CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025 *Arrest* #2

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Inthedetails said:
When I see him, all I think is he killed a 7 month old BABY and permanently a disabled 10 week old BABY. His own children.

I couldn't care for her any less either, for the record. We just don't know as much yet about her. For him, we know 7 months and 10 weeks.

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I'm real curious how the DA will handle JH this time around.
It's the same DA who signed off on JH & Vh's guilty plea deal sentence.
Oh, bottom line is the judge had the final word.

I wish a lifetime of sleepless nights to both the DA & judge.
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peppermintmocha said:
In my state (IL), you can sometimes qualify for low or no-cost solar panels if you're low income. I highly doubt they paid for them.
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Without turning this into a solar-panel discussion, here are the incentives in California for solar panels for anyone interested:

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California Solar Panel Incentives: Tax Credits, Rebates, Financing and More

Solar panels can be a smart investment for California homeowners despite weaker net metering policies, thanks to various incentive programs that help offset installation costs.
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Izzylizzy said:
Did Vincent Hughes, JH's lawyer, admit here that JH is guilty of the horrific abuse that was done to his 10 week old daughter that he blamed his wife Vanessa for?

“Jake has a criminal past,” Hughes said. “We’re not running from that, but the facts of that case are a lot different than the facts of this case. And one crime doesn’t mean that you’ve committed every other crime known to man, especially to take your own child.”

“They just want their son back, they want people to put in the same effort that they’re using to question them to go out and search for Emmanuel,” Hughes told The Times.'


www.latimes.com

Parents of missing baby Emmanuel Haro faked kidnapping, now accused of murder, officials say

The parents of missing baby Emmanuel Haro were arrested Friday on suspicion of murder, more than a week after his mother claimed he was abducted, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s officials said.
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Not really — JH pled guilty as I recall, so he couldn’t ethically deny he did the crime (innocent people aren’t allowed to take plea deals). That’s what pleas of Nolo Contendre are for (where available). It’s more that he’s just acknowledging a legal reality. And it could also be said that he’s speaking generally, to address those who believe he committed the crime.
 
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anyoldtime48 said:
Nixle update for thems who do not twitter.

local.nixle.com

UPDATE: Parents of Emmanuel Haro Arrested at Their Cabazon Home and Booked into Custody for Murder from SBSD - Headquarters : Nixle

DATE: August 22, 2025 INCIDENT: PC 187- Murder LOCATION: 50000 Ramona Avenue, Cabazon, CA SUSPECT 1: Jake Mitchell Haro, 32-years-old, Resident of Cabazon, CA SUSPECT 2: ...
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from the link:

It is believed Emmauel is deceased and the search to recover his remains is ongoing.
 
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BlaiseFinlay said:
Not really — JH pled guilty as I recall, so he couldn’t ethically deny he did the crime (innocent people aren’t allowed to take plea deals). That’s what pleas of Nolo Contendre are for (where available). It’s more that he’s just acknowledging a legal reality. And it could also be said that he’s speaking generally, to address those who believe he committed the crime.
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Factually guilty people plead nolo contendere all the time (just so people know in case it turns out that's what he did in the previous case, but from what I'm reading here it sounds like it was a guilty plea after all?). Nolo contendere, for the uninitiated here, basically means admitting that the state has enough to convict you without admitting responsibility. A lot of guilty people choose this sort of plea when they don't want to admit guilt, but so do some factually innocent people. I don't assume someone is factually innocent or guilty when they plead nolo contendere, just based on my experience. It can go either way.
 
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fred&edna said:
i didn't suggest we throw surviving children to the street. emmanuel was not protected in this case. and a society that allows repeat child abuse, torture and death at the hands of parent is certainly something i think about. it's the totality of this entire situation which seems to allow monsters to control society... financially and morally. i doubt anyone even suggested jh pay for anything he did... and there's something very wrong with that.

i'm sorry you missed my point. my point was that monsters should be held accountable for the damage they cause to others.... and at the minimum financial accountability for the lifelong harm inflicted on a baby.

There's this thing called... restitution.
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I hear what you are saying. In CA people who adopt children who would otherwise end up in long term foster care, especially special needs children, are eligible for Adoption Assitance, so they don't have to bear the burden alone. Children are also eligible for Medical, etc. Instead, the taxpayers take up the slack and in this case the person who caused the need for assistance gets off scott free (6 months was a joke). And we have no idea what the actual internal life is like for any child in this kind of case. It certainly does seem like any assets the perpetrator of such injuries has should be forfeited and used to help the child, but there does not seem to be any law in place for it.


Some who can barely afford to take care of their own children have to pay taxes to take care of this kind of situation. It seems wrong on a logical level. IMO. Not that the children should not be taken care of, but that those who committed no crime have to pick up the slack for those who do. (Which, imo, is a hard swallow for anything non criminals have to pay in taxes to give criminals room and board and clean up their messes). Not that I don't understand the premise, but I would so like it if people in prison could contribute to society by doing something to generate income that would go towards their room and board and restitution for their crimes. Again JMO.
 
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lonetraveler said:
I'm definitely not giving Rebecca a free pass at the moment.
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"Murder with malice," or more precisely malice aforethought, refers to the specific mental state required to prove murder in some legal systems, meaning the unlawful killing of a human being with either express malice (a specific intent to kill) or implied malice (acting with conscious disregard for human life). The presence of malice aforethought distinguishes murder from manslaughter, which involves an unlawful killing without this particular mental state.
 
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keek said:
"Murder with malice," or more precisely malice aforethought, refers to the specific mental state required to prove murder in some legal systems, meaning the unlawful killing of a human being with either express malice (a specific intent to kill) or implied malice (acting with conscious disregard for human life). The presence of malice aforethought distinguishes murder from manslaughter, which involves an unlawful killing without this particular mental state.
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Very curious what evidence they have to come right out and charge with murder (with malice!) without the baby found.

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10ofRods said:
When you adopt someone, you are legally responsible for the child. I am unsure what you are trying to say. If a married couple adopts a child, both are legally responsible (for life) in the same way biological parents are.

Were they foster children instead?

Anyway, in none of the US states is this true. If it's a legal adoption - but are saying it wasn't? If it wasn't an adoption, let's use a different term.
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I think what they're expressing is frustration that the one who injured the child not only got out of jail time, but is also not required to make any kind of financial restitution to the child for the harm he caused her.
If he had caused harm to someone else's child, they probably could have sued him, I suppose. But since she was adopted after the injuries, is that even a possibility? The little girl's new parents are probably just glad to have her away from that man.
This is all jmo.
 
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NerdVibes said:
I think what they're expressing is frustration that the one who injured the child not only got out of jail time, but is also not required to make any kind of financial restitution to the child for the harm he caused her.
If he had caused harm to someone else's child, they probably could have sued him, I suppose. But since she was adopted after the injuries, is that even a possibility? The little girl's new parents are probably just glad to have her away from that man.
This is all jmo.
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Children can sue their own parents for injuries. They probably could sue, but there would be no point since he's probably broke as 🤬🤬🤬🤬.
 
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