CA - Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges against John Mark Karr dismissed

[Camper]

It was not immediately clear Tuesday precisely when authorities discovered the computer was missing. But during a court proceeding three weeks ago, on Aug. 29, prosecutor Risse told Judge Cerena Wong that the investigation had been reopened and that experts were examining the computer.

Her statement came as the District Attorney's Office was opposing efforts by The Press Democrat to unseal the 2001 search warrant that had led to the child charges.

"A lot of what's in the search warrant relates to the forensic computer exam; and that's being redone because there is newer equipment and newer procedures that we can obtain more off of the computer than we could back in 2001," Risse said in court.

"I'm really not sure if that's going to bring forth more material. So there is an ongoing investigation going on relative to the computer," she said, according to the official transcript.

Wong refused to unseal the court records, citing in part, the "reopened" investigation.

--->>>Hmmm.

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[Buzz Mills]

Lawyers faulted for hype in Karr case
S.J. ATTORNEYS CLAIMED TO REPRESENT SUSPECT

As John Mark Karr was being held in a Los Angeles jail last month, two San Jose attorneys called a news conference to announce they would represent the man suspected of killing child beauty pageant princess JonBenet Ramsey.

But throughout the extradition proceedings that took Karr from California to Boulder, Colo., and back again for his Thursday appearance in Sonoma County on child- misdemeanor charges, neither Jamie Harmon nor Patience Van Zandt have made a single appearance on his behalf.

At each of the hearings, Karr was represented by other attorneys.

It's unclear what happened. While Van Zandt showed a reporter a document that seemed to indicate Karr had retained them, Colorado officials said Karr was not interested in seeing Harmon. They allege Harmon at one point lied in an attempt to arrange a jailhouse meeting with him. A San Francisco private attorney now represents Karr in the Sonoma case.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/15554205.htm

 

[Buzz Mills]

If Karr agrees to register as a sex offender, he can walk now; otherwise, after the mock trial, he can walk without registering as a sexual offender. One more lie by the D.A. and this case will get thrown out of court.

 

[lighthouselover]

So there's ANOTHER missing computer?

Has anybody heard if Karr has accepted the "deal"?

 

[Buzz Mills]

So there's ANOTHER missing computer?

Has anybody heard if Karr has accepted the "deal"?

No, the laptop is not lost. I'm sure the Feds are going through it with a fine tooth comb, hoping to arrest Karr for whatever reason. Otherwise he may walk free, very shortly, w/o any record.

 

[panthera]

"It appears that in the move from the old office to the new building, it was either lost or accidentally purged. But, no, we haven't been able to locate it."

Can this case get any more bizarre???

:slap:

 

[i.b.nora]

Regarding Sonoma County losing the ONLY evidence that counts, the computer, this is just laughable!!! What jury or honest human being would ever convict someone when there is NO EVIDENCE? A print-out of the contents of his hard-drive, is MEANINGLESS!!! Anybody can conjure up such a thing and alter it at will. Print-outs of the pictures doesn't mean they came from his computer. As far as I am concerned, case closed! They have no evidence.

Wendy Hutchens is not a credible witness, for all sorts of reasons.

The Sheriff's Department is not credible because they can't seem to properly maintain evidence specifically in this case.

Regarding Harmon and Van Zandt:

"According to Van Zandt, she and Harmon have not spoken to Karr since he landed in Los Angeles in late August after being deported from Bangkok, Thailand, where he was arrested."

I distinctly remember one of both of the women saying in a television appearance outside the L.A. jail, that they or one of them had just come from spending a few hours with him and could not tell the reporters what he told them, due to attorney client privilege.

These two women are very very scary.

"Van Zandt said she's glad that Karr's case turned out well for him, given his statements and media swirl. But she hopes to see him again to clarify -- at least for her -- his legal situation.

"I just want to know what he wants," she said."

Uh, Duh!!!

 

[panthera]

If Karr agrees to register as a sex offender, he can walk now; otherwise, after the mock trial, he can walk without registering as a sexual offender. One more lie by the D.A. and this case will get thrown out of court.

With the computer missing, it now does seem that his chances are good for an acquittal.
:doh:

 

[scandi]

I know Buzz is much more well read than I, so do believe the computer is in safe hands with the Feds.

