CA - Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 in Isla Vista, Near UC Santa Barbara, #2

[sfbaynancydrew]

Can you provide the link that shows it is false? Thanks.

PS, people with disabilities go to college.

I actually had wondered if he was in some sort of special ed program at UCSB, because his academic history sounded abysmal. I have a few friends who graduated from UCSB. It was NOT an easy school to get into--these were people with 4.0s, high SATs, extra curricular activities, glowing letters of recommendation etc and one was even put on the waiting list but managed to just squeak in. It's HIGHLY competitive among the best and brightest and this was back in the 90s before the budget crisis and huge funding cuts. I'm sure it's infinitely worse now.

I have found his admission into UCSB to be a head scratcher.

 

[jjenny]

Does UCSB not allow students with disabilities enroll in their computer science program??

What disability do you think they had?
I just can't argue with this anymore. This is a highly competitive university to get into. And computer science and computer engineering has got to be some of the hardest programs. You think these are developmentally disabled adults?
:banghead:

 

[Quester]

I actually had wondered if he was in some sort of special ed program at UCSB, because his academic history sounded abysmal. I have a few friends who graduated from UCSB. It was NOT an easy school to get into--these were people with 4.0s, high SATs, extra curricular activities, glowing letters of recommendation etc and one was even put on the waiting list but managed to just squeak in. It's HIGHLY competitive among the best and brightest and this was back in the 90s before the budget crisis and huge funding cuts. I'm sure it's infinitely worse now.

I have found his admission into UCSB to be a head scratcher.

ER attended SBCC.

 

[jjenny]

I actually had wondered if he was in some sort of special ed program at UCSB, because his academic history sounded abysmal. I have a few friends who graduated from UCSB. It was NOT an easy school to get into--these were people with 4.0s, high SATs, extra curricular activities, glowing letters of recommendation etc and one was even put on the waiting list but managed to just squeak in. It's HIGHLY competitive among the best and brightest and this was back in the 90s before the budget crisis and huge funding cuts. I'm sure it's infinitely worse now.

I have found his admission into UCSB to be a head scratcher.

He didn't attend UC of Santa Barbara. He was in a community college, and he dropped all of his classes anyway.

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Does UCSB not allow students with disabilities enroll in their computer science program??

His roommates are from my area and they were definitely not disabled. They were honors students.

 

[nightwatch]

I have to admit I am confused about ASD. How many sub categories are there? If ER was diagnosed as a small child there had to be times of improvement, I wonder his behavior during those times. Or was he on a cliff his entire life?

Imo this case shows collectively there is nothing we can do aside from hoping we or love ones are not in the wrong place at the wrong time. That all by itself makes me angry. Jmo

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/

ciao

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

He didn't attend UC of Santa Barbara. He was in a community college, and he dropped all of his classes anyway.

Okay, that makes a LOT more sense. Somehow I had this part really messed up, I thought he was a student there.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I thought the fact that he is autistic came out during their divorce several years ago.

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/rodger-pages-wm-2.pdf

Above link are the papers .

below link

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...eeds-autistic-mother-claimed-court-documents/

Virgin Murderer Elliot Rodger Was ‘Special Needs High Functioning Autistic Child,’ His Own Mother Claimed READ The Disturbing Court Documents Filed Before His Rampage




ETA WOW number 7 shows mom might have delusions of grandeur her self going from a movie set nurse to a Movie Executive ! Makes me really wonder who Jack is and maybe that is why ER did not name him with a last name in his book of fiction!

Dad was not part of it so he wanted to have him assessed again. Who knows at this point but I seriously doubt he had it.

 

[jjenny]

Okay, that makes a LOT more sense. Somehow I had this part really messed up, I thought he was a student there.

His roommates were, but he wasn't. And he dropped his classes at his community college because he was overcome with jealousy. There was a pretty girl that he liked, and she had a boyfriend. So he couldn't handle going to class.

 

[HMSHood]

Parents can't do much he was over 18.

Too bad the friends didn't step up to the plate to alert the authorities. From what I read he relayed his violent thoughts of happy couples and the awful things he wanted to do to them and that's why they ended the friendships. I believe they had some responsibility to inform his parents and authorities. Who knows maybe they did. Maybe they didn't take his threats seriously. Authorities probably wouldn't have done anything anyway since only threats. It seems they don't do anything until someone is hurt.

I can't believe that ER would actually follow and stalk some of these couples. He was a real whack job probably a psychiatrist worst nightmare. Some brains are just un-fixable

His stalking should raise red flags. I would not be surprised if he comes off as a busy body.

 

[SStarr33]

ER attended SBCC.

I'm pretty sure he was not a student there.

 

[CARIIS]

Its starting to come out he was seeing two providers - they probably have it wrong in all likelihood one was a therapist and the other a psychiatrist.(meds). He did not work. He was 22. Who does one think was paying to try and get their kid help --mom and dad


Often they refuse to take them or don’t take them correctly-(some of that is related to being sick and following directions etc) - you can’t force an adult.

