CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025

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  • #141
Others can chime in who know language better, but I notice Spanish speakers will refer to the "ground" as the "floor" in English.

I have Spanish-speaking neighbors who do that, and that's my source. No link. :)

jmopinion
I had never considered this, but it now makes a ton of sense, thank you. I love explanatory transliterations. :)
 
  • #142
Every once in a while an impossible story turns out to be true, something I’ve learned from following cases here over the years. Still, this one has me scratching my head.

For one thing, it takes a lot to actually knock someone out, more than a punch in the eye. There’s a difference between being stunned for a few seconds and becoming completely unconscious. I would expect to see a heck of a head wound. Of course it’s unclear whether the mom claimed to have been knocked out or if msm decided to phrase it that way for effect.

Also, why would someone start a sneak attack on a victim by saying “Hola?” Doesn’t that defeat the element of surprise? And furthermore it causes the victim to turn around and get a clear look at the perp.

As mentioned by another poster, where is the FBI? In nearly all child kidnappings a CARD team shows up. Child Abduction Rapid Deployment.

And finally, why would a stranger abduct a baby in a public place? How would they know if there were cameras or not?

So this could just be one of those odd cases that happened exactly as reported by the mom. Or else we’re missing some critical information. I suspect LE has doubts and are working hard to resolve the mother’s story, one way or another. All JMO
 
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  • #144
Yeah, forgetting a mouthguard is actually a detail that rings true to me. If it didn't happen that day, it likely happened in the family at some point.

I'm curious when she "remembered" the missing mouth guard - did any other parents see her and Emmanual at the game? Or did she drop everyone off and then run the errand to the store without anyone seeing her and the baby?? Did she and her husband arrive in the same vehicle?

jmopinion
And if they did arrive in the same vehicle, what time did the husband notice she wasn't back with the mouth guard? Did he call her? Who contacted him about his wife? Did she call him?
 
  • #145
Is it the same word in Spanish? I'm assuming so?

tia

I would think similar in translation and yes, I have heard the same reference to the ground as 'floor'.
 
  • #146
Every once in a while an impossible story turns out to be true, something I’ve learned from following cases here over the years. Still, this one has me scratching my head.

For one thing, it takes a lot to actually knock someone out, more than a punch in the eye. There’s a difference between being stunned for a few seconds and becoming completely unconscious. I would expect to see a heck of a head wound. Of course it’s unclear whether the mom claimed to have been knocked out or if msm decided to phrase it that way for effect.

Also, why would someone start a sneak attack on a victim by saying “Hola?” Doesn’t that defeat the element of surprise? And furthermore it causes the victim to turn around and get a clear look at the perp.

As mentioned by another poster, where is the FBI? In nearly all child kidnappings a CARD team shows up. Child Abduction Rapid Deployment.

And finally, why would a stranger abduct a baby in a public place? How would they know if there were cameras or not?

So this could just be one of those odd cases that happened exactly as reported by the mom. Or else we’re missing some critical information. I suspect LE has doubts and are working hard to resolve the mother’s story, one way or another. All JMO
In her own words … give it a listen.

 
  • #147
And if they did arrive in the same vehicle, what time did the husband notice she wasn't back with the mouth guard? Did he call her? Who contacted him about his wife? Did she call him?
More good questions.

jmopinion
 
  • #148
In her own words … give it a listen.

"Before going into the store, she said she started to change the baby's diaper. She took him out of the car seat and placed him on the chair. At that moment, she said she was hit from behind and Emmanuel was taken. "Someone said, 'Hola.' I couldn't even turn, I don't remember nothing," Haro said."

So, here's this round of questions... assuming she's going stream of consciousness and literally trying to recreate events in her mind as they happened: why would someone whose goal is to kidnap your baby be to greet you ("hola")?... aren't they better off just coming up behind you silently, coshing you on the head, and running off with the baby; or am I overthinking this?

I mean, if I'm just gonna KO someone, I should think the element of surprise would benefit me; but maybe they wanted to be sure she didn't have the baby in her arms or wasn't doing something that might involve her dropping the baby, hence the greeting?... I guess it depends on whether or not her body was blocking the whole sightline to the (trunk/flatbed), so maybe they couldn't tell if the baby was partially or wholly in her arms?
 
  • #149
As a mom with 2 boys who played football for years, from age 7 to college and having a father as a high school and college football coach for my entire life... they have extra mouthguards at games/practices and I find it very doubtful that the mom would need to go to the store to pick one up at 7 pm during a game and/or practice. My boys forgot theirs all the time and I never had to go and buy one.

Just my 2 cents...
 
  • #150
I have observed over the years that when a child is actually well cared for, parents are taking them to the doctor on a regular basis and therefore have a pretty close estimate of height and weight. When a child isn't being seen by a healthcare provider regularly, the estimates are often way off.

It's a lot harder with adults, naturally, since adults don't often share their info, but usually it can be pulled from a driver's license or ID (but that doesn't account for people who lie about their weight on there, like me lol).
I don’t agree with this statement
I have a a healthy 7 month old. His last appointment was in June for his “6 month check up” when he was only 5 months. His next scheduled check up is in September, when he will be 9 months. He isn’t being weighed anywhere else, so we can only estimate his weight or weigh him on an adult scale, which can be inaccurate. Every time he has seen the doctor I have had to ask what his height and weight was. I don’t even need to mention that he extremely well cared for.
 
