CA - Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 in Isla Vista, Near UC Santa Barbara, #1

[CHERIE.T]

Found this while searching. Hope this is ok to post. Please mods, delete if necessary. Skip to 31:38 and ER is seen at premiere. Interesting to see what everyone thinks. http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/elliot-rogers-on-the-red-carpet-at-hunger-games-event.454002863/

Looks very uncomfortable.....seems unsure how to act, imoo.
looks out of place.

 

[mikeysmommom]

He may have perceived the video sessions as private or different than "real life", and took on his other persona in that fashion. My brother (Aspie) is totally different when he perceives privacy, even when others can clearly hear or see him. When he feels alone (in his room, walking down the street with headphones, the shower), boy does he rant... But the very second he steps back into "public", it's like a switch is flipped and he acts completely different. Not "normal", but not in the rant mode anymore, it's instant.

I feel the need to repeat that I do not think AS is at the root of this massacre.

He might have had AS but it sounds more likely he had Malignant Narcissism or they co existed.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Looks very uncomfortable.....seems unsure how to act, imoo.
looks out of place.

He looks uncomfortable IMO because of the way he is dressed. He thought the world of himself, I would think he would have wanted to look sharp in a designer suit. His step mother is dressed up , his dad is in a jacket even though it looks casual. At something like this he should have been thrilled at his age plus it was something that most of his peers did not attend.

 

[CHERIE.T]

He looks uncomfortable IMO because of the way he is dressed. He thought the world of himself, I would think he would have wanted to look sharp in a designer suit. His step mother is dressed up , his dad is in a jacket even though it looks casual. At something like this he should have been thrilled at his age plus it was something that most of his peers did not attend.

I'm guessing of course but I think he looks uncomfortable because of something other than the way he's dressed.

He stays to the back, away from people, rarely making eye contact.

 

[kaos]

Found this while searching. Hope this is ok to post. Please mods, delete if necessary. Skip to 31:38 and ER is seen at premiere. Interesting to see what everyone thinks. http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/elliot-rogers-on-the-red-carpet-at-hunger-games-event.454002863/

I think this is the red carpet event where he described the actresses as c***s when the photographers were telling him to get out of the way - where he also says that he was secretly giving them the finger.

I don't feel sorry for ER in any way but I kind of wanted to shake him and demand to know just why he thought tall blondes were the be all and end all and why he assumed everybody was having sex when he wasn't. So many people lie about their sexual prowess/achievements but he just didn't allow for that in his thoughts. It's as if nobody ever challenged his perceptions, nobody ever told him some of those tall blondes he so desired may have been virgins themselves.


This link is just heartbreaking

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-daughter-dead-using-iPhone-tracking-app.html

 

[PPKik]

Found this while searching. Hope this is ok to post. Please mods, delete if necessary. Skip to 31:38 and ER is seen at premiere. Interesting to see what everyone thinks. http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/elliot-rogers-on-the-red-carpet-at-hunger-games-event.454002863/

Nice find!! I had only seen stills of this event before. I agree with the other posters who say he looks very uncomfortable. Is he holding himself away from his father and his stepmother, or are they not interested in including him? You can hear a little dialogue with introductions on the video, but I didn't hear his name. Can anyone hear his father introduce ER? I can only hear him introduce his wife.

Backing up the video to see SR finding a beautiful dress! This looks like the French version of "Real Housewives," and that clip of the premiere is part of a segment about SR. Extra Interesting!

 

[they'll get you]

This rampage could have been so much worse-he'd only just started.

Rodger had three semi-automatic handguns that he had purchased legally from a Southern California gun shop - along with more than 400 rounds of ammunition.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-bought-three-handguns-legally-gun-shop.html

 

[Gardenlady]

Lots of references to MISOGYNY - and I just do not see that as being an issue. The kid had rejection for breakfast, rejection for lunch, and rejection/inferiority for dinner... for dessert he had depression.

His rule - only tall blondes.
His talents- none, except, writing and grasp of English, diction, mechanics, structure, spelling, etc. ( if he wrote it). With zero errors between pp. 1-99, and five from pp 100-120 - only two of those were spelling, the others look like purposeful space bar trip-ups... deliberate. (e.g.: Merc edes)

I don't see a hatred of females, or as he says ("women"), I see a concentrated love for them... but a disdain for the world of humanity. He could not grasp the fact that you need to interact with others to gain that ground... sitting in public will get you nowhere.. take it from me... (smile)

Enjoy,

G

I can't see how misogyny can possibly be so easily dismissed as you have done here. Have you seen the sites he was part of, and what they believe about women? Here is one MSM link to get you started:

http://www.news.com.au/world/elliot...ctivist-movement/story-fndir2ev-1226932109186

His posts to PUA hate reek with hatred for women. And why are they there? Because the PUA hate site -while disagreeing with the methods that the so-called "pick up artist" community uses- shares the same beliefs as PUAs about women. Inferior, irrational, prefer authoritative men who tell them what to do and take charge over them; worth lies only in looks and reproductive ability (as compared with a man's worth, which lies in intellect, personality, and achievement). Many posters urge tactics which would be considered rape (get her drunk, ignore the "no", etc).

