Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[Satchie]

There are hundreds of pages of filings, and none of it is flattering to either side. Much of it is painfully intimate and nothing a schoolboy would want his friends to know. I'll just leave it at that. jmo

From my experience, it's not what his friends know that matters, it's the fact that his parents hate each other that matters. Also, when strangers are making sordid allegations about your mom, that has an effect on a boy, too.

 

[NCWatcher]

There are hundreds of pages of filings, and none of it is flattering to either side. Much of it is painfully intimate and nothing a schoolboy would want his friends to know. I'll just leave it at that. jmo

Well, it sounds like we are at a disadvantage so far as having a discussion goes. I don't know what HP's filings said and you can't say because of WS rules or maybe you aren't comfortable saying for other reasons (and that's fine.)

As it is, BW's mother is very likely dead in a garbage pit. There were some pretty inflammatory charges against her brought by BW's father several years ago in a custody fight. Those charges have now been made public. HP's response to those charges has not been made public. While peers are a big deal for kids of BW's age, given what he's facing, I'm not sure his peers and what they think they know are a big issue for BW right now. So I don't know that keeping her filings private helps BW. I can easily believe though neither HP nor JW has been a great parent. They both seem awfully self-centered to me (while determined to project how much they "care.")

JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

Snipped by me.

I can easily believe though neither HP nor JW has been a great parent. They both seem awfully self-centered to me (while determined to project how much they "care.")

JMO

And there you have it. jmo

 

[StarRemy8]

Well, it sounds like we are at a disadvantage so far as having a discussion goes. I don't know what HP's filings said and you can't say because of WS rules or maybe you aren't comfortable saying for other reasons (and that's fine.)

As it is, BW's mother is very likely dead in a garbage pit. There were some pretty inflammatory charges against her brought by BW's father several years ago in a custody fight. Those charges have now been made public. HP's response to those charges has not been made public. While peers are a big deal for kids of BW's age, given what he's facing, I'm not sure his peers and what they think they know are a big issue for BW right now. So I don't know that keeping her filings private helps BW. I can easily believe though neither HP nor JW has been a great parent. They both seem awfully self-centered to me (while determined to project how much they "care.")

JMO

Completely agree. I wish JWs declarations had never been made public in the media. I personally feel somewhat guilty having read them and the intimate texts exchanged as it’s not my business and now turns out has nothing to do with what happened to this pot woman.

I do feel though that if this really going to be concluded with JW having nothing to do with it and she actually is not alive that her truth she be told as well. To me the whole story and truth, even if they are two different truths, is important for BW to know (at one day at least) bc his poor mother cannot defend herself or give her side of the story from the grave.

And @CharlestonGal and @ NCWatcher are correct, they seemed to care more about themselves and getting back at each other/making each other look like the “bad guy” than using that energy to coparent best and create the best situation for their son as possible. So sad all around.

 

[Meligator]

I haven’t seen anything to indicate HP was trying to get back at JW for anything, nor have I heard anything, aside from JWs report in court records, of her being anything but a very good mother. All we know is that JW said bad things about her in divorce/custody records.

 

[Kittybunny]

Personally everything the Maserati woman has to say reminds me of pre-explaining evidence that she, or someone else, is worried that LE has found or will find. She reminds me of Leticia Stauch who had pre'splanations for why Gannon's blood was in the garage, and many others. Oh, there was blood on the floor? because Heidi fell and broke a glass, she cut herself, obviously. Maybe Heidi's body would be found with blunt force trauma to her head? Oh well she fell down and hit her head, that's why.

I do think that there are some truths in that account but I'm not really buying that Heidi accidentally overdosed, many others have pointed out a lot of the holes in that overall story.

it's unfortunate that those allegations surfaced about Heidi's Adderall use, because it makes it very easy to fall for an accidental overdose story and believe in someway that Heidi brought this whole thing upon herself. I'm not saying that overdoses don't happen, and that they're not covered up occasionally. But personally I'm not buying it. Whether it was preplanned and related to her work, or just spontaneous violence gone horribly wrong, I really don't know. But I am firmly in the foul play camp.

 

[Tmw821]

How can they not suspect "foul" play if they are searching a trash/ landfill for her body ??

I am NOT questioning YOU, yourself, Ducky--
but I am questioning LE and the fact that LE has not stated it yet--YIKES... maybe they don't want to scare off a potential suspect(s) as they haven't named any yet either.

We don't know if the garbage chute tale is true but there again, if it is, that, IMO, involves foul play also and I tend to think LE believes this is what happened or they would not be looking through the trash/landfill for her body.

Accidental OD== possibly and not necessarily foul play as to COD but shoving a dead person's body down a garbage chute IMO is foul play.

I am just trying to catch up in here and saw that LE is saying this is a "Robbery-Homicide" case now.--(which would be Foul Play )

I have not read anything yet on the "robbery" aspect of the case as I am still reading through the latest news articles and trying to catch up.