I think this guy is about ready to advance in his sickness to where he will commuit an overt act against some innocent little girl. Look at this all together:

* transgender change in progress, so a sexual obscurity in the making
* admits being sexually excited by young girls
* history of being teacher or nanny for young girls - talks of bathing and tucking them in
* was being investigated by Thai LE to sexual indisgression against young girl who was his student in his apt
* of unsound moral mind - falsely admitting to murder of JB

There are probably many more reasons why I see this guy as having progressed through steps leading to becoming a full fledged pedo. Morals won't stop him, and his desires can not be quelled. What he has is lifelong and a forboding challange for any unsuspecting young girl. He also ran from LE, so to keep him under tabs will be next to impossible.

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

The good citizens of Sonoma County are probably beginning to worry that JMK may end up living somewhere close to them, and maybe even at their expense.

Does anyone think that if JMK actually goes on trial that they will have a chance to convict Wendy Hutchens. Maybe at least on perjury, or maybe on aiding, and abetting. She has to be guilty of something. Can you imagine being a prosecutor, and having Wendy as your star witness?? Now that's a tough job; no wonder they pay the Sonoma D.A. such big bucks.

 

[Buzz Mills]

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat allows comments to be submitted on their Karr articles. The Sonoma County Sheriff and D.A. are catching hell.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/NEWS/609200304/1033/NEWS01

 

[i.b.nora]

The good citizens of Sonoma County are probably beginning to worry that JMK may end up living somewhere close to them, and maybe even at their expense.

The Sonoma County DA would have been much better off by dropping their case and not extraditing him back to Sonoma. They should have just let Boulder release him as almost happened. Sonoma would have gotten a little flack for a few days and then they could go back to business as usual.

Instead, and especially because of this latest revelation regarding the missing KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE (Karr's computer), they will now be under more of a microscope, which is not what I think they really want.

I think that, or hope that, Amparan is investigating Wendy Hutchens extensively. And, in doing that, I would imagine they will turn up serious problems with the original investigation of Karr by the Sonoma County Sheriff's office and anyone else involved.

Sonoma County would be wise, in my opinion, to quietly drop the whole thing. Maybe he would accept a plea agreement of returning to his father or brother's house for a specified period of time, in exchange for dropping ALL charges. And, promising not to sue Sonoma County for anything related to this case.

It would be the talk of the nation for a few days, and then we will all be on to the next big story.

Also, Scandi – You said: (Karr) "was being investigated by Thai LE to sexual indisgression against young girl who was his student in his apt"

I believe that is patently false, and I guess you can just call me a stickler for details and facts. Perhaps you have a link to a MSM news article or TV interview that supports that accusation?

From an AP article out of Thailand on August 17
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060817/D8JI8FBG0.html

"Suwat (Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police) said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.

"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."'

"Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said."

 

[Buzz Mills]

SNIP

Also, Scandi – You said: (Karr) "was being investigated by Thai LE to sexual indisgression against young girl who was his student in his apt"

I believe that is patently false, and I guess you can just call me a stickler for details and facts. Perhaps you have a link to a MSM news article or TV interview that supports that accusation?

From an AP article out of Thailand on August 17
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060817/D8JI8FBG0.html

"Suwat (Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police) said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.

"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."'

"Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said."

i.b. nora, there was mention of the Thai authorities investigating Karr with respect to him having an overt interest in a very young girl, but even though this was mentioned a few different times, it was almost always conflicted elsewhere in the same news articles. At best, the way it was reported asked more questions than it answered. It could have been overactive reporting, or things got lost in the translation, as they seem to do coming out of Thailand. General Suwat was the worst of the worst when it came to relating incorrect information. Perhaps he was the one that fed the 'young girl" info to the reporters to begin with; he probably wanted it to appear as if the Thai authorities were right on top of Karr.

 

[i.b.nora]

i.b. nora, there was mention of the Thai authorities investigating Karr with respect to him having an overt interest in a very young girl, but even though this was mentioned a few different times, it was almost always conflicted elsewhere in the same news articles. At best, the way it was reported asked more questions than it answered. It could have been overactive reporting, or things got lost in the translation, as they seem to do coming out of Thailand. General Suwat was the worst of the worst when it came to relating incorrect information. Perhaps he was the one that fed the 'young girl" info to the reporters to begin with; he probably wanted it to appear as if the Thai authorities were right on top of Karr.

Yes, I am aware of the rumors about his interest in a young girl in Thailand. I kinda liked General Suwat myself, but I know he got a little carried away with some of the things he said.
I guess my point is is that, there is no credible information that the Thais had him under investigation for anything.