  • #151
Is anyone familiar with sports mouth guards that are currently in use? I remember back in the day my brother would get a new one and have to soak it in hot water, then put it in his mouth so it would mold to his teeth. Is the technology different these days?
They have some that you dont need to boil. They used to sell them for $5 at the football field where my son played. My son frequently lost or chewed through his mouth guard & I had to buy him new ones at least a few times a season.
 
  • #152
Others can chime in who know language better, but I notice Spanish speakers will refer to the "ground" as the "floor" in English.

I have Spanish-speaking neighbors who do that, and that's my source. No link. :)

jmopinion
This is mostly true, but it’s also regional slang. I’m from the area, just about 45 minutes away, but it’s all connected as an outer desert town before you hit the more urban, downtown-esq areas like San Bernardino or Riverside… people in these areas do not speak proper grammar whatsoever. We have mostly low income Hispanic and a heavy Native American presence in that particular area. It’s almost like a new slang language was created where people interchange words that don’t make a whole lot of sense grammatically, yet everyone says it. There isn’t a lot of thought for past, present or future tense. Everyone says “I didn’t see nothing” or “I seen”, so saying floor instead of ground isn’t surprising
 
  • #153
"Someone said, 'Hola.' I couldn't even turn, I don't remember nothing," Haro said."

How she get the visible black eye then? Surely she would have had to have been turned to get the hit to the face? If she had been slammed forwards and her face hit something - whilst leaning into the car as she stated - then that's quite a bullseye that just her eye hit something, not her nose, head or mouth.

Yah nah this is hinkier by the millisecond. I know here we do not victim blame and I'm not, but none of this makes any sense.

Where is poor Emmanuel 😞

ETA - Saying floor isn't unusual to me at all. Like I'm English and we say floor as a norm. You fall on the floor, you hit the floor. It's still floor if it's outside or in, wood, grass, concrete... It's all floor IMO
 
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Yeah, noooooo, I don't love this...

“I was going to get the diaper and somebody said, ‘Hola,’ and I don’t remember anything since,” Rebecca told the outlet as she appeared with a black eye. “I woke up here on the floor and I didn’t see Emmanuel.” She alleged that someone “snatched” her son out of her vehicle.

...do people usually say "here on the floor" to refer to blacktop/pavement?... I think of "floors" as "that surface underneath your feet which lives only within four walls", and can't think of a scenario where I would use it instead of "pavement"... I grant maybe if she DID get concussed, that such a confused locution might spring to mind more readily than "pavement"; but I'm also a little alarmed that even "People" is running around using scare quotes around "snatched", "kidnapped", et al.
So yes, I agree the word choice is odd. But who do I think is more likely to use the wrong word — someone making up a story, or someone who was concussed and is going through unfathomable trauma? Someone suggested maybe she was recounting an event that happened somewhere else, but that doesn’t seem more likely to me. I also know I’ll randomly forget common words for things. Probably most likely — someone being interviewed on the news for the first time. Adds to the weirdness, but not a significant detail to me.

Edit: Regional/language difference is a very likely explanation.
 
  • #156
"Someone said, 'Hola.' I couldn't even turn, I don't remember nothing," Haro said."

How she get the visible black eye then? Surely she would have had to have been turned to get the hit to the face? If she had been slammed forwards and her face hit something - whilst leaning into the car as she stated - then that's quite a bullseye that just her eye hit something, not her nose, head or mouth.

Yah nah this is hinkier by the millisecond. I know here we do not victim blame and I'm not, but none of this makes any sense.

Where is poor Emmanuel 😞

ETA - Saying floor isn't unusual to me at all. Like I'm English and we say floor as a norm. You fall on the floor, you hit the floor. It's still floor if it's outside or in, wood, grass, concrete... It's all floor IMO
I once had a black eye from hitting my face on the edge of a very skinny metal stall door that was opened at just the right angle so I couldn't see it. BUT it also left marks on my cheekbone and forehead. I was walking fast and hit it so hard I might have had a mild concussion. So while that can happen, there would be something more than just a black eye to show for it probably.

Also, a broken nose can cause a black eye.
 
  • #157
Has she said the black eye was from the event
 
  • #158
Something else, not especially important but a little curious: why did mom take a baby with her to run a quick errand instead of leaving him with his dad? Or conversely, why didn’t dad run the errand? If getting a mouth guard was important and needed quickly why spend extra minutes strapping/unstrapping a baby in his car seat and changing his diaper? JMO

Regarding the term “floor,” we had similar discussion in little Dulce Maria Alavez’ disappearance. Her mom said “floor,” meaning ground in the 911 call. Several Hispanic members explained that it wasn’t unusual phrasing. This was in New Jersey.
 
  • #159
I once had a black eye from hitting my face on the edge of a very skinny metal stall door that was opened at just the right angle so I couldn't see it. BUT it also left marks on my cheekbone and forehead. I was walking fast and hit it so hard I might have had a mild concussion. So while that can happen, there would be something more than just a black eye to show for it probably.

Also, a broken nose can cause a black eye.
I got a partial black eye when I fell and hit my temple just a glancing blow on the pavement, even with my hands breaking most of the fall, for whatever that is worth.

I didn't break my nose; I didn't break my skull; I didn't break my browbone - and/but I didn't even notice the partial black eye for a couple days, because I had to literally close my eyelid before I saw it; since as it turned out, I was not in the position of closing one eyelid in front of a mirror as a general course, while just walking around minding my own business.
 
  • #160
Has she said the black eye was from the event

I wondered the same, because that black eye looks a lot older than two days.
And how does she get hit in the eye if, by her own words, she “ didn’t even turn…”.


Edit: typo
 
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