Robbery homicide has been handling this case since Oct 29. Robbery/homicide is an elite division that handles high profile cases. Also, forensic evidence can be anything from blood to CCTV.
As for why would they check the landfill if they didn't suspect foul play? If she had a mental health episode and became paranoid and felt like she was being followed, she could of crawled into the shute herself in an attempt to hide. Remember Elisa Lam from the Cecil Hotel?

 

[Keyedin]

I haven’t watched the video from Dawn, but don’t they identify Maserati woman? If that’s the case, what motivation could she have to speak to two YouTubers who are clearly going to broadcast what she says, which could potentially lead to a lot of problems for her from the parties involved, instead of going to LE, who would likely keep her information confidential?

That’s really my only hang up on this story. It does not make sense to me that someone wouldn’t report to LE, would talk to to YouTubers, and engage in a heated discussion with H+F staff in front of said YouTubers and then just move along like no big deal.

Oh, and punch one in the face.

 

[Strong1]

I understand the questions surrounding the search and whether LE is considering this a homicide or not. As far as I know LE has never used the word homicide involving this case as of yet, and as for the search, well as someone stated on here it could be as simple trying to provide closure for the family. However, the involvement of RHD does bring up questions and as in a lot of cases the the old adage of "no body no crime" may be in play here. The search very well may be under that idea. LE may be looking for the body in order to pursue a criminal case. MOO

 

[StarRemy8]

I haven’t seen anything to indicate HP was trying to get back at JW for anything, nor have I heard anything, aside from JWs report in court records, of her being anything but a very good mother. All we know is that JW said bad things about her in divorce/custody records.

Right, but if you haven’t read all the hundreds of pages of declarations, responses, texts etc you wouldn’t see it that way which I think was the point some were trying to make is that all we know is the few things pulled from one declaration JW made. They bickered a massive amount and just seemed to always try to make the other one look bad in those documents.

JW has said only nice things after she disappeared but they just seemed to care a lot more about being the right/better parent in their personal lives as opposed to in the media. He can certainly have thought she was a good mom in public and maybe did now as a lot of the info was from years ago where they seemed to try and make each other look bad. Either way her last texts to him were very different, one seemed to be thanking him and another calling him names. Divorce and coparenting is super hard no matter what.

 

[StarRemy8]

I haven’t watched the video from Dawn, but don’t they identify Maserati woman? If that’s the case, what motivation could she have to speak to two YouTubers who are clearly going to broadcast what she says, which could potentially lead to a lot of problems for her from the parties involved, instead of going to LE, who would likely keep her information confidential?

That’s really my only hang up on this story. It does not make sense to me that someone wouldn’t report to LE, would talk to to YouTubers, and engage in a heated discussion with H+F staff in front of said YouTubers and then just move along like no big deal.

Oh, and punch one in the face.

It sounds like they did name her and then called and asked them to remove that bc Dawn was scared for her life apparently. Her name is out there though.

But yes, why would she approach Heidis friend and a YouTuber, ask for help with a slashed tire when they were attempting to cover a vigil bc it was raining. And then why would Dawn oblige, not knowing this random woman would provide her this info and not only give her AAA help but then also Ms Maserati happens to also invite them up for HH and they also attend that for what reason?

Then this person happens to spill the beans of exactly what happened that night on a case that you’ve been looking into which could directly put her in trouble with LE? Then she also assaults her so not only risks her repeating the story she told her of her being an accomplice/witness to disposing of a body but then also risks getting charged for an assault? Maybe she was just drunk? Just don’t see why this lady would have any motive to implicate herself to a YouTuber?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I just use an Apple Airtag on my dog's collar. Battery lasts about 1 year, its a little bigger than a quarter, and it locates the pet using anyone's iphone in vicinity of the tag. It doesn't work well for locating a pet in a rural area or in the woods but it would work great at locating a dog in a apartment building.

JW may not have been familiar with the technology - the name or how to use the software - and that's why he didn't explain it well and took him a few days to realize its usefulness.

There are also Android equivalents of this device. They've been out for several years.

However, there certainly seems to be many parts of the story that just aren't adding up. I, too, struggle with how long it took LE to begin searching the landfill. Unless, LE is extremely overwhelmed with smash and grabs, etc??

 

[Keyedin]

I just use an Apple Airtag on my dog's collar. Battery lasts about 1 year, its a little bigger than a quarter, and it locates the pet using anyone's iphone in vicinity of the tag. It doesn't work well for locating a pet in a rural area or in the woods but it would work great at locating a dog in a apartment building.

JW may not have been familiar with the technology - the name or how to use the software - and that's why he didn't explain it well and took him a few days to realize its usefulness.

The Apple AirTag brings up another point. I’ve read multiple stories recently about women receiving random notifications on their phones about unknown devices being nearby and it turns out someone has placed an AirTag somewhere close to them. One lady found one behind her tag on her car and another found one duct-taped inside of her duffel bag.