By the way Buzz, how many comments did YOU leave at the Press-Democrat? Hmmmm?

 

[lighthouselover]

Either Sonoma is incompetent at evidence gathering and storage or...the entrapment idea is more believeable than we first thought. What other items of evidence are missing from "the move"? Are there other cases where, God forbid, some murderer actually is acquitted because of now missing evidence? IMO, they know full well what happened to that computer and the fingerprints of Wendy and the investigating officers are all over it.

And, I'm not buying that the feds have his Thailand computer. Not for one minute do I believe that. Somebody posted an article (it may have been Buzz) where the FBI stated that "they had no interest in John Mark Karr" after Boulder announced they were not pressing charges. I've tried to search for the article, I'll keep trying. Boulder knows what happened or is happening to that computer. Karr's work will probably show up in Michael Tracey's next book or documentary and there won't be a darn thing Karr can do about it because he'll have no proof.

The only time I heard any reference to Karr and a young girl in Thailand was in Mary Lacy's last press conference. It was CYA time for her.

And, I think Karr is just plain wierd and that he's never harmed a child in his life. I think he lives in a sick fantasy world. But hey, I think Truman Capote and Stephen King was/is wierd, but I don't believe they actually killed anybody to write about it.

 

[Buzz Mills]

SNIP

By the way Buzz, how many comments did YOU leave at the Press-Democrat? Hmmmm?

i.b. nora, I'll admit to more than one.

 

[panthera]

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat allows comments to be submitted on their Karr articles. The Sonoma County Sheriff and D.A. are catching hell.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/NEWS/609200304/1033/NEWS01http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/NEWS/609200304/1033/NEWS01

Oh my!!! Not good at all!
:doh:

 

[scandi]

Well I.B.Nora, the way I remember it coming down is there was a news conference by the Boulder DA. She said there were two reasons they decided to bring Karr back - I wish I had the link, but one had to do with him being a possible danger to the public.

Then I heard Suwat state in his press conference that they had been investigating Karr in reference to a matter with a young girl and some sexual impropriety on Karr's part towards her that happened at his apartment. He said that. Later I learned this girl that Karr fancied was one of his students, and I don't know from which school.

So I thought Mary realized if Boulder didn't act quickly to get Karr out of Thailand they might have a long wait to get him in investigating JB's murder. Time wise it would make more sense to wisk him away before the Thai investigators decided they were ready to detain him on the charge of a sexual nature. We even discussed this on the forum.

So Boulder acted swiftly. made their position known to Suwat because they ended up working together, and it made life easier for the Thai's, as they could declare him unfit to be there in Thailand and be rid of both worrying about him and his sexual improprieties and the cost of detaining and prosecuting him. It worked out the best for both offices..

I also never heard the fact Karr was being investigated by the Thai's recinded.

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

Either Sonoma is incompetent at evidence gathering and storage or...the entrapment idea is more believeable than we first thought. What other items of evidence are missing from "the move"? Are there other cases where, God forbid, some murderer actually is acquitted because of now missing evidence? IMO, they know full well what happened to that computer and the fingerprints of Wendy and the investigating officers are all over it.

And, I'm not buying that the feds have his Thailand computer. Not for one minute do I believe that. Somebody posted an article (it may have been Buzz) where the FBI stated that "they had no interest in John Mark Karr" after Boulder announced they were not pressing charges. I've tried to search for the article, I'll keep trying. Boulder knows what happened or is happening to that computer. Karr's work will probably show up in Michael Tracey's next book or documentary and there won't be a darn thing Karr can do about it because he'll have no proof.

The only time I heard any reference to Karr and a young girl in Thailand was in Mary Lacy's last press conference. It was CYA time for her.

And, I think Karr is just plain wierd and that he's never harmed a child in his life. I think he lives in a sick fantasy world. But hey, I think Truman Capote and Stephen King was/is wierd, but I don't believe they actually killed anybody to write about it.

lhl, from that article:

Edmonds said detectives haven't found evidence on Karr's other computers.

A laptop returned with Karr from Thailand is in the hands of federal authorities, and Sonoma County detectives are working with them to determine whether there may be any evidentiary value in it, Edmonds said.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/NEWS/609200304/1033/NEWS01

 

[scandi]

Thanks Buzz as you have indeed resolved that issue of his newest computer.

10 feathers in your hat :hand: Scandi