GUILTY CA - Forrest Hayes, 51, dies of heroin OD on yacht, Santa Cruz, 23 Nov 2013

[SophieRose]

When KRON first reported that the yacht was for sale, it was said that prospective buyers would be told of the death. Better it happen on the yacht than at his home.

 

[danzn16]

I thought I read this was the first time (and last time) the Google exec and the GA club owner had tried heroin.

How would anyone except the deceased know this though?


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[SurfieTX]

Still further online scouring by police produced another remarkable twist. Tichelman had once dated Warren Ullom, the lead singer of the Atlanta band The Judies. He had been sentenced to 20 years in prison after a young woman whom he’d injected with heroin died from an overdose. Ullom had failed to summon help and had instead sought to remedy the situation by injecting her twice with cocaine. At one point, he said a former girlfriend had introduced him to heroin.

“The first time I had heroin in my veins, an 18-year-old girl put it there,” Ullom wrote. “We had been hanging out, and she asked if I was interested in trying it. I was pretty dumbstruck. If she was into it, I was into it. As much as I faked cool in those days, if a girl as alluring as her was into running across the highway, well, I was into that too.”

By her own account, Tichelman had first tried heroin when she was 16. But in a posting on a forum about “Reactions to the Judies singer Ullom’s 20-year prison sentence,” she insisted that Ullom must have been talking about another girl.

“I used to date Warren when I was 18. Apparently he even went as far as to blame me for his heroin use, which makes zero sense since we never did drugs together,” Tichelman posted on the website Casual Loafing in February 2013.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/14/the-black-widow-of-silicon-valley.html

 

[quesarita]

How would anyone except the deceased know this though?

Wouldn't the medical examiner be able to determine this, if he/she was looking for it? They would see previous injection marks, or know from a tox screen that heroin had been present in the body before the final time?

 

[LinasK]

Prostitute pleads not guilty in Google executive's death

Posted: 7:34 a.m. Wednesday, July 16, 2014
KTVU.com
SANTA CRUZ, Calif. —
A woman suspected in the drug overdose death of a Google executive pleaded not guilty Wednesday morning in a Santa Cruz courtroom.
Alix Tichelman, 26, pleaded not guilty to manslaughter, prostitution and possession of heroin charges. A judge also denied a request to reduce her bail and it remains at $1.5 million. more at link: http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/alleged-prostitute-appear-court-google-executives-/ngghB/

 

[quesarita]

""Oh my God, she killed somebody else," thought Kimberly Jones when she heard about the death of Google executive Forrest Hayes and the arrest of Alix Tichelman. "That's the girl who killed my friend."

Jones has always wondered what role Tichelman may have played in the death of her friend Riopelle. Jones says she remembers him saying, "If anything happens to me, Alix (Tichelman) did it.""

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alix-tichelman-pleads-not-guilty-in-google-execs-forrest-hayes-death/

 

[thickness]

I would imagine they're given methadone?


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I don't know if someone already answered this, as I haven't caught all the way up yet, but they are not given methadone at all. It may be different in different places, but the jail that I worked as a nurse in would treat the symptoms of withdrawal depending on how badly the person was withdrawing. For opiates, the protocol was a combination of vistaril (antihistamine works as a mild sedative/antianxiety), bentyl (antispasmodic helps with the diarrhea, cramps, etc.), and pepto. If it was needed, they could get a shot of zofran/phenergan for vomiting. Definitely no methadone or suboxone, though. There are other jails in my area that will not give them anything.

 

[Really?]

I wanted to reply to the poster who asked why do heroin with a hooker....I lol'd, right?...why would he?

 

[Ausgirl]

According to the article linked above, Hayes watched Tichelman shoot up, then consented to receiving a hit. So she was high when she gave him the shot, and he would have been well aware of that.

As to why he'd do heroin with a hooker... Idk, but it doesn't strike me as strange. A man who regularly paid women for sex and had probably booked Tichelman for the night or at least several hours, might not be too bothered about actually having sex at that point. Maybe they'd already had sex..

The story about her ex bf leaving a young woman to die of an OD just illustrates how common that action really is.

I'd take the nanny's comments with a grain of salt, too, it sounds to me like Tichelman got her fired and it's very obvious they didn't get along at all.. so IMO she may have every motive to paint Tichelman negatively to the media. It could all be true, but when there's a clear motive behind somebody's words, no matter who they are or why they're talking, I always prefer to keep that motive in mind when considering them.

And if Riopelle was so squeaky clean, why'd he have oxy's mixed with alcohol in his system (despite that he was supposedly a recovering alcoholic and dry for a couple of years)? Which is a potentially fatal blend, never mind the heroin, and I would not be surprised if that contributed to his death.

Riopelle was supposedly 'scared' of Tichelman before he died. So why's he with her, drinking and getting high? Idk, I think a lot of his friends hated Tichelman like spit, maybe in part (and aside from her charming personality, lol) because she was a bad influence on a man already struggling with an addiction, and none of them want to believe his death was in any way his own fault. And fair enough, but these questions remain, and so I tend toward thinking he was not murdered. by Tichelman. Was she *responsible* for him sliding into drug taking and drinking? Probably she was indeed not a positive influence.