Obviously there’s been no suggestion that that happened here, but the point about the collar just reminded me of that.

Woman finds Apple tracking tag hidden under license plate in video viewed over 9M times

 

[darring21]

The Apple AirTag brings up another point. I’ve read multiple stories recently about women receiving random notifications on their phones about unknown devices being nearby and it turns out someone has placed an AirTag somewhere close to them. One lady found one behind her tag on her car and another found one duct-taped inside of her duffel bag.

Obviously there’s been no suggestion that that happened here, but the point about the collar just reminded me of that.

Woman finds Apple tracking tag hidden under license plate in video viewed over 9M times

Yes. If you have an iphone, it will alert you to the fact that an airtag is following you around. If you have an android, I don't believe you would get any alert unless you specifically downloaded an app. They could be used to stalk someone.

 

[NCWatcher]

I just use an Apple Airtag on my dog's collar....

JW may not have been familiar with the technology - the name or how to use the software - and that's why he didn't explain it well and took him a few days to realize its usefulness.

Perhaps I don't fully understand Airtags (I'm not an I-phone user) and I do wonder why Apple doesn't recommend them for pets. Maybe it's just that they don't work well in rural areas?

Anyway, so far as I know, it's never been reported that Seven had on an Airtag. So there was nothing JW needed to understand about Airtags to find Seven. What's been reported is the dog had a microchip. And some sources have said JW said he tracked the dog using the chip which is impossible. But if he meant he tracked him using an Airtag or even a GPS pet device (GPS is unlikely IMO because the battery would have died), why did he then delay actually getting the dog back until he discovered a text on HP's phone on Oct 25 from the dog-finders? And how could they leave HP a msg from an Airtag? Or are we assuming the finders used the chip info or an old-fashioned ID from a collar tag while JW was trying to figure out new technology (while not bothering to check HP's messages for days?)

Somehow I don't think an Airtag was involved and even if it was, the story about how/when the dog was found 10-15 miles from where HP was last seen (last seen until the dog was found) still doesn't make sense to me.
JMO

 

[Satchie]

However, there certainly seems to be many parts of the story that just aren't adding up. I, too, struggle with how long it took LE to begin searching the landfill. Unless, LE is extremely overwhelmed with smash and grabs, etc??

I think searching a landfill is a last resort: what a waste of time if it turns out a victim was removed from the building by other means.

We have no idea where the forensic evidence was found, when it was collected, how long it took and how many experts it took, to analyse it and confirm the DNA was Heidi's, and that it indicated homicide.

Then, IMO, there is collecting and analysing all the other evidence, including hundreds of hours of footage from cameras, to identify a time, place of death, and potential suspects, and interview them and others, to try to trace exactly the movements of individuals who may have interfered with the remains, and where they may have taken them.

IMO, homicide detectives don't have the luxury of dreaming up theories, they have to collect actual, physical evidence, in an exacting, precise manner, not just to get search warrants, and proceed with further investigation, but in order to actually convict anyone of crimes.

JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

I haven't been able to find one MSM source that has picked up this story, other than the Sun: which calls it a 'sensational claim' (pot calling the kettle 'sensationalist' ha!).

I can't find anything MSM to corroborate these sensational (highly sensational) claims either. If even a 10th of any of this is accurate....wow. I'll keep an eye on MSM. Crazy stuff.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Kapua]

I just wanted to say this is AMAZING and thank you. It could absolutely save someone. I’m probably going to keep off the boards for a bit (or forever ha) after this post. But it is so so so true that we NEVER ever know what someone is going through or doing or using. So many parents, friends, and family say that their loved one would never do xyz. But people do, all the time. Even if they look really put together on the outside, get straight As, excel in a demanding career, etc. It is so important to look out for eachother.

This. My beautiful auntie, a truly wonderful, kind, and loving person, checked herself into rehab quite some time ago. Nobody knew she had a problem with alcohol. My mother, who is very close to her, thought she was fine. So, I could not agree more. We often do not know what someone is going through. I certainly do not know what HP was going through. And I don't judge her at all because we all have our demons and vices. Maybe she was buying Adderall from a nefarious source. Maybe not. Regardless, she was a beautiful person and a loving mother and did not deserve to be discarded like trash, if indeed that is what happened. JMHO

 

[Kapua]

I can't find anything MSM to corroborate these sensational (highly sensational) claims either. If even a 10th of any of this is accurate....wow. I'll keep an eye on MSM. Crazy stuff.

Amateur opinion and speculation

The Sun story is an exclusive, so it will not be picked up by other outlets. But I am sure that we will learn the truth eventually. MOO

 

[?!?]

The Sun story is an exclusive, so it will not be picked up by other outlets. But I am sure that we will learn the truth eventually. MOO

Sure do wish my confidence level about 'learn the truth' was as great as yours: we may learn exactly HOW she died, but I have a gnawing feeling we may never really know WHY (was it purely accidental, or 'motivated?' and by whom).

JMOO!!