GUILTY CA - Dr. Mark Anderson for groping dental patients, Woodland, 2007

[browneyes]

It's ironic that the very place where this is all taking place is in Woodland, CA, and only six weeks ago, I was there testifying in another trial. The woman who was doing the transcription in that case, approached me when we broke for lunch, and asked me if I knew a certain person, who also worked for Lochheed Martin. Now, i need to put this in perspective. Lockheed is a huge company. At one time they had 35,000 people employed at the location where I worked. So you can understand that only once previously, did I actually know someone they asked about, and I have been asked that question 100's of times. But it turned out I knew the guy she asked about. And not only that, we worked in the same area/project at one time. so this was a rarity. And not only that, we worked on the same project, and even the same job. And not only that, he was one of these very competitive guys. And lo, and behold, I am also of that same competitive nature. He made a very big mistake when he tried to compete with me in my specialty. Needless to say, we didn't get along worth a damn. The woman who asked me turned out to be his cousin. Turns out he retired to Gold Beach, Oregon, and was playing a lot of golf, and traveling. I told her we butted heads but didn't want to tell her how bad it was. I thought I would let him blow off steam, and tell his side. He's the one that always came out on the short end.

So anyway, I have a contact among the transcribers at the Woodland, CA courthouse. She grew up in Woodland, and worked full-time at the Courthouse for many years, but now lives in Oregon, and only contracts for selected cases at the Woodland Courthouse--this one was seven weeks long. She has lots of family still in the area.

Wow Buzz, it's a small world sometimes.

So, do you think you can get the transcripts?

 

[Taximom]

Well, he always had a tray nearby for most of the stuff. I think the chest area is highly inappropriate. I bet he didn't do it to any of the boys in his practice, and their flat chests would have been an even better spot to place things.

 

[Taximom]

I think there might be a difference in tools on chest and a chest massage for tmj
I rub my jaw where it hinges when my tmj acts up not my chest
and no they have assistants and tray tables for the tools

(my emphasis)

Yes, I realize there is a BIG difference, but this story caught my eye because of what I experienced.

 

[Al_B]

I think some times people just do things without thinking of how its going to make someone feel. I have had it done with a couple of different dentist before and after puberty . I never thought much of it as I just wanted to close my mouth and go home

P.S. I am sorry that it made you feel the way it did. He should have been more receptive to you being uncomfortable and asked what was wrong,it's part of bedside manner that sometimes lacking with all medical professions

 

[Taximom]

I remember my dentists and orthodontists always put a bib on me,and laid the tools on my chest. I don't recall it being anything I thought was anything other than routine and no one touched my breasts. I think it's interesting that each of us viewed it differently. It wasn't an issue with me, but it obviously was with you. I wonder if your orthodontist didn't have ill intent, or if mine did. Hmmm.

I appreciate your viewpoint, Glitch. I had problems all my life with men, including my pastor, because of my chest inheritance. (Ha) Perhaps my view of what happened is tainted by that. All I know is it made me uncomfortable (as did many other things like that in my younger life) but I didn't know how to handle it.

Believe me when I say that my children do know what to do or say when their boundaries are violated.

It would not surprise me in the least to find out later that this dentist has done this to many that accepted it and will say nothing now because they may be too embarrassed.

 

[GlitchWizard]

I think there might be a difference in tools on chest and a chest massage for tmj
I rub my jaw where it hinges when my tmj acts up not my chest
and no they have assistants and tray tables for the tools

But have you TRIED a breast massage for your TMJ? I think you should do an experiement for us on WS. We want answers! Research!

 

[GlitchWizard]

I appreciate your viewpoint, Glitch. I had problems all my life with men, including my pastor, because of my chest inheritance. (Ha) Perhaps my view of what happened is tainted by that. All I know is it made me uncomfortable (as did many other things like that in my younger life) but I didn't know how to handle it.

Believe me when I say that my children do know what to do or say when their boundaries are violated.

It would not surprise me in the least to find out later that this dentist has done this to many that accepted it and will say nothing now because they may be too embarrassed.

That's a big problem with past experiences, you never know if it's tainting your view of something or making you more aware of violations. I know for many years after my divorce, I thought every question was an accusation and every decision I made needed me to defend myself. I used to think I was just "more aware" of violations of my personal space, but now I think I was overly sensitive. That doesn't mean later I won't change my mind again!

Since it happened to me and my brother back before we even had a chest, and still happens with the lady dental assistant I have today (I always look crosseyed at the nasty toothpaste thing on my chest) I have to think it's standard procedure and that if this is the case, they should ASK people if it's okay. For me, it's fine. For you, it's not. They won't know if they don't ask. Or, they can get a little tv tray table to use, perhaps.

 

[Jules]

I appreciate your viewpoint, Glitch. I had problems all my life with men, including my pastor, because of my chest inheritance. (Ha) Perhaps my view of what happened is tainted by that. All I know is it made me uncomfortable (as did many other things like that in my younger life) but I didn't know how to handle it.

I, too, was blessed by the chest fairy and it's always made me uncomfortable. Every now and then you come across someone who will talk to your instead of your face. I've thought so many times how I'd love to bend down and say "hey.... I'm up here!" I've never done that, but have been tempted to many times.