How it usually goes is the psych meds take time to build up to a proper level ( weeks often). So they are complaint in the beginning, but as the levels rise the side effects are horrible.Becasue they are so sick they do not have the insight to know that the side effects are better than not trying to manage their illness so they stop taking them.

It takes a while for the level to drop so they stay somewhat level for a bit after they quit. Then they can go awhile reasonably stable while there neurotransmitters are slowly over time returning to their distressed levels. Then their behaviors and thinking goes back to whatever illness they are suffering with.

Depending on the illness (schizophrenia mostly) they get in trouble, usually LE, then they get hospitalized, overdosed for 2 two days, so they are in a coma, and discharged. . $$$$$$$$$$
,
Rinse repeat Rinse repeat Rinse repeat Rinse repeat Rinse repeat

ANd you what know is the really pathetic part of this. if insurance would pay for an appropriate length of stay at the onset, at the end of the day it would be cheaper for the greedy idiots at insurance because they would be able to remain stable for a longer peroid of time after discharge.

The side effects can lesson with time. If they were in the proper setting (hospital, day care whatever) there meds could be monotored they have support to get through the side effects and their insight, in all liklihood (casue they are more stable) is better so even after discharge then they will take them a bit longer, which means the insurance does not have to pay for a readmit

Becasue they are more stable they will come to therapy stabilizing longer.

Think about it . on an annual basis for insurance. one person.The way it is now we'll go 13 admissions - 2 days so we have 26 in-patient days.

If they would pay for them to be in a safe envirnment for two weeks the odds are they will not need to be readmitted as "soon" after discharge.

Its messed up

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[jjenny]

I don't know them, so I have no idea if they are disabled or not. Do you know them?

I am just asking the question about the assisted living that CBS reported.

What kind of assisted living facility would allow someone complete freedom that ER very obviously had?

 

[SStarr33]

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/rodger-pages-wm-2.pdf

Above link are the papers .

below link

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...eeds-autistic-mother-claimed-court-documents/

Virgin Murderer Elliot Rodger Was ‘Special Needs High Functioning Autistic Child,’ His Own Mother Claimed READ The Disturbing Court Documents Filed Before His Rampage

Dad was not part of it so he wanted to have him assessed again. Who knows at this point but I seriously doubt he had it.

Why do you doubt his diagnosis?

 

[jjenny]

I'm pretty sure he was not a student there.

Yes, he was. But he dropped out.

"February 2012: Rodger dropped out of all of his classes at SBCC because he didn't want to see "all of those beautiful girls I could never have." "When I dropped my college classes, I crossed a threshold that I knew existed, but never actually believed I would cross. It completely ended all hope I had of living a desirable life in Santa Barbara.""

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/justice/california-elliot-rodger-timeline/

 

[SStarr33]

Yes, he was. But he dropped out.

"February 2012: Rodger dropped out of all of his classes at SBCC because he didn't want to see "all of those beautiful girls I could never have." "When I dropped my college classes, I crossed a threshold that I knew existed, but never actually believed I would cross. It completely ended all hope I had of living a desirable life in Santa Barbara.""

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/justice/california-elliot-rodger-timeline/

Yes, I knew that. I meant a current student. I should have been clearer.

 

[SStarr33]

What kind of assisted living facility would allow someone complete freedom that ER very obviously had?

Why would they not give him freedom?

 

[jjenny]

Why would they not give him freedom?

What were they assisting him with?
He did whatever he wanted. He dropped out of college. He drove around, making creepy videos, getting into a bunch of trouble. He purchased a number of guns and kept them in his room.
What would be the purpose of this assisted living facility if he could do all that and not be supervised?
These are regular apartments he lived in, not an assisted living facility.

 

[CARIIS]

Too bad the friends didn't step up to the plate

he was so isolated there probably were not too many people around, or not too many people (the rejection) that wanted to deal or be around him etc.

his roommates already watched him arrest another one and were probably frightened of him

They (Auti spectrum) can be E X H A U S T I N G seriously draining ...........



What would be the purpose of this assisted living facility if he could do all that and not be supervised?

There would be at least one (prob more) staff that understand the illiness (often you can see them escalating ahead of time - take em out of stimulating situation etc)- and a nurse which monitors there meds can dispense them at the right time etc

Dad was not part of it so he wanted to have him assessed again. Who knows at this point but I seriously doubt he had it.
As it relates to his parents we all need to remember that his parents , according to all reports, when a minor had him in treatment, attempted to help , for YEARS. Its expensive.

That is not behavior of parents that are not aware of their childs problems, or indifferent partents, or not loving parents.

I am not being nasty (!) I would love to know what the folks that think mom and dad should have done,
what else does anyone think mom and dad do? They took care of him , as long as they could, by law I dont understand

over 18 he is an adult

 

[SStarr33]

What were they assisting him with?
He did whatever he wanted. He dropped out of college. He drove around, making creepy videos, getting into a bunch of trouble. He purchased a number of guns and kept them in his room.
What would be the purpose of this assisted living facility if he could do all that and not be supervised?
These are regular apartments he lived in, not an assisted living facility.

The institute "serves handicapped, developmentally delayed, and under-educated individuals in the areas of independent living, academics and vocational skills."