I really urge people to look into these groups. PUAs, incels, so-called Red Pill Men, etc. I believe it was RooshV, the founder or at least biggest voice for PUAs who posted a piece yesterday saying basically that if men continue to be sexually frustrated by women then more violence like this will happen.

And crap like this has a BIG audience of men. And not just mentally ill men, as ER may or may not have been. We need, as women, to be aware that these guys are out there, and what they think about us, and what they plan for their interactions with us and our daughters.

So don't tell me misogyny has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. This guy's disgusting beliefs about women were right at home among a certain segment of American male population.

 

[Gardenlady]

Another MSM link about these groups ER found a home with, and their beliefs and "tactics" on women:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/the-angry-world-of-failed-pick-up-artists/2181371

 

[Charlie09]

I can't see how misogyny can possibly be so easily dismissed as you have done here. Have you seen the sites he was part of, and what they believe about women? Here is one MSM link to get you started:

http://www.news.com.au/world/elliot...ctivist-movement/story-fndir2ev-1226932109186

His posts to PUA hate reek with hatred for women. And why are they there? Because the PUA hate site -while disagreeing with the methods that the so-called "pick up artist" community uses- shares the same beliefs as PUAs about women. Inferior, irrational, prefer authoritative men who tell them what to do and take charge over them; worth lies only in looks and reproductive ability (as compared with a man's worth, which lies in intellect, personality, and achievement). Many posters urge tactics which would be considered rape (get her drunk, ignore the "no", etc).

I really urge people to look into these groups. PUAs, incels, so-called Red Pill Men, etc. I believe it was RooshV, the founder or at least biggest voice for PUAs who posted a piece yesterday saying basically that if men continue to be sexually frustrated by women then more violence like this will happen.

And crap like this has a BIG audience of men. And not just mentally ill men, as ER may or may not have been. We need, as women, to be aware that these guys are out there, and what they think about us, and what they plan for their interactions with us and our daughters.

So don't tell me misogyny has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. This guy's disgusting beliefs about women were right at home among a certain segment of American male population.

Oh brother, he was an equal opportunity hater...

 

[Gardenlady]

Oh brother, he was an equal opportunity hater...

I'm not sure how anyone can read his postings an arrive at that *opinion*, but you're free to ignore his words and the words of the guys in the communities he participated in if it suits you.


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[Charlie09]

I'm not sure how anyone can read his postings an arrive at that *opinion*, but you're free to ignore his words and the words of the guys in the communities he participated in if it suits you.


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Well because he killed men and women, and talked about hating a Lucky Radley - a black kid. Because he was severely off balance and sent away while still being given all the materialistic things to codify him to some degree, and because he was also going to kill his younger brother....I know the feminist crowd and anti-gun crowd would really like to make this a bully pulpit...but maybe we need to be looking at root causes, and not just look at what is convenient and anti-American men.

 

[Paladine]

Maybe this form will work for you?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/zwarburg/sets/72157644820334705/

HTH...:seeya:

He was attracted to tall blondes but hated them because they weren't attracted to him.

How tall was ER?


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I was on a bodybuidling forum and his stats there were listed as 5'9", 135 pounds...I have no link, I closed the tab that had the info accidentally and have no idea how I meandered there, lol...someone had screenshot the forum before the posts were erased, is my understanding. SO...take that with a grain of salt, although I'm sure of it. Sure he listed those as his stats, thati s, not sure how truthful he was.

And this from family in England, sorry if it's a repost:

His grandmother Lois Rodger, speaking from her home in Kent: "He was a very disturbed boy."

The gunman's aunt, Jenni Rodger, who now lives in France, also said that the family had concerns about him for a long time.

"Even as a child he was very, very disturbed," she said.

"He was always a loner and was very dark and very depressed. He never used to laugh. I never heard of him ever having a friend."

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...pressed-dark-and-very-disturbed-30304432.html


ETA: Found link of scrib copy of bodybuilding forum stating height and weight, 5'9" 135, according to him, there is also a discourse between him and other members.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/226010238/Elliot-Rodger-BodyBuilding-com-1

 

[Gardenlady]

Well because he killed men and women, and talked about hating a Lucky Radley - a black kid. Because he was severely off balance and sent away while still being given all the materialistic things to codify him to some degree, and because he was also going to kill his younger brother....I know the feminist crowd and anti-gun crowd would really like to make this a bully pulpit...but maybe we need to be looking at root causes, and not just look at what is convenient and anti-American men.

Charlie, sincerely, take a look at these groups he was a part of and that I have listed. Tool around on their forums for a bit. Don't make it a political thing - you have a daughter, I think? We owe it to ourselves and our daughters to know that these subgroups of men exist in this country, they have very specific beliefs about how women should be treated, and how to trick them.