We work with a guy who does this. When we have meetings he goes around the room and looks at everyone's chests. I've informed everyone that the next time he does it we all need to stair at his crotch. We laugh about it, but it really is such an uncomfortable thing.

I'm sorry you've had such troubles.

 

[kgeaux]

I was really upset when I read about this dentist. When I was in 6th grade I had an orthodontist that laid his tools on my chest. I was so *&*%&* naive or I would have told my parents...who probably would have killed him! He did this for 4 years. It was strange because it did bother me inside, but his all-female team of assistants never did or said anything about it, so why did I feel weird about it? :doh:

I hated going and would often miss appointments (he was down the street so I walked) which would make my parents furious! I know why now, but sure didn't get it back then.

I have always been well-endowed and this attention to that area of my body was not unusual, but it sure didn't make it ok.

Once it became clear to me that what he had done was SO wrong, I wanted to go back to him and confront him with it. I found out he had died at an early age. I can't say I was sad to hear that.

I wonder how many others (possibly younger) patients this dentist has touched inappropriately that we don't even know about.

My dentist routinely lays instruments down on the little bib thing. I don't find that unusual at all. Every patient is treated the same way. Maybe it doesn't bother me because my dentist is female.

 

[kgeaux]

But have you TRIED a breast massage for your TMJ? I think you should do an experiement for us on WS. We want answers! Research!

Ok, my hubby stepped up to the bat, in the name of science. He attempted a breast massage. It did NOT make my jaw feel better. It DID make me forget about my jaw for awhile! :angel:

Gotta edit, hubby is embarrassed, he thinks the way I worded this: "he attempted" a breast massage means he didn't do it right. He did it Just Right. Perfect. Couldn't have asked for a better breast massage.

 

[ziggy]

Yep, I'm naturally chesty. I don't really have a problem with the looking but if it turns into staring or continues, you just say, "would you stop being obsessed about my and get over it. You know they have magazines for dudes like you...". I just come out and call them on it, they get embarrassed and then it's over.

 

[calus_3]

But have you TRIED a breast massage for your TMJ? I think you should do an experiement for us on WS. We want answers! Research!

We all now massages don't work if you are doing them yourself.

I will volunteer my services to anyone wanting to know if this helps.

Cal

 

[eve]

You have to admit, it's an awfully convenient surface for tools in relation to the mouth, and far more room on it than the forehead...

This is making me wonder about something that happened to me. When I got home from getting my wisdom teeth out there were red marks which turned to bruises (circular-fingers?) all over my chest and breasts. I showed my mom and we were mystified. Of course I was out during the surgery. Dumb us, I guess, we never pursued it. I was 20 and pretty blessed in the chest :blushing: - LOL. This oral surgeon (a few years later) committed suicide.

Eve

 

[Buzz Mills]

Wow Buzz, it's a small world sometimes.

So, do you think you can get the transcripts?

Let's wait for this to finish up before I make any attempt; now I wish I would have remembered her name - lol, but she shouldn't be difficult to track down.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Ok, my hubby stepped up to the bat, in the name of science. He attempted a breast massage. It did NOT make my jaw feel better. It DID make me forget about my jaw for awhile! :angel:

Gotta edit, hubby is embarrassed, he thinks the way I worded this: "he attempted" a breast massage means he didn't do it right. He did it Just Right. Perfect. Couldn't have asked for a better breast massage.

Men and their egos!

 

[Buzz Mills]

we need some pictures so we can judge all the blessings that have been spread among those we have here on this thread - lol.

 

[Jules]

we need some pictures so we can judge all the blessings that have been spread among those we have here on this thread - lol.

LOL!!!! I've posted my picture before.

 

[calus_3]

we need some pictures so we can judge all the blessings that have been spread among those we have here on this thread - lol.

I will second that, you know purely in the name of science! Don't worry ladies, I am a doctor!

Cal

 

[Taximom]

I, too, was blessed by the chest fairy and it's always made me uncomfortable. Every now and then you come across someone who will talk to your instead of your face. I've thought so many times how I'd love to bend down and say "hey.... I'm up here!" I've never done that, but have been tempted to many times.

We work with a guy who does this. When we have meetings he goes around the room and looks at everyone's chests. I've informed everyone that the next time he does it we all need to stair at his crotch. We laugh about it, but it really is such an uncomfortable thing.

I'm sorry you've had such troubles.

There was a guy that I worked with that did the same thing-couldn't stop staring. The entire conversation was always with my breasts. I finally got up the nerve to stare at him in the crotch...but he was transferred out before I could do it. Rats!

Once I went out on a date with a guy and he just blurted out "I've never been out with a girl with ----- as big as yours!" :doh: ROFL By then, I could laugh about that stuff. Gee, I hope he didn't become a dentist.

"Chest Fairy" LOL Jules, I'm ok now. It's just that looking back there were a lot of times I was uncomfortable but didn't know how to voice it.

Kgeaux, that's too funny about your hubby's experimenting! :laugh: Ours must be related!

 

[GlitchWizard]

It doesn't work to stare at a guy's crotch unless you get a horrified (or amused) look on your face. If you just stare, they assume you want them. :razz:

Yep. Crotch starer here. :woohoo: