am E-Mail Wendy Hutchens Pictures of Alyssa 2 of 4
Wed 3/28 4:24 am E-Mail Wendy Hutchens Pictures of Alyssa 3 of 4
Wed 3/28 5:36 am E-Mail Wendy Hutchens Pictures of Alyssa 4 of 4

Fri 3/30 8:24 pm E-Mail Wendy Hutchens Alyssa says Hi!

2001 - April 3, Sonoma County Sheriff’s deputies seized a computer at Karr’s Petaluma home containing five pornographic images of children. The Superintendent of Sonoma County schools, Carl Wong, told NBC11 News that Karr taught K-6 grades between Dec. 8, 2000, and April 2, 2001.

2001 – April 13: Karr was arrested, and jailed, on five misdemeanor charges of possession of child (California Penal Code Section 311.11), and was booked into Sonoma County Jail on $100,000 bail.

2001 - - April 17: Karr pleaded not guilty to the charges, according to court documents

2001 – April 19, Karr's wife Lara filed for divorce

2001 – Oct. 5: After a series of court hearings, Karr was released from jail, without bail, but was ordered to report to a probation officer and avoid child , children and places where children congregate, such as schools, beaches and parks. The court records in the case were sealed. A judge ordered Karr to stay away from Wendy Hutchens in a 2001 court order setting conditions for release from a Sonoma County jail after being held for six months on the child charges.

2001 – November: A judge issues a restraining order, compelling Karr to stay 100 yards away from his wife and three children for three years. The divorce is finalized.

2001 – December 13th: A warrant was issued for Karr's arrest after authorities said he violated the terms of his supervised release by failing to appear for a court hearing.

08-16-06 Karr arrested in Thailand

08-17-06 Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Cerena Wong ordered sealed all records regarding the arrest of John Mark Karr on charges in Sonoma County.

08-20-06 Karr extradited from Thailand to Los Angeles, CA

08-22-06 Karr waived extradition to Boulder, CO

08-24-06 Karr flown from L.A. to Boulder, CO

08-28-06 No DNA match. CO drops charges against Karr

08-29-06 CO Judge orders Karr to be extradited to Sonoma County, CA by 09-13-06

09-06-06 San Francisco attorney Robert M. Amparan told Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Cerena Wong that Karr was asserting his right to a speedy trial, meaning the case would have to be heard within 30 days (which would be by Oct. 6)

09-08-06 Extradition attempted from Boulder prevented. Speculation of federal charges.

09-12-06 Karr extradited from Boulder, CO to Sonoma County, Santa Rosa, CA

09-14-06 Karr's Sonoma County, CA arraignment held at 8:30AM before Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Cerena Wong. Robert M. Amparan will represent Karr. http://pier5law.com/robert-amparan.htm Gayle Gutekunst http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14841445/?GT1=8506 , is another one of Karr's attorneys

09-19-06 Hearing on when the trial will start and on whether Karr's no-bail status should change. Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse http://www.sonoma-county.org/da/press_releases/press_080806.htm argues the trial must start by Oct. 14, within 30 days of Karr's appearance today on the arrest warrant. "Our focus is to try to get him out of custody and fight the case under non-custodial status,'' Amparan said Karr should not be considered a flight risk despite his disappearance in December 2001.

10-02-06 Trial scheduled to begin before Judge Cerena Wong

Karr currently faces five charges on Section 311.11, possession of child , and a flight to avoid prosecution charge.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Tuesday, 09-19-06 Hearing on when the trial will start and on whether Karr's no-bail status should change. Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse argues the trial must start by Oct. 14, within 30 days of Karr's appearance today on the arrest warrant.

"Our focus is to try to get him out of custody and fight the case under non-custodial status,'' Amparan said Karr should not be considered a flight risk despite his disappearance in December 2001.

The D.A.'s case, especially being associated with Wendy Hutchens, appears to be weak. I can understand the D.A. wanting more time, if only to contemplate whether it is wise to continue on with a trial. If the D.A. achieves forcing John Mark Karr to register as a sex offender, the D.A. will have won.

The defense can easily win a Change Of Venue. The D.A. has to wonder whether it will be worth the effort to try John Mark Karr, especially elsewhere. I would think the D.A. has to be hoping for a Plea Agreement, where Karr will be forced to register as a sex offender. If Karr's lawyers want to do what is in the best interest of the public, they would go along with this, but when have defense lawyers had the public's interest in mind??

 

[capps]

"Amparan said Karr should not be considered a flight risk despite his disappearance in December 2001."

I don't understand Amparan's statement. He did disappear in December 2001,so why should it not be considered a flight risk?

 

[Niner]

And, I agree, that no one who is into child collects ONLY 5 images. David Westerfield, for example, had hundreds of images if I recall correctly. He even had them categorized.
That's an interesting idea about 'Alyssa' possibly being Wendy's daughter. It wouldn't surprise me. Of course, we are assuming that the Alyssa pics are the pics. But, as Buzz pointed out the arrest was made less than a week after those pics were sent.

now that you mention Westerfield, the name "Alyssa" sounds familiar. Didn't Westerfield have these pixtures too? Anyone recall? I'm sure that name "Alyssa" is associated with the pictures downloaded by Westerfield... :waitasec:

 

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"Amparan said Karr should not be considered a flight risk despite his disappearance in December 2001."

I don't understand Amparan's statement. He did disappear in December 2001,so why should it not be considered a flight risk?

Because this idiot is a defense attorney who thinks he's supposed to be the worlds biggest patsy for whoever his client is, and believe whatever BS he puts out?