His views were by no means isolated.


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[Gardenlady]

Well because he killed men and women, and talked about hating a Lucky Radley - a black kid. Because he was severely off balance and sent away while still being given all the materialistic things to codify him to some degree, and because he was also going to kill his younger brother....I know the feminist crowd and anti-gun crowd would really like to make this a bully pulpit...but maybe we need to be looking at root causes, and not just look at what is convenient and anti-American men.

And yes I agree that he showed hatred for a lot of people - his writings drip with misogyny, as well as racial and ethnic hatred.

I think one of the root causes that is worth exploring is the fact that those hatreds he held found a home and support among a certain segment of society.



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[Charlie09]

Charlie, sincerely, take a look at these groups he was a part of and that I have listed. Tool around on their forums for a bit. Don't make it a political thing - you have a daughter, I think? We owe it to ourselves and our daughters to know that these subgroups of men exist in this country, they have very specific beliefs about how women should be treated, and how to trick them.

His views were by no means isolated.


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Evil exists everywhere, not just by men who are on forums.

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[gajonka]

I'm sure that his long time friend, who ultimately distanced himself, must feel awful after ER shared his thoughts and feelings (according to the manifesto), but never in a million years could he have felt that his bitter friend could actually go through with something so horrific.

Listen to the lyrics to this one:

He def put more though into the song selections than I first thought...

http://youtu.be/H8Q83DPZy6E

 

[Elley Mae]

The Disturbing Internet Footprint Of Santa Barbara Shooter Elliot Rodger

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...print-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/
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Of course, perfect guys are not the type who go mass-murderer on a college town. Rodger, who was a student at Santa Barbara City College, had uploaded a number of videos in recent months about his loneliness and frustration over women not wanting him despite his BMW, $300 sunglasses and nice clothing. He had expressed similar sentiments on forums for bodybuilders and anti-pick-up-artists. The latter led a Daily Kos writer to blame the “men’s rights movement” for influencing Rodgers into psychopathy and murder, pointing to the fact that Rodgers had subscribed to three different YouTube channels that gave advice on how to pick up women and be an “alpha male.” “Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men’s Rights Movement,” writes Will McLeod under the handle OllieGarkey. “He internalized their hatred of women.”

This is severe oversimplification, and an overly rapid rush to judgment. Rodger’s hatred — of both men and women — seemed tied instead to narcissism, jealousy, feelings of privilege and the world owing him. His mental disturbance seems as much about class as gender warfare.

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He expresses jealousy of people in sexual relationships; he seems more hateful of and angry at specific men — friends and social acquaintances — than at particular women. Women are vaguer to him, objects of desire; he sees them as both superior to him and inferior at the same time. The jealousy gets more and more deranged as the manifesto goes on. As he becomes a fan of Game of Thrones, he expresses a desire to a friend to “flay” a couple he sees in a mall food court; he seems especially enraged when men of other races are dating white women (despite his being half-Malaysian).

 

[jjenny]

I'm so glad the others were spared! I noticed in reading that his focus of his brother was that the little boy looked up to and adored him, in a kind of "like everyone should" way. He didn't seem to register it as love, but as the worship he felt he was owed. Jmo.

He was even jealous of the little boy.

 

[BigCat]

I can't see how misogyny can possibly be so easily dismissed as you have done here. Have you seen the sites he was part of, and what they believe about women? Here is one MSM link to get you started:

http://www.news.com.au/world/elliot...ctivist-movement/story-fndir2ev-1226932109186

His posts to PUA hate reek with hatred for women. And why are they there? Because the PUA hate site -while disagreeing with the methods that the so-called "pick up artist" community uses- shares the same beliefs as PUAs about women. Inferior, irrational, prefer authoritative men who tell them what to do and take charge over them; worth lies only in looks and reproductive ability (as compared with a man's worth, which lies in intellect, personality, and achievement). Many posters urge tactics which would be considered rape (get her drunk, ignore the "no", etc).

I really urge people to look into these groups. PUAs, incels, so-called Red Pill Men, etc. I believe it was RooshV, the founder or at least biggest voice for PUAs who posted a piece yesterday saying basically that if men continue to be sexually frustrated by women then more violence like this will happen.

And crap like this has a BIG audience of men. And not just mentally ill men, as ER may or may not have been. We need, as women, to be aware that these guys are out there, and what they think about us, and what they plan for their interactions with us and our daughters.

So don't tell me misogyny has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with it. This guy's disgusting beliefs about women were right at home among a certain segment of American male population.

First off, he killed twice as many men as women.

Secondly, there is a thin line between love and hate. ER worshipped women. Us, men, need to teach our sons that a woman is not the answer to our problems (and I do place a lot of the blame on ER's absentee father).

Thirdly, fathers have been warning their daughters about the sexual intentions of men since the beginning of time. If mothers want to help us, it will just make our job easier.