Yup, the 'serial killer' angle still doesn't wash with me. Makes for a great headline, though.

 

[noZme]

I haven't followed this closely, but in an early photo or video, I saw a tattoo on the inside of her arm "Till death do us part" in heavy black letters. Angels may have devil tattoos & vice versa, but after reading LE was taking another look into Tichelman's boyfriend's death, I couldn't help but think the tat may have been a personal goal or at least a little inside secret.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I'm in complete agreement.



I assume the cameras were surveillance cameras for security and were in a non-private part of the boat. Like a living room or whatever a living room would be on a boat.

I wonder if something was posted on his yacht referencing CCTV surveillance. If not, in the state of CA, looks like it may be illegal. So if the CCTV wasn't advertised, how does that affect the taped evidence? Or won't it have an effect bc during the course of recording a death and/or murder occurred? Does one trump the other?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I haven't followed this closely, but in an early photo or video, I saw a tattoo on the inside of her arm "Till death do us part" in heavy black letters. Angels may have devil tattoos & vice versa, but after reading LE was taking another look into Tichelman's boyfriend's death, I couldn't help but think the tat may have been a personal goal or at least a little inside secret.

Hmmm, you have me thinking... I wonder if you're onto something here.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Wouldn't the medical examiner be able to determine this, if he/she was looking for it? They would see previous injection marks, or know from a tox screen that heroin had been present in the body before the final time?

Sometimes...but sometimes not. If the person dying from an overdose didn't have a history of addiction to heroin, there's a chance it won't show damage to their internal organs. If they only did it a handful of times over the course of a few years or so, it may not show any damage at all to the liver or other organs undergoing tox biopsies. Only sometimes. Heroin can be fatal, sure, but not always is it like acid that shows in the brain how many times a person's done it. It's easier for a medical examiner to decipher if a person was a heroin addict rather than an occasional user.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Pictures of the inside and outside of the yacht for sale

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...2684232/Alameda/CA/United-States#.U8Q4EMJOWM8

Boy was I off in my thinking. For some reason I thought the yacht would be more posh. When I heard CEO and Millionaire in the same sentence, this yacht definitely didn't come to mind.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/2014/07/video-boats-security-cameras-evidence-google-execs-death/

Among the amenities listed for the luxury cruiser, many of them upgrades that Hayes installed after he purchased it, are two Cummins twin diesel engines, Hunter Douglas Hi/Lo Pleaded Shades —which Tichelman allegedly closed to hide Hayes’body from passersby —and three thermal night vision cameras, which police say provided crucial evidence leading to Tichelman’s arrest.

Thermal Night Vision cameras... Can't help but wonder how many liaisons police found on those recordings.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Could there be a monetary reason behind people saying a wealthy person died of a heroin overdose after only using for the first time? I'd think so considering they had children and likewise had life insurance policies. How would a life insurance policy pay out on an addicts' death...especially a wealthy addict? Is that normal for a hefty sum to be paid out if a person has a history of addiction? I know if a person smokes cigarettes it can affect their policy payout, so I'd only think drugs & alcohol could do the same. Or no? Only wondering...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

After reading through this thread up to this post, that has been my question also. What would she gain by killing someone who was allegedly paying her $1,000/night?

My feelings regarding both the defendant and the victim are ambiguous. At the time of his death, both he and the defendant were engaged in illegal activities, and it does not appear (since there was surveillance video) that the drug was administered without his knowledge. It is not like someone slipped it into a drink and killed him. She may have realized after the fact that he was dead and that led to her inquiries regarding the consequences. Another thought is the surveillance video itself. If she had known of it aboard the yacht, would she have deliberately killed him? One would have to be completely out of their mind to do that.

The only ones who have my sympathy are his wife and children as the world now knows what the man they called husband and father was doing with his free time.



MOO

Ditto :clap:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Yes, I bet there's many men shaking in their shoes.

But is it (I am speaking generally here, re hookers) *really* all the hooker's fault, if a family is torn apart? I mean - the man is the one who goes looking for a hooker, he's the one who pays for her services, he's the one making the choice to cheat on his wife....

OHHH no, I didn't mean it like that. Of course the pain the families are feeling isn't solely bc of Tichelman. She is the one that brought the heroin to the scene & injected him...where consequently he died. So his family not only had to deal with his death of a heroin overdose but also during the course of being visited by a hooker etc. That's what I was referring to. Sorry for the late response, just seeing this.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

noZme, looking at her tatts. Hmmm... Most people that get tattoos have a meaning behind the ink on their bodies. Here's some of ACT's...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Interesting... Not saying it means anything, just that its interesting...

Til Death Do Us Part (or Till Death Do Us Part)...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Til_Death_Do_Us_Part_(U.S._TV_series)

Plot
The show is about how two people get married and how one spouse ends up involved in the murder of the other spouse. The viewers were able to guess who murdered whom. The murderer was announced at the end of each show.

Production
'Til Death Do Us Part is filmed in Canada as a co-production between Court TV and Canada's Global Television Network. The show debuted in Canada on Global on March 21, 2007, under the title Love You